Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

That is another topic for a different thread.

Kendra, the prerequisites for Kevn to adopt were established in the thread that shall remain nameless: Newborn (of course with no siblings), from the US, and he doesn't want to wait 2 years to get one (althought the MAXIMUM wait on every site I went to was 2 years - I say hop to it if you are serious about adopting).

Somehow that will magically erase abortion in the US. In his utopia there is no reason for abortion.

They searched, and I told you what they found already.

See also :

http://adoptionnetwork.com/adoptiveparents/adoption-myths.shtml

Facts and Myths about adoption.

I personally find 2 year old to be a lot cuter than newborns. They can do more for themselves, you can train them to do the laundry and dishes. They are soooo adorable when they repeat the cuss word you just said. ok, or any word..because it just sounds so funny.

Newborns projectile vomit, projectile poop (I got it in my hair while changing my daughter one day....that SUCKED!), they cry and cry and eat and cry and poop and pee and eat and cry. And sleep for 2 hours max at a time.

My 2 year old just climbed on the counter to get MY Candy. See? They are so much more fun.

Get one of those kid-leashes and leash them to their bedroom.

I actually did buy a kid leash when my daughter was 18 months old and I had just had my son. She liked to just run everywhere and I was paranoid that she'd get hit by a car. It worked, she like the "freedom" it gave her and I got to keep her close by. But mannn....some people need to learn manners.

A lady yelled at me for treating my child like a dog. I wanted to bitch slap her. But instead I said, "But she eats out of the dog's food bowl at home, I thought she'd like the leash."

(we don't own a dog, just an evil furrball cat.)

The lady was just so appalled that I could say something like that. (It's obvious I don't have a problem saying rude things just to annoy people when they deserve it...proof is in the forums.) I am surprised she didn't report me for child abuse.

AMEN to that. My 2 year old makes vacuuming a sport for me (full contact vacumming!)

Mine have started "helping" when I vacuum. They both hold onto it and help me push it around. I let my daughter try it by herself one day and she did pretty good. Except she wasn't strong enough to keep it upright enough to actually suck the stuff up off the floor.

At least they aren't screaming bloody murder anymore.

Actually, I do kinda find those leashes a bit degrading and... I dunno, just sorta creepy.

She liked to wear it. It meant she didn't have to hold my hand the entire time, which is the rule otherwise. Or sit in the cart.

If her wearing the leash means she doesn't get hit by a car for running away from me in the parking lot when I am carrying a newborn, then I will let her wear the leash. I'd rather deal with the crap from busybodys than have a brain-dead or completely dead child because of that one second it took for her to run between cars and I couldnt grab her.

And it only takes one second, if that.

In my younger days I was one of those busy bodies ready to make a snide remark about the leash... Now I think they should be REQUIRED (both for the child's safety AND mine!)

Harumph you should be carrying BOTH kids and pushing a stroller, too. Some people are just LAZY

My mom had a leash for me and just look how well I turned out!!!


...what!?

Creami, you are absolutely right to do this. I've used a leash on my youngest when he was around 2-3 because he just liked to dart off. Good for you.

-Kiamat Dusk

Just to answer Kendra's question even though she wasn't asking me...

I believe that qualified, loving people should be allowed to adopt to include homosexuals.
I would prefer a couple, and yes, I'd prefer them to be heterosexual, but that's personal preference. In the end what's most important is the child's wellbeing. Will the child grow up in a loving, safe, nurturing (Conservative Republican ) household?

I've seen far too many instances of inhumane treatment of children in foster or adoptive homes.

The problem with adoption in this country is there's a return policy. Once a child is placed in a home, the biological parents should not be allowed to change their minds. I've talked to more than one person who has gone around the world to adopt a child because they know that when that child comes home they are staying home. No take backs.

Sadly, that's not so in this country so people are understandably skittish about taking in and falling in love with a child that they may have for years only to have the biological parent(s) show up and drag them away.

-Kiamat Dusk

As far as I know there is no way to reclaim your child once she has been adopted. I know foster parents can lose the child at any time, but adoptive parents are the actual (legal) parents for life.

My husband was adopted as a newborn and his biological mother was talking about wanting him back after a few months. She had that right still. I believe a certain amount of time needs to pass. I am not sure what the specifics are but mothers can and do change their minds after the baby has been placed in the adoptive home. That is why my in-laws celebrate my husband's birthday and his 'adoption birthday' which was the day it was final and the mother could no longer get him back.

He was born in Feb. and the adoption was final in that following September. Almost OCtober.

It does happen with adopted children, too.

http://www.dailyvidette.com/media/paper420/news/2005/03/19/State/Child.Services.Return.Infant.From.Utah.In.Custody.Battle-903103.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailyvidette.com

Though I disagree with you on many things, Kiamat--I didn't ask you because I do know that at least you're not a homophobe.

If you feel passionatly about protecting a women's right to choose, come to the Pro-Choice Rally this Sunday.

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I understand there are a few cases. It usually happens when there was fraud of some sort. Much like when there is fraud in a real estate transaction.

But generally speaking, unless there is some extenuating circumstances, an adoption is final.

Adoption: a legal proceeding that creates a parent-child relation between persons not related by blood; the adopted child is entitled to all privileges belonging to a natural child of the adoptive parents (including the right to inherit)

I smell fresh red herring in the oven, that's why I refuse to be derailed.

It is every individual's right to choose what happens to their body. I am not 'for abortion'. I am for choice. IMO there's usually alot better choices than abortion, though those choices are not always recognized when they present themselves.

Ah well, the world is too populated anyway. Maybe we aught to start 'body retirement' clinics too.

Say yes! to Carousel!


-Ghoti

Nuh uh. not saying yes to THAT - I'm waaaaay too old for that

Something here bothers me.. womens choice.. ok, all for it.

In cases where the mothers life is -not- in danger and its not incest or rape (unless the woman raped the man) shouldn't the father have a say too?