Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

Oh good grief. Split hairs even more, why don't you? You can't just go out and say "I'm going to go get me a newborn" and have one magically appear for you to take home with you. I'm going to spell this out for you in the most simplistic of terms. I decided I'm going to yell, too, because that's how us Americans get our points across to people who do not understand English :

1) YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS SCREENING PROCESS TO LEGALLY ADOPT A NEWBORN (OR ANY OTHER CHILD) IN THE US.

2) IT TAKES A LOT MORE THAN A JUST COUPLE OF HOURS TO GET APPROVED TO ADOPT.

3) YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO GET A NEWBORN THAT IS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING PROCESS - IF YOU ARE APPROVED.

4) YOU CANNOT JUST DECIDE YOU WANT A NEWBORN AND GET IT IMMEDIATELY, SEE 1-3.

Thank you. I understand that. It doesn't change the fact there are no unwanted babies born in the USA.

BTW, my point has always been, you will have to be on a long list, and wait long to adopt a baby. When I said adopt a newborn "now", I understand it's after the screening process.

I much prefer the idea of

, m'self.

What happens to newborns that are abandoned at firehouses or hospitals or police precincts?

You said babies. There are babies that were born in the USA that are up for adoption... too bad you have to split hairs and show your true colors. If you are truly serious about adopting any newborns, please go get yourself approved to do so and get on the waiting list.

Do you know why more newborns aren't up for adoption? Because there's less stigma attached to being a single mom these days.



How long does the screening process take? The maximum wait is 2 years (and I do believe that includes the screening process).

They aren't newborns, we can kill them.

Whether I adopt or not has no bearing on what is logical.

If I don't donate to Breast Cancer research, should I not support it in debate? Can my opponent, who demands his tax money not go to women issues, demand I not be a proponent to federally funding research, simply because I don't pay for it myself?

It's a logical error to suggest a position is incorrect based on the outside actions of it's supporters.

Since you don't care about anything but newborns, then it is clearly important that abortion remain legal. If abortion were illegal many women would be forced to carry their pregnancy to term. The decision to choose adoption is not an easy one and some women would much rather try to keep their babies. However, not all women, once faced with the realities of parenthood, are able to make it work and instead turn to adoption. However, since their babies, infants or children are no longer newborns, you don't seem to care about them.

You said yourself you'd adopt if there were any newborns available. You know there's a screening process to go through. In order to get any newborn available in the US, you have to be approved. I can only conclude you were lying about adopting.

Why are you bringing up breast cancer now? Cooking up even more red herrings?

What I care about isn't the issue. If it were I'd debate it with you.

There were a few people in the middle of campus here holding a banner that alluded to a similarity between Planned Parenthood, the SS, and the KKK. With pictures too!

Joy, Show me the registration, where I will be screened and be given my newborn baby.

Breast cancer was an example, it could be any issue you care about.

edit... night

I have some of this left over if anyone else feels like doing the night feeding

That IS something you WILL have to do for yourself. Have a nice day.

Since our society doesn't care about unadopted children other than newborns, then it is clearly important that abortion remain legal. If abortion were illegal many women would be forced to carry their pregnancy to term. The decision to choose adoption is not an easy one and some women would much rather try to keep their babies. However, not all women, once faced with the realities of parenthood, are able to make it work and instead turn to adoption. However, since their children are no longer newborns, many of them will go unadopted.

Therefore, as an alternative to abortion, adoption is not a viable alterative in all cases.

The one has no bearing on the other. Your argument isn't logical. What does the fact some children end up in orphanages until 18 have to do with adoption as an alternative to abortion?

Are you saying because some children will end up unadopted at some point, the mother should abort, even though she planned to keep the child, because she may later change her mind, and place the child up for adoption?

It's not a logical deduction.

Still alive, my old friend?

Not enough bullets.

Oh good. That means that abortion isn't murder. If it's not alive then removing it from the woman isn't killing it. And that means abortion isn't murder. Simple. Glad we could agree.

This is a happy little thread.

Do you mean pro-choice?
What about fetal cats? Do pro-life people value fetal cats over human babies? I know a few pro-life people who own cats, they feed them and take care of them and they haven't even adopted an unwanted baby!

You seem to assume anything you want.

It's putting principle over opinion.

My opinion is that every potential human should be treasured and brought into this world with love. My opinion is that abortion is a horrible tragedy.

My principle is that Government Should Not Be Involved in Private Matters. Period. Government screws things up when it tries to draw lines in private matters. The less government we have interfering in our private lives the better. Government all too often leads to tyranny.

That means that some people will make decisions I don't like. That is the price of liberty.

Honestly now, how can you call anyone pro-abortionist? The remarks I made that you responded to were largely aimed at the legal language rights of children and babies and persons under legal age of Personhood. Indeed, kittens do have more rights than a fetus. It's just a fact, not a comment on what should be. The disconnect here is that you are implying that anyone you call 'pro-abortionist' has all the negative morals you ascribe to that term.

I've only ever known of two people to submit a 'kill em all' attitude (or pro-abortionist) about abortion.



I was raised in a highly religious private school where they taught that children (and I'm supposing fetuses) who died, went straight to heaven. They did not have any sins as they never possessed the free will with which to commit one.

So you are clearly saying that anyone who does not believe what YOU believe must be an agnostic or atheist. The facts contradict your opinion in the extreme.

Also, what makes you think a newborn Chinese baby needs you any less than an American one? I don't think deities discriminate based on skin tone or countries of origin, why are you?

Besides, if you DID adopt a foreign newborn, it would become American by virtue of being adopted. I guess since you don't want ones geographically located nearest you, there must indeed be unwanted newborns by simple virtue that YOU don't want them.

:::applause::::

That argument is bankrupt. Government is involved in private matters all the time. It's a private matter when a man beats his wife. I can list dozens of examples. If you really want government out of private affairs, say you want no interference in child abuse.



Liberty is limited to what society accepts. At this moment in time abortion is accepted by law. Child abuse isn't legal. Legality depends on the society.

Liberty isn't unlimited anywhere. We all have to follow certain codes of acceptable behavior. The tides are turning in the USA and abortion looks like it will be outlawed soon, at least convenience abortions will be outlawed. Hopefully when the law says abortion on demand is wrong, you will agree and stop saying it's a personal issue.