Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

My Solutions:

1. Let the babies be born. Then, if they're found to not be wanted later as children, kill 'em off.

2. Eat the Babies. Just like Veal!! Fetuses? Make Soup!!

3. Kill off the adults, leave the kids.

4. Bring back cheap child labor!!! 5 yr olds dont need as big of a mine shaft to dig coal.

1) Waste of resources... You had to feed 'em for a day or two.

2) Human flesh is unpalatably gamy for the novice, I'm given to understand

3) Adults are more useful than kids, by and large, but...

4) ... Kids with nobody to care about them are no loss of a mineshaft collapses.

I have no vote in this issue, other than to speak my mind.

My mind says: "It's easy to stand on the moral high ground when you have nothing at stake."


Things that come to mind:
- Male contreception is woefully lacking. This seems to be because men do not seem to think it's their problem. Funny enough, they seem perfectly fine telling women "What they should do."
- We have NO idea of the implications of abortion, since we cannot even define the idea of sentience. We put down animals when it becomes neccessary. Other than the potential of becomming a human, we have every indication that animals (on average) are more sentient than a fetus, or even a very young baby.
- We're humans. We, on average, have no real limit we will go to in the name of self interest. That's why we're HUMAN. We understand that WE exist. Our intelligence tells us that others are in the same boat. In fact, we have a long history of antromorpising anything that comes along. Pet's, cars, computers, you name it! Still, the moment it comes to them or us... <throat cutting gesture>.

Are these issues related to the subject. They are in my mind. But let me make my view perfectly clear: If my wife was going to die, if she had a baby, and it was known to be a reasonable chance... I love my wife. My current childern love my wife. I would tell her this, and back her up on whatever choice she made.

Abortion is not the only issue. It's the head of us not knowing anything about the background of the issue.

There are more babies than adoptive parents for them. My question is very pertinant.
Do you think Gay couples should be allowed to adopt? This is not a derailment, it's a valid question for you considering your thoughts on adoption versus abortion.

This is factually wrong.

If killing a human being at a very early point in development is okay, then the reverse should be true, ending the life of a human at a very late point should be acceptable. Imagine the pain and suffering we could end by limiting human age to 70. The health care system would not be a problem. And the Social Security problems would be solved.

This may seem far fetched, but it's not. Once people get comfortable ending a life for the convenience of others, more lives will be considered.

Handicapped and old people should definitely be concerned.

We finally agree on something, Yay! Kevn, when I get home today, I will make a contribution in your (SL) name to Dignity in Dying.

I'm very pleased that we see at least one issue in the same light, and hope that with futher support we can get euthanasia legalized around the world.

Yes, we agree. If a person is no longer of use to society, it behoves us to eliminate the dead wood.

The overpopulation issue is real, and we must protect our resources. We can either choose life by killing the old and weak, so the rest of us may live, or we will all die.

BTW, I'm not talking about a personal choice of the one being killed. I'm talking about the children of the old deciding, because it's the children who are suffering caring for the old and weak. If the old have no one who wants them, they should be exterminated, right?

/me pulls tongue from cheek

OH! you're more radical than I am. You should check out the Church of Euthanasia, which matches your opinions more specifically.

I will still make the donation though.

So then can we start offing the terminally stupid and people that have outlived their usefulness?

I established in the Prius thread you all were morally bankrupt, glad to see we can keep the ball rolling.

I have friends that have adopted once daughter from China and are now adopting another. There are children in the US available for adoption, but not everyone CAN adopt them. These are the reasons my friends adopted from China

1) My friends wife has had a kidney transpant and only has one kidney. Which makes them undesirable to some agencies
2) They don't want to adopt a baby, raise and have the bio-parents take it back after they are attached
3)They think a black child would have too hard a time fitting in their suburban neighborhood.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens to all the Chinese girls that are being raised my white people in middle america. I know my friends send their daughter to chinese school on the weekends, but I doubt all parents are that concerned about maintain the child natural cultural heritage. Also, there just seems to be something dirty about buying babies. They spent over $20,000 on the first one and are in the process of adopting/buying another one.

Well, at least there isn't anyone who is morally sound. It would suck if some people were morally bankrupt while others weren't.

Someone mentioned gay adoption. Just to reply to that, I have no problem with homosexual adoption, as long as they go through the same processes and requirements heterosexual couples do. Perhaps 2% of homosexuals are gay by choice, there has to be that level of doubt given, but I personally feel the vast majority of homosexual and bisexual folks were born that way..animals have shown it.

If a couple makes good parents, it shouldn't matter if they are Dick and Jane, Susan and Tammy, or Steve and Earl.

I've provided links that differ with you.

"Gay by choice"? What the HELL is that supposed to mean anyhow? How do you "choose" who you are attracted to?

In any event, what does it matter WHY they are gay/bi/whatever? I don't see how it matters if they did *choose* it. Does it make them bad parents? No.

So....did anyone catch that Mississippi is next in line with an anti-abortion law like South Dakota. And the Gov of Mississippi said he'd sign it even though there is no provision fr rape or incest. *sigh*

Can we start a new drama topic??This one is tiresome and I am tired of trying to derail it.

I've met a few, Rei, note the low percentage though. I have bisexual friends who have 'decided/found' later on that they 'have been lesbian/gay' all along. given their feelings at the time for the opposite sex I just nod my head and let it pass.

Notice I didn;t mention this on who made good parents..don't assume. I don't care is Susan and Tammy are two that 'found' they were lesbian after years of truly loving men.

I guess you never saw Logan's Run or even read the book. People got killed off at the age of 30 in the movie and 21 in the book. (although Michael York was in his 30's when Logan's Run was filmed).

Social Security I have an issue with..

I'm paying into it. Yet by all estimates it'll be gone before I'm old enough to get it.

Makes me want to work under the table. Its sickens me that they can't have a system where I actually see benefits..

I say take away the congress's and presidents after job pay (for the remainder of their lives) and make them use social security. It'll be fixed real fast..or we could just send all their benefits to social security..that would work too.

One baby with siblings does not equal "There are more babies than adoptive parents for them."

That one baby has siblings that must be adopted with her. That wouldn't be considered in your point "There are more babies than adoptive parents for them".

There are thousands of adoptive parents seeking any baby, just not older kids.

There is a shortage of babies as opposed to people wanting to adopt them in the USA.

if you're not going to actually read the sites I link to, I'll no longer bother.

So you still won't consider that adoption agencies probably have you black listed and won't let YOU adopt....ever. That's probably why you can't find any babies.

Think ad hom, kthxbye

There's a rather big difference between a fetus and an elderly person. The elderly person is aware. The fetus is not. The elderly person is able to make decisions for themselves. The fetus is not. However in the case of people on life support, in comas, or otherwise unable to make decisions who are bankrupting their family, I believe the family should have the right to terminate their life support... and this business of just removing feeding tubes and starving them to death is insane. Drugs should be used to humanely end their life.

I'm also all for assisted suicide for anyone who chooses it who has reached the age of consent or older. For any reason.