Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

They're not humans, they're a cellular mass of potential human life.
Saying otherwise won't make it magically true.

Because then a father who raped his daughter could also force her to give birth.

I don't reject God, Kevn. I reject the delusion that such a thing exists.

Therefore, because of this, you believe it's okay to kill innocent humans. I understand. Thanks for making your opinion clear.

Another example of throwing the baby out with the bath water - There could *easily* be specific exceptions without throwing the entire concept out.

I don't see a fertilized egg or a fetus as an innocent human. I see it as only a potential human. I don't sentimentalize it at all. I also think that the days of seeing every potential human life as "sacred" or precious are severely numbered. We're breeding at a rate that will quickly outstrip the resources of the planet. To believe otherwise or to turn a blind eye to it is both incredibly naive and dangerous. The more options people have in managing their reproduction the longer it will be before we're arguing the merits of forced sterilization instead.

Yes, I know the old, tired argument that a fetus isn't a human, even though they have their own heart and brain. I've heard it a thousand times.

I remember a similar argument used to deny human-hood to blacks who were slaves. If we can only figure a way to dehumanize certain humans, we can abuse them at our discretion for our own benefit and convenience.

explain how.

whatever.

What does that have to do with God? You bring up God as a reason it's okay to kill fetuses of humans (OB/GYNs call them babies) because God is so bad. That was the opinion I was referring to.

Big deal. My Dentist calls my teeth "babies"..

I was commenting on the absurdity of using Christian morality as an argument against abortion since most people who are staunchly anti-abortion hold that view on religious grounds - specifically, in this country, Christian moral grounds. I find that deliciously ironic considering how immoral and murderous the Christian god is.

If your teeth grow up to be the president let me know. President Ford was an unwanted fetus, but his mother was not so selfish as to consider her few months of inconvenience to be more important than his life.

Who here is using Christian morality as an argument against abortion?

Answer the question Kevn, I'll warrant its in the thousands.

And if you think that treating those sperm wirth the same respect as a child is ridiculous, maybe you will start to see how the rest of us view your opinion on a fetus in early stages of development.

It's not a child yet Kevn.

Really, its a pity you can't get raped and fall pregnant to an abusive father Kevn, it might help you develop a credible perspective on this matter.

But you can't, and its apparent you cant even begin to empathise with a woman in that situation.

You're hilarious, Kevn.

What? Can you quote what the person said that you say suggests they are using Christian morality as an argument against abortion?

Uh, simple. In the event of parental rape, no parental permission required.

Sperm isn't even medically considered a human being at a stage of life. Until conception there is no human life.

To be a separate human, one must have her/his own DNA, different than either parents.

That would preclude either an egg or sperm being considered a human.

btw, have you read this thread? This was already discussed.

and this is proved how?

Yes i did read the thread Kevn, and i saw that you repeatedly fail to get the point, I also notice you didnt reply to my statement about your lack of empathy Kevn.

As for the part of your post i quoted, i take it when (and it will happen) humans are cloned, you won't see the clone as an independent human.
A sperm could concievably be used as genetic data to produce a clone, could it not?

How about I dig up all your intelligent design threads? *laugh*

Pity.

When the parent is in prison, the proof will be strong.

Go ahead. Find every argument I made using Christian morality as an argument against abortion.