Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

and when they are not?

WHOAAAA

Kevn denied christ 3 times on this thread (by denying his christian viewpoint is the impetus for his opinion) is this thread getting biblical or what.

Listens for sound of cock crowing......

I'll just ask you directly. Do you think abortion is a sin?

My posts were not the only concerning your point of sperm being human beings. You must have skimmed.

Back peddle to say maybe, someday, possibly, sperm might be used to clone a child. Go ahead.

No Kevn, your post to me only referred to the sperm statement, go back and read it.....
And im still wondering how you developed such a lack of empathy for women, as evinced by your stand a young girl raped by her father should carry a child to term.
Im sure Sigmund Freud would ask you at this point to "Tell me about your mother"

What I think is a sin has no bearing on this debate. It's a matter of what is reasonable. It is reasonable to assume people will defend innocent humans. I mean really, I'm sure you would defend the life of a cat from the teeth of a dog if you could, is a fetus less valuable than a cat, or a spotted owl?

Nice dodge.

If you can get a court to convict the child of rape, and make rape a capital offence, I might agree the child deserves to be ripped apart without Anaesthesia. Although I'm against capital punishment.

pretty much.

You are the one who said people are using Christian morality as an argument against abortion? It's not my fault you are wrong.

DNA testing, for example.

There you go then, I rest my case. Exhibit #1, pro-abortionists see cat as more valuable than a human fetus.

You are assuming the already traumatized little girl wants to tell anyone her father raped her.

The cat is alive. The fetus is not. I'm Pro-Life. You are not.

So you're all for forcing someone to carry a child begat of violence? A child not conceived of consenting adults, but by a man forcing himself onto a woman who did not want the sexual contact? I guess that doesn't matter, though.

You know, even women who are married get raped by their husbands, but I'm willing to bet some people around here believe the man has the right to have sex with his wife whether she wants to or not.

You have no case, you brought in a red herring. Don't you remember what those are?

If the fetus isn't alive it must be dead, in which case there is no need to kill the fetus.

It's that sort of black & white thinking that weakens your mind.

If i believed in reincarnation, I'd hope you came back as a female, and were raped by your father, and fell pregnant.
Maybe, just maybe, that would give you a reasonable perspective.
Really Kevn, theres no use in talking to you, is there, you seem to suffer from serious tunnel vision.

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Explain how it'sa red herring.

Nor mine that you think there's no connection between your views on abortion and your religion. I find it very disingenuous in the same way as pretending that ID is anything other than Creationism. Anyway, I brought it up in the first place because of your response to April's post. My comments on Christian morality as a basis for objection to abortion were meant in general and weren't aimed at you in particular, though you can't deny that the two most vocal opponents of abortion in this and the other thread are you and Kiamat who are both Christian. I see a very definite connection. It's my personal opinion. You are welcome to disagree.

I'll be a little heartless here...

I have *no* use for child mollestors. If a 13 year old girl winding up pregnant raises a few eyebrows because she wasn't willing to consult her parents, maybe thats a good thing in the long run.

Heartless, I know, but I don't have many limits when it comes to finding and locking up child mollestors.

Stop being obtuse. You know it is.

We're talking about abortions in the human race. You bring up cats, dogs, and owls. WTF does that have to do with abortion? Is that a simple enough explanation for you?

you're not getting the point.