It has everything to do with this thread. Answer my question.
The answer is.... it has nothing at all to do with abortion.
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:21
The answer is.... it has nothing at all to do with abortion. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:25
The answer is.... it has nthing at all to do with abortion. Answer my question, or never bring up adoption in an abortion thread again. _____________________
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Taco Rubio
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03-01-2006 07:26
ooh, I'll try my hand at stating my own wild assed assumptions as facts!
If more gay couples were allowed to adopt, there would be a LOT less abortions! Wee! _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:27
ooh, I'll try my hand at stating my own wild assed assumptions as facts! If more gay couples were allowed to adopt, there would be a LOT less abortions! Wee! not to mention some incredibly fabulous nurseries. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:31
Answer my question, or never bring up adoption in an abortion thread again. Adoption is an alternative to abortion and therefore germane to the topic. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:33
Adoption is an alternative to abortion and therefore germane to the topic. Then answer my question. Should Gay Couples be allowed to adopt? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:37
Then answer my question. Should Gay Couples be allowed to adopt? It isn't germane to this topic, unless you can show there is a lack of want-to-be parents, and is needed to adopt the overflow of babies into the system. But we already know that's not the case, newborn babies are highly sought out by families seeking to adopt. So it wouldn't be an issue for this topic. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:44
It isn't germane to this topic, unless you can show there is a lack of want-to-be parents, and is needed to adopt the overflow of babies into the system. But we already know that's not the case, newborn babies are highly sought out by families seeking to adopt. So it wouldn't be an issue for this topic. Actually the reverse has been proven. There is an abundance of unwanted children in Foster Care. (Hint --The babies turn into older kids as they age) I'll take your non-answer as an indication that you don't believe that Gay Couples should be allowed to adopt. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:47
Actually the reverse has been proven. There is an abundance of unwanted children in Foster Care. (Hint --The babies turn into older kids as they age) I'll take your non-answer as an indication that you don't believe that Gay Couples should be allowed to adopt. Do you understand the difference between fostering a child and adopting a child? |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:49
Do you understand the difference between fostering a child and adopting a child? Yes. I do. As I said --there is an abundance of unwanted children in Foster Care waiting to be adopted. Do you believe Gay people should be allowed to adopt children? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:53
Yes. I do. As I said --there is an abundance of unwanted children in Foster Care waiting to be adopted. Do you believe Gay people should be allowed to adopt children? Again, as I stated before, the issue of adoption as it pertains to older children is not germane to this thread either, it's another red herring argument. If you wish, feel free to start a thread on the issue of adoption that centers on gay adoption and adoption of older kids. Adoption only pertains to the abortion debate as an alternative to abortion, in which case we are talking about the adoption of newborn babies, not older kids or gay adoption. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 07:53
KevnFact: There is a huge demand for babies
KevnFact: Older children always appear spontanteously, not as the result of unclaimed babies Undisputed fact: Older children aren't getting claimed Conclusion: Adoption of babies is counter-productive to the adoption of older kids Suggestion: Adopt older children before making new ones. Older ones need it more than non-existant new ones. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:56
Again, as I stated before, the issue of adoption as it pertains to older children is not germane to this thread either, it's another red herring argument. If you wish, feel free to start a thread on the issue of adoption that centers on gay adoption and adoption of older kids. Adoption only pertains to the abortion debate as an alternative to abortion, in which case we are talking about the adoption of newborn babies, not older kids or gay adoption. Where do you think older children come from? Or do you think babies remain babies until they are adopted? _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 07:58
Again, as I stated before, the issue of adoption as it pertains to older children is not germane to this thread either, it's another red herring argument. If you wish, feel free to start a thread on the issue of adoption that centers on gay adoption and adoption of older kids. Adoption only pertains to the abortion debate as an alternative to abortion, in which case we are talking about the adoption of newborn babies, not older kids or gay adoption. Should Gay people be allowed to adopt newborns? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 07:59
KevnFact: There is a huge demand for babies KevnFact: Older children always appear spontanteously, not as the result of unclaimed babies Undisputed fact: Older children aren't getting claimed Conclusion: Adoption of babies is counter-productive to the adoption of older kids Suggestion: Adopt older children before making new ones. Older ones need it more than non-existant new ones. The reason older children are not adopted yet in some cases has nothing to do with adoption of babies. When a baby is offered for adoption (alone, not with a family of siblings) she is always adopted. Show me the older kids who were up for adoption as a newborn, but didn't get adopted. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:00
The reason older children are not adopted yet in some cases has nothing to do with adoption of babies. When a baby is offered for adoption (alone, not with a family of siblings) she is always adopted. Does not follow. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:03
Does not follow. You mean you don't understand. The fact is, ALL babies in the USA up for adoption are either being adopted or are adopted. There are no babies left in the system to grow too old to be adopted. The older kids are there because they came into the system as an older child, not as a baby. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:06
You mean you don't understand. The fact is, ALL babies in the USA up for adoption are either being adopted or are adopted. There are no babies left in the system to grow too old to be adopted. The older kids are there because they came into the system as an older child, not as a baby. No, I mean does not follow. Non sequitor. It does not follow that because all babies are claimed, that the claiming of babies has no impact on the adoption of older children. If anything, it very much follows that the opposite *is* true. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:11
No, I mean does not follow. Non sequitor. It does not follow that because all babies are claimed, that the claiming of babies has no impact on the adoption of older children. If anything, it very much follows that the opposite *is* true. So, I gather your point is, if there were less babies up for adoption more older kids would be adopted. That may or may not be true, because parents set on adopting a baby have other outlets to find babies, even if the USA aborted rather than place for adoption. Either way, the adoption of older kids has nothing to do with abortion, or adoption of newborns as an alternative to abortion. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:14
So, I gather your point is, if there were less babies up for adoption more older kids would be adopted. That may or may not be true, because parents set on adopting a baby have other outlets to find babies, even if the USA aborted rather than place for adoption. In other words, since some people would continue to do it anyways, we shouldn't try, right? Either way, the adoption of older kids has nothing to do with abortion, or adoption of newborns as an alternative to abortion. You keep saying that. Your absolutism condems your statement, however. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-01-2006 08:17
There are no babies left in the system to grow too old to be adopted. Factually untrue. _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-01-2006 08:19
I'm sure once he finds a relevant fundie opinion from a Google search we'll be up and running. And here I thought he was trying to google a response to my question to him on the subject of parental consent. That and trying to unravel his own illogic on the father's rights question. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:22
In other words, since some people would continue to do it anyways, we shouldn't try, right? Try what? Aborting all fetuses before they can be added to the adoption list? That's the only way to try is to eliminate the babies and try to get parents to go for older kids. You keep saying that. Your absolutism condems your statement, however. It's just how things are. I'm not forcing it to be this way. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-01-2006 08:24
Try what? Aborting all fetuses before they can be added to the adoption list? The only way to try is to eliminate the babies and try to get parents to go for older kids. It's worth a shot, wouldn't you say? There are tons of kids suffering as it is. It's just how things are. I'm not forcing it to e this way. But it isn't how things are. Like I say, your absolutism condems your statement. Unless you *honestly* think that of everyone who has adopted a baby, not *one* family would have adopted an older child had they not been able to adopt a baby... Do you believe that? _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kevn Klein
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03-01-2006 08:28
It's worth a shot, wouldn't you say? There are tons of kids suffering as it is. But it isn't how things are. Like I say, your absolutism condems your statement. Unless you *honestly* think that of everyone who has adopted a baby, not *one* family would have adopted an older child had they not been able to adopt a baby... Do you believe that? Firstly, I will ignore your suggestion we kill all fetuses scheduled to be up for adoption to give older kids a shot at adoption. Lastly, I will ignore your point about older adoption, as it's not germane to the abortion discussion. |
