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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 08:30
Firstly, I will ignore your suggestion we kill all fetuses scheduled to be up for adoption to give older kids a shot at adoption. Lastly, I will ignore your point about older adoption, as it's not germane to the abortion discussion. Where do the older children come from, Kev? _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:32
Firstly, I will ignore your suggestion we kill all babies to give older kids a shot at adoption. Lastly, I will ignore your point about older adoption, as it's not germane to the abortion discussion. I'm not suggesting we kill babies. And the fact that adoption of babies causes suffering to children is germane, it's just not very palatable. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:33
Where do the older children come from, Kev? The come from families who couldn't or didn't want to care for them anymore. They were not babies up for adoption, or they would have been adopted. ( we are not talking about babies who must be adopted with older kids as a prerequisite.) |
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 08:34
Where do the older children come from? Ohh!! I KNOW! I KNOW!!! PICK ME!!!! Older children come from behind the liquor store dumpster. Free 12 pack with purchase. |
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Joy Honey
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03-01-2006 08:35
Firstly, I will ignore your suggestion we kill all fetuses scheduled to be up for adoption to give older kids a shot at adoption. Lastly, I will ignore your point about older adoption, as it's not germane to the abortion discussion. Plugging your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALALALALALALA" does not make either topic go away. Women will still seek out abortion whether it's illegal in this country or not. Children will always be up for adoption. They were fetuses once. They didn't get aborted. What's wrong with them that no one wants to adopt them? _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 08:36
The come from families who couldn't or didn't want to care for them anymore. They were not babies up for adoption, or they would have been adopted. ( we are not talking about babies who must be adopted with older kids as a prerequisite.) Were they once babies? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:37
I'm not suggesting we kill babies. And the fact that adoption of babies causes suffering to children is germane, it's just not very palatable. The adoption of older kids may suffer due to the fact babies are more sought after. If the discussion were about how to get older kids adopted you my have a point. But, since we are talking about abortion, and what ways to either end it or reduce it, that issue of older kids is not germane in any way. |
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:38
Were they once babies? Yes, but as babies they had parents. |
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:40
... Women will still seek out abortion whether it's illegal in this country or not. ....... Yes, yes, and criminals will still rob, loot and plunder, but it is no reason to make it legal. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:41
The adoption of older kids may suffer due to the fact babies ar more sought after. If the discussion were about how to get older kids adopted you my have a point. But, since we are talking about abortion, and what ways to either end it or reduce it, that issue of older kids is not germane in any way. Sure it's germane. It invalidates the abortion arguement. I don't believe you can morally hold up adoption as an alternative to abortion if in doing so you ignore the older children who are in greater need than a baby that doesn't yet exist. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 08:42
Yes, but as babies they had parents. Not all of them --probably not most of them. The fact is a great many unwanted babies (most in fact) are never adopted. There is no shortage of babies available for adoption. I think YOU mean there is a shortage of healthy white babies up for adoption. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:42
Yes, yes, and criminals will still rob, loot and plunder, but it is no reason to make it legal. A better analogy would be, "People are still going to drink beer even if you make it illegal, so why bother?". We went down that road once before, remember... _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 08:43
Yes, yes, and criminals will still rob, loot and plunder, but it is no reason to make it legal. Because you think back-alley abortions performed with a rusted coat-hanger is the way to go? _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:44
There is no shortage of babies available for adoption. I think YOU mean there is a shortage of healthy white babies up for adoption. Ok, SOMEONE provide facts one way or another on that. I've been deliberatly ignoring that question because I value my time to much to dig for facts on it. Kevn, a "Christian Coalition" website will not be accepted. Kendra, an "Abortion Clinics of America" website will not be accepted. Neutral facts, people! _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:44
Because you think back-alley abortions performed with a rusted coat-hanger is the way to go? Swanky. My closet full of rusty coathangers might bring a few bucks then. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 08:48
Ok, SOMEONE provide facts one way or another on that. I've been deliberatly ignoring that question because I value my time to much to dig for facts on it. Kevn, a "Christian Coalition" website will not be accepted. Kendra, an "Abortion Clinics of America" website will not be accepted. Neutral facts, people! Kendra posted a link in the other thread that was locked, as did a few other people. And I believe they were non-biased. Kevn just doesn't want to adopt a child that isn't newborn and perfect. We established that in the other thread. |
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 08:50
Because you think back-alley abortions performed with a rusted coat-hanger is the way to go? If KFC ever goes out of business for being mean to the chickens, they have all those sporks they could donate. |
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:56
Not all of them --probably not most of them. The fact is a great many unwanted babies (most in fact) are never adopted. There is no shortage of babies available for adoption. I think YOU mean there is a shortage of healthy white babies up for adoption. No, I mean there is a huge shortage of adoptable babies regardless of race or health. I'm saddened to see you bring race into this debate. |
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:58
Kendra posted a link in the other thread that was locked, as did a few other people. And I believe they were non-biased. Kevn just doesn't want to adopt a child that isn't newborn and perfect. We established that in the other thread. There was one link to adopt a baby, along with her siblings. That wouldn't apply. Another link was for a 2 year old who was put on the adoption list as a 2 year old. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 09:02
Ok, SOMEONE provide facts one way or another on that. I've been deliberatly ignoring that question because I value my time to much to dig for facts on it. Kevn, a "Christian Coalition" website will not be accepted. Kendra, an "Abortion Clinics of America" website will not be accepted. Neutral facts, people! That's just plain insulting, Reitsuki. I don't need to go to biased websites for facts. http://www.6d.fi/cover_story/page.2006-02-22.4318812511 _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 09:03
No, I mean there is a huge shortage of adoptable babies regardless of race or health. I'm saddened to see you bring race into this debate. I don't care if you're sad or not. It's the truth. If the truth saddens you then grow up. http://www.6d.fi/cover_story/page.2006-02-22.4318812511 _____________________
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 09:04
There was one link to adopt a baby, along with her siblings. That wouldn't apply. Another link was for a 2 year old who was put on the adoption list as a 2 year old. Yes, but those were links to a website. That you could search. For babies. It's not hard to do from a link someone put in forums. If you can figure out your power button, the keyboard and how to navigate the forums, then surely you can figure that little tiny thing out. Those links were able to be searched for BABIES needing homes, without siblings. |
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Leilany LaFollette
Not old, just older
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03-01-2006 09:04
There was one link to adopt a baby, along with her siblings. That wouldn't apply. Another link was for a 2 year old who was put on the adoption list as a 2 year old. What do you suggest we do with that 2 year old, Kevn?  _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 09:04
No, I mean there is a huge shortage of adoptable babies regardless of race or health. I'm saddened to see you bring race into this debate. Then you didn't read my link which showed that only about 10% of unwanted babys born are adopted. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 09:05
I don't care if you're sad or not. It's the truth. If the truth saddens you then grow up. http://www.6d.fi/cover_story/page.2006-02-22.4318812511 Love, we are talking about the USA, I know there are babies in China. That's where many parents go seeking babies, because there are none avaliable in the USA. |
