Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

I lack the stamina to read this whole thread, but has anyone mentioned what will certainly happen if abortion is outlawed, and what already occurs in some areas where providers are not reachable?

An underground market for RU-486. Beats the hell out of coat hangers.

Desperate people will do whatever they feel they must.

It will still suck to be poor, since blackmarket drugs are always more expensive. But then access to medical services of all kinds in this country have always been apportioned by income.

No, I'm not. Read the context. The pro-abortionists of this thread insist I hold my opinion of abortion because I am a Theist. I stated that if that is true, then they hold their views because the reverse is true, they are not theists. I was showing the faulty logic, not saying that is factually true. I believe atheists can be pro-life. And Theists can be pro-abortionists.


I don't get your point here. The reason we are talking about newborns from the USA and not china is because we are talking about US law.

Yes it's been addressed:



in other words, the women who seek illegal abortions (if abortion is made illegal) will get what they deserve.

Most people are law abiding.

Most women will not commit a felony. So, although some who ignore the law will commit the crime, hundreds of thousands a year will not, saving all those children.

We have too many children as it is.

A robber doesn't deserve to die for robbing, though it's a risk he takes.

The woman doesn't deserve to die for killing the fetus, but that's a risk she accepts. Even with legal abortion women die. It's part of the risks.

Death is even a risk with carrying a baby to term. For the mother and the baby.

The robber analogy is poor at best.

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The point is, breaking laws bring risks. When breaking a law that ends in the death of another, the risks of death to the criminal increase. Substitute robber with any criminal.

Most PEOPLE will not commit a felony, what is your point?

By the way, the person getting the abortion wasn't the person breaking the law, that would be the person PERFORMING it.

Hmmm... speeding is breaking the law. I'm trying to remember how many people I saw going the speed limit on my way to work this morning.

Lots of women commit felonies, hate to tell ya. And a desperate woman is much more likely to break a law one-time. And since the illegal drug trade is thriving in this country, not just recreationals, but un-approved cancer drugs, etc. I don't buy into your argument. It's not that difficult in any town in the U.S. to buy heroin from drug dealers who are already committing felonies. Bet it will be just as easy to buy this.

How about a bit of first-person honesty here. I'd steal or whore to feed my kid if I had no other options, and using the same logic, i'd have an illegal abortion to save my own life.

I have my priorities in order. My established life has more value than a potential human. My loved ones would agree with me.

If abortion on demand becomes illegal, it will be a felony for the mother to seek one, and a felony for the doctor to perform one.

Do you think only the trigger man gets prison time, or does the person paying the hit man deserve at least as much time in prison.

In what states? You won't get a federal law. I'm betting California will be reluctant to even make it a misdemenor.

Speeding isn't a felony or ever a criminal offense.

People don't commit felonies when there are alternatives.

You say you would steal to feed your kids, but if you could go to the food bank instead, you would probably choose that. I mean getting thrown in prison isn't going to help your children much.

So, if the mother is faced with a choice of committing a felony (having an abortion for convenience) or offering the child up for adoption, which is legal, she will most likely choose the non-felony choice.

I already made my case for why I think the father should go to prison when an abortion is performed. Let's hear a case for why you think sending doctors to prison will do anything to lower the number of unwanted pregnancies (and subsequent abortions)?

It will? Wherever do you get your "facts" or is this an opinion? I can't keep up any more.



Why are there any felons? There are alternatives to every committed felony (like not doing them).

Ahhhhh, I understand now, Kevn wants the doctors in prison, so America's fucked up healthcare system becomes even more fucked up.
Kevn is actually proposing a passive culling of Americans.

Kevn, why do you hate your homeland?

Just look as the laws already on the books, many states have made laws that will make abortion a felony as soon as Roe is overturned.

Some states this week have passed laws to make abortion a felony for both doctor and woman.

Ohhhhh I thought it was because he doesn't like women who don't happen to agree with him. That makes much more sense than the pathetic act of trying to make it seem like people who are pro-choice are all for killing girl-babies.

Any doctor who kills human beings for profit or any other reason deserves prison.

They did? Which ones? I only thought South Dakota was the only state that passed a law and made it a felony for the doctors (I don't think it's been signed yet, either)? Where is your proof again?

Meanwhile the father, unrepentant, gets off scot-free and continues to "accidentally" impregnate women willy-nilly.

You seem stuck on the convenience idea. And from a previous post, which I'm too tired to backtrack and quote, you think women with unplanned pregnancies got them cause they're lazy sluts. We can't have a rational discussion because your underlying stereotypes have little to do with real women.

You also keep talking about adoption. This argument isn't about keep a baby or give a baby up for adoption. It's about not going through 9 months of pregnancy for whatever reason.

It may be that a pregnancy could result in death or serious injury. It may be that a woman has no financial resources to support a pregnancy. It may be that she is over 40 and the odds of birth defects just got a lot higher. It may be that a women is on medication when she gets pregnant that practically guarantees birth defects, or that going off of it for 9 months is a serious risk for her. It may be that she was raped.

You can say that birth control is the answer. Yes, real sex education and freely available birth control would do a tremendous amount to cut down the number of abortions, however, birth control used properly can fail.

I have yet to see all those who claim to be pro-life stepping up to the plate to make sure that poor women are provided with affordable pre-natal care and delivery. But then I've yet to see these same folks lobby for affordable day care after the kid is here. Or food programs.

Personally, I don't believe human identity starts at conception - ensoulment if you want to argue from a religious point of view. I believe it starts at viability.

I hesitate to try and make decisions for other people based on circumstances I can't know. I believe if you take over deciding what others do, then you are responsible for the consequences. So by my beliefs, if you force a woman to have a child she doesn't want for whatever reason, then you are personally responsible for that child.

OK... I am sick of this conversation. Nothing has changed since this issue became polarized. As I said before everyone can argue until the cows come home and no one's mind will change a bit.

After 33 years of having no say in the matter, I'd say it's a karma thing.

Thanks a lot for wasting 15 minutes of my day, troll. you MADE THIS UP.

Please answer this: Where in your extensive debate history did you learn 'to support one's point MAKE UP FACTS' ?