Are we going to stand for this ?

That really does seem like a minority situation, to me. I don't think there's a large % of the population engaging in that. I could be wrong, but that seems like such a micro argument against a macro change.

Right, so they should leave dwell so you can win money off of wearing stuff you didn't make?

That's really your only reason to buy clothes?

Me thinks this is yet another "imma take my bat and go home." post.

Well, by all means then, take it off!

My wife uses sports bras. More comfort and less annoying.

And you wear bras because gravity does bad things to your shoulders by way of your chest if you don't... At least, that's the word given to me from on-high...

I do it for the kids.

And just to point out another opportunity (cuz I'm sure he's sick to death of repeating it himself), Enabran has repeatedly stated he will sponsor worthy events, and do so very generously. Successful content creators like Siggy and Enabran are offering great opportunities for people interested in hosting cool events to get off the Linden tit and get paid in a much more efficient manner than dwell ever could have.

The more self-sustaining the community is, the better.

In my travels I have encountered a healthy population of people who are willing to entertain each other for free. Anybody can reverse engineer pretty much anything they see given enough time, I've never really felt upset because people are charging more than I am willing to pay for this stuff, I just make whatever I want. Land and events are no big deal really, so many places let you build things on their land and leave it there for a day. You only need a few hours to bring some people over to your temporary build, have your fun, then stash it for later. The software can all be found for free, there are a couple freeware poser substitues and the gimp is a fine gfx program for skins and textures, the scripting wiki is free and easy to figure out. There are notecards everywhere. Creating things is hardly work, it is a great joy to show off this stuff and find people who appreciate it.

I think some of the best fun I've had in SL are in these sandbox areas and at these one-off parties thrown on borrowed land, there are plenty of people doing all sorts of fun things in SL without any money, that stash every person has can carry anything a person might want and you can just rez the stuff, have your fun, then put it away if money is too tight. So much land just sits empty most of the day, owners are quite often willing to let you visit and rez some stuff for a couple hours, then you give them items as thanks, maybe even a sentimental screenshot of your party.I find the only money sucker for me is upload fees, which are acceptable and can be circumvented with a little effort. I just make stuff and have fun for free, only doing the occasional sale just to cover upload fees, to most people $10L is nothing so it is really easy to break even.

So I disagree that ending dwell and stipends is going to stop this from being fun, its just too easy to have fun for free. Maybe less people will buy land because they wont be able to recoup their teir, but it wont stop fun events from occuring anywhere that one can rez an object. Maybe ending stipends will keep a few people from shopping, but we can still all build and reverse engineer anything we find. For the people who take their SL joy from building and sharing with friends the money changes really arent a big deal, if you are running a club it might hurt a little, but virtual hangouts are a dime a dozen, making money by just gathering people to a chat is unrealistic when anybody can fire up any other program and get a virtual hangout of equivalent satisfaction for nothing. I could go to a 3d forum for cooler gfx than SL, I could go to a message board for better music, I could go to an RL party for free + the cost of some drinks, so why should SL places make money just for attracting a few people, the only stuff that will make money now will be the stuff that can compete with the other cheap forms of entertainment, so I think that these changes will make it more fun, not less.

What's to stand for or not stand for? It's not like you're going to get out of your chair and get on the greyhound bus to LL's offices and convince them to change their mind because some person from the internet says so. If you don't like it, leave. What's the fuss?

"Last time I checked most ppl do pay a subscription to LL."

No they don't. Only premium account holders do, and they are NOT the majority.

Musuko.

Too right. We'll fucking sit! May as well be comfortable while the sky falls!

Good luck on getting an audience to pay, even with very compelling entertainment. It sounds all nice and a good solution for entertainers, however, many folks are pretty strapped for L$ as is, and seeing a price tag on an event will indeed turn many of them away.

So will good events cater to folks with L$'s and turn away those without? Definitely not the direction I'd like to see things go, but that's just me.

I remember clearly everyone saying the same thing when LL dropped most event support. And, as we've seen, it didn't work out well, either with paying events or with "better, compelling" events. It became a commercial/dwell/yard sale event spree.

Now with dwell going, what will happen? Some folks will not be effected, and some will. Some will probably even leave SL for other environments. It sure won't kill SL, and it does cater to those that are here to make and sell L$, but it DOES effect some in a negative fashion, and I can understand how they feel.

Again though, I'm not sure if backing the average SL consumer further and further into the use-Lindex corner is the smartest business move. Making a thriving world full of fun social and creative endeavors is.

But there are plenty of other MMORPG kinda things out there, and a few SL-like social programs coming out soon, so no one is forced to stay and pay. I will continue, as always, to socialize and do small events, free of charge, but I won't, and haven't made a habit of buying L$ for quite some time now, which means I will purchase far less SL fluff from content creators. Perhaps LL is right and a better balance will be reached. There's always a first time for everything...

Once again I'll quote you: what makes you think I don't pay for content ?
I don't horde and or buy and sell L$'s i spend some of what i earn here and there just like everyone else.
So once again I don't get where your coming from.
You'll be one of the people that will be hit hardest once LL really steps up and takes away something you feel isn't right.
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything.

Jillian's original point is that the money paid to LL does not garauntee access to all the content you'd like/want. The only things LL gives you access to is the world, the building tools, and the people inside.

I have talked for a long time about how people started needing to pay for all their content, including their entertainment. Sure, there will people who are focused on free content, and I have no doubt they will be popular not for their content, but because they are free.

I honestly hope some of the bigger venues start charging though. The money that can be made by charging admission could more than make up the mone lost in dwell. At the same time, I like Flip's, Siggy's, and En's ideas about sponsorship. Both models will be interesting to see in practice and I'm anxious to see if either of them play out well.

I hope though that this helps break the stigma behind charging for your entertainment. As one of SL's longest pure entertainers, it's been a very big obstacle to overcome, and I hope to see things get better as time goes on.

Some will stop buying content. Maybe they'll start making their own, maybe they'll leave. Others will do the math on that cool red outfit, realize that it costs 37 cents $USD and will buy $L.

What??? YOU should be paying ME to wear your cool red outfit! You expect me to use MY money to BUY stuff I want?!

What has Linden Labs ever done that's positive for the common player?

1) Made basic accounts free.

2) Deployed Point to Point Teleport

3) oh, and probably the most trivial... CREATED and OFFERED us the world of SecondLife


Don't be such an ingrate.

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To live is to change. When we stop changing we wither and die.

As for the OP choosing to post as an alt. Your choice, but you get to deal with the consequences. Like several of the posters, I have no respect for someone who doesn't stand behind their words. I have no way of judging if you have a hidden agenda. And if you aren't willing to take a risk to support something you believe in, then you aren't worth listening to.

I trust you still have my resume

Stop by our shop and pick out a cool red outfit. It would be Ferran's and my pleasure to GIVE you one based on all the pleasure I've had visiting your builds in the past. I still mourn the passing of Heaven.

Oh, and check out Chaos if you haven't yet. We're pretty proud of the build, especially all the underground bits. If you ever want a guided tour of the sewers, just let me know.

Where were you when I got lost for an hour?

I would just like to voice that I would pay for an enjoyable event. For instance, the Vixens Isle club, I would definately pay a cover charge for. They constantly have contests going in the evenings, and always have friendly hosts. So there are some of us who recognize the value that these places give us and are willing to contribute.

Presumably at L$5/10 minutes?

Lewis

Dammit! I try and use your point to make a sarcastic commentary on the attitude of SLers who don't think they should pay their way for things they want to own or do and you go and offer me freebies!



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This change is the beginning of the end. LL is soooo stoooopid. Thy don now nuthing. They hav no clu how to runn a bidness. No comprahention off how to git and keep custamers. There tecknicull skills are on the saim level as mi cats. This hole think is going to ecsplode in less then a weaks time.

Someone's hacked Gabe! There's like 6 sentences there! (is that a record?)