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AJ DaSilva
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04-21-2006 17:48
From: Martin Magpie
Alright I see that assumption. How about this one:

Advertizing dollars. Or using the find feature. Where does that money go? Also into thin air?
Yup, any L$ payed to LL, whatever for, returns to the ether.
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 17:49
Alrighty then. Good talking to ya.
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 17:58
If LL were to take the L$ from; uploads, advertizing, and the find feature and use that money for dwell, stippends, and DI. They they would in fact be giving back to the economy. Money that came from the player base. It's just my opinion here, but something is better than nothing. Thowing those L$ into thin air and cutting off the players' stippend, dwell, and DI seems counter productive when the solution seems to be at hand. Of course the money would come from how much is generated by the subscriber base. Therefor would vary month to month.

Just my opinion of course.

Cat

PS: Did ya notice how it wouldn't cost LL a dime ;)
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-21-2006 17:58
From: Martin Magpie
Alrighty then. Good talking to ya.


Funny. I've said all that to you a dozen times, and you say "I am not smart enough to give you an answer" and am "spouting flawed logic".

At least I understand what the concept of infinity means.
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Surreal Farber
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04-21-2006 18:08
From: Martin Magpie
If LL were to take the L$ from; uploads, advertizing, and the find feature and use that money for dwell, stippends, and DI. They they would in fact be giving back to the economy. Money that came from the player base. It's just my opinion here, but something is better than nothing. Thowing those L$ into thin air and cutting off the players' stippend, dwell, and DI seems counter productive when the solution seems to be at hand. Of course the money would come from how much is generated by the subscriber base. Therefor would vary month to month.

Just my opinion of course.

Cat

PS: Did ya notice how it wouldn't cost LL a dime ;)


You've got it backwards. Upload fees, etc. ($L the Lindens take out of circulation) already act on the economy to try and balance stipends, etc. ($L the Lindens put into circulation). The problem is that the $L the Lindens take out doesn't balance the $L the Lindens put in, therefore, we have inflation.

You may find it useful to read a basic guide to economics. There are some good ones written for the novice. I purchased one recently to brush up on my long ago economics classes.
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AJ DaSilva
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04-21-2006 18:08
From: Martin Magpie
If LL were to take the L$ from; uploads, advertizing, and the find feature and use that money for dwell, stippends, and DI. They they would in fact be giving back to the economy. Money that came from the player base. It's just my opinion here, but something is better than nothing. Thowing those L$ into thin air and cutting off the players' stippend, dwell, and DI seems counter productive when the solution seems to be at hand. Of course the money would come from how much is generated by the subscriber base. Therefor would vary month to month.

Just my opinion of course.

Cat

PS: Did ya notice how it wouldn't cost LL a dime ;)
It'd cost the development time to implimetnt a new system, also the current system isn't costing LL anything.

It has been suggested before that the amount of money paid in stipends etc. should be linked to the amount coming in through sinks, don't know if any conclusions were reached though. I don't see the point myself.
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 20:20
From: Surreal Farber
You've got it backwards. Upload fees, etc. ($L the Lindens take out of circulation) already act on the economy to try and balance stipends, etc. ($L the Lindens put into circulation). The problem is that the $L the Lindens take out doesn't balance the $L the Lindens put in, therefore, we have inflation.

You may find it useful to read a basic guide to economics. There are some good ones written for the novice. I purchased one recently to brush up on my long ago economics classes.


Oh please there isn't anything basic about this economy. "Funny money" Where hiding it is an art form. lol. I'm trying to see if maybe there is a way not to completly remove passive income from those who least can afford to lose it.

Since you seem to think yourself a bit of an expert here. Do you have a solution that will help joe average player that does not include "its broken philip lets scrap it!"
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 20:23
From: AJ DaSilva
It'd cost the development time to implimetnt a new system, also the current system isn't costing LL anything.

It has been suggested before that the amount of money paid in stipends etc. should be linked to the amount coming in through sinks, don't know if any conclusions were reached though. I don't see the point myself.


Development time from the economist that was just hired.

Just once I would love to read some solutions in these forums instead of just shooting down the ideas and thoughts of others. Nope I'm not talking about you AJ im talking in general terms here. I'm keeping a look out for what else is broken because history shows that program will also be cut. I personaly think that is a lazy way to run a business.

Cat
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 20:24
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Funny. I've said all that to you a dozen times, and you say "I am not smart enough to give you an answer" and am "spouting flawed logic".

At least I understand what the concept of infinity means.


Thanks for the insult, mind if I report it?
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Martin Magpie
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04-21-2006 20:30
"Existing operating systems are like the castles that were owned by their respective Lords in the Middle Ages. They were the centers of power, a way to control the population and threaten the competition. Sometimes, a particular Lord would become overpowering, and he would declare himself as King. This was great for the King. And not too bad for the rest of the nobles, but in the end -- technology progressed and people started blowing holes in the sides of the castles. The castles were eventually abandoned" - David A. Smith
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Gisele Coleman
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04-21-2006 21:12
I know what you mean. I can make awesome clothes, but since I don't believe in buying/selling Lindens, I really dont have a way to make enough money to actually buy store land and have enough money for textures, models, builds, etc. We need some sort of support.
Star Sleestak
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Steppin' in Stipend
04-21-2006 23:06
Interesting tangent to this thread.

OK, if the L$ that I pay to upload textures go poof, then where do the L$ that I get in stipend come from?
AJ DaSilva
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04-22-2006 01:55
From: Martin Magpie
Development time from the economist that was just hired.
Time of the coders that everyone keeps complaining aren't fixing bugs actually.

From: Star Sleestak
Interesting tangent to this thread.

OK, if the L$ that I pay to upload textures go poof, then where do the L$ that I get in stipend come from?
They don't come from anywhere, LL just increases a number in a database.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-22-2006 06:04
From: Martin Magpie
Thanks for the insult, mind if I report it?


Go ahead. I'd be interested to know what you're reporting, though, since I didn't insult you.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-22-2006 06:05
From: Gisele Coleman
I know what you mean. I can make awesome clothes, but since I don't believe in buying/selling Lindens, I really dont have a way to make enough money to actually buy store land and have enough money for textures, models, builds, etc. We need some sort of support.


You have all the support you need. You just choose not to use it, so you want /different/ support.
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Kendra Bancroft
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04-22-2006 06:13
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You have all the support you need. You just choose not to use it, so you want /different/ support.



I order you to stop saying things I agree with. It's unsettling.
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Geepa Lazarno
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04-22-2006 08:51
The Linden$ may be virtual, but it does have uses. The fact that the Linden$ is the direct means of buying most any item or land, pay rent, etc is one facet which gives it value. The more useful people deem these services, the greater the value will be.

The other major principle which determines the Linden$ value is the volume of Linden$'s available. If this volume increases faster than the number of residents, then that will weaken the value. However, if the volume of Linden$'s goes down per capita, then they will become more scarce, and that will tend to make them more valuable.

Ever play Diablo or Diablo II? The gold there is worthless, because it is extremely easy to obtain. So much so that online trading is done through "SoJ", a rare and top level item drop.

The Linden$ may be virtual only, but it is designed to, and does act like any real currency would.
Surreal Farber
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04-22-2006 09:17
From: Martin Magpie
Oh please there isn't anything basic about this economy. "Funny money" Where hiding it is an art form. lol. I'm trying to see if maybe there is a way not to completly remove passive income from those who least can afford to lose it.

Since you seem to think yourself a bit of an expert here. Do you have a solution that will help joe average player that does not include "its broken philip lets scrap it!"


No, I fancy myself a person who has tried to answer you reasonably assuming that you really are looking for information and an exchange of ideas. I see that I was wrong.
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Martin Magpie
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04-22-2006 12:08
From: Surreal Farber
No, I fancy myself a person who has tried to answer you reasonably assuming that you really are looking for information and an exchange of ideas. I see that I was wrong.


I really wish you would stop dismissing ppl when they are not fond of your answers. Your answers were your opinion and not based on any sort of fact. I asked for facts.
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Martin Magpie
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04-22-2006 12:10
By the way it's a well known fact that LL artificially inflated the economy in the very begining. Since then they have been trying to rectify that mistake.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-22-2006 12:21
From: Martin Magpie
I really wish you would stop dismissing ppl when they are not fond of your answers. Your answers were your opinion and not based on any sort of fact. I asked for facts.


Pot, Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot. I think you two will get along nicely.

Facts have been presented for something like two pages now. Facts that are so basic and self-evident that nobody should have to point them out, yet apparently we do. You just ignore them anyways, though, for reasons nobody can figure out, then you abuse report people for saying as much.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-22-2006 12:21
From: Martin Magpie
By the way it's a well known fact that LL artificially inflated the economy in the very begining. Since then they have been trying to rectify that mistake.


... Which, miraculously, has nothing to do with what we've been discussing.
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Maxx Mackenzie
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04-22-2006 12:25
From: Martin Magpie
By the way it's a well known fact that LL artificially inflated the economy in the very begining. Since then they have been trying to rectify that mistake.


Ever heard of Area SL1?

its nowhere on the world map, its the home for Bigfoot Linden, also Yehti Linden.

There's reports that the FIC has something to do with this.

But i heard this from a friend of a friend, who's friend heard it from a reliable source.
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Martin Magpie
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04-24-2006 19:29
SL is not a game, SL will never be a game. Got it, as a matter of fact I intend to make that a well known fact. Simply before anyone else wastes their time signing up for SL, thinking it is a game.

Thanks everyone for being open minded and letting anyone elses view matter for 2 sec.
Well that's a lie isn't it.

I will be sure to also let ppl know exactly the warm welcome they will recieve if they dare to post to the SL forums.

SL IS NOT A GAME. SL will never be a game. If you want to play a game, then go play World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Ever Quest, or any number of games. They are much cheaper and acturaly have goals.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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04-24-2006 19:43
From: Maxx Mackenzie
There's reports that the FIC has something to do with this.


I've just joined the FIC following a Linden being impressed with something I built, so at the next FIC meeting I'll ask about Area SL1 and let you know what I find out. Assuming it's not secret or anything.

*polishes her shiny new FIC membership badge*


As far as the origianl post goes, yes I will stand for it. As a member of the conspiracy that controls everything it is my duty to uphold and support the official Second Life policy decisions!
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