Are we going to stand for this ?

Good point. But shouldn't we the players dictate what the L$ is worth.
Shouldn't it be left to the players to sell L$'s at what ever price thewy wish to ?
The thing I'm saying is LL isn't good at economics they are going to have a devistating effect on Secondlife that in the end will not be good for anyone.
Its really strange to see so many defending a company that wants higher prices and that is what this is all about.
If you went to work and your employer said : Well we're going to stop giving you that bonus you've been receiving so we can get more bottom line profit.
What would your reaction be ?
And a micro payment system ? If you look closely its in the millions of dollars that are traded US$'s at that.

I think it was pointed out that the stipend hasn't ended.

Consider: many an argument starts along the lines of folks saying 'entertainment and eductation are content! - just as important as builds!'

I agree with that statement - through and through as I've said on another thread.

That being said.....

If I make content that is not compelling, folks don't buy it - I get no return from it.. Linden Lab doesn't throw me a few dollars because something I made was a flop.

My content must stand on it's own as a functional part of Second Life, if I am looking to get a return from that - it should go beyond my own desires for 'something cool' and into the bounds of what others find cool.

And now entertainment must also do that. If a casino or clubs only income to pay its employees was via dwell --- not saying the developers incentive - but pure daily dwell - they didn't have a very good business plan. They will have to adapt and overcome, just as others have had to do so in the past.

People making content for their own personal 'cool' more power to them! And likewise for entertainers doing it for their own 'cool'! they don't have to do anything other than do their own thing.. but for those wanting to make it a business - they will have to start treating it like a business and extend it into the bounds that others enjoy.

Adapt - Overcome.

On the subject of alt-posting.. for good or ill I always stand behind what I say, if folks agree or disagree I think hiding behind another name detracts credability.. I find it hard to believe in the words or passion of someone afraid to post as themselves, and I find it hard to believe the conviction of folks who won't own their words for good or ill. I may not agree with a poster - but at least I can respect that they beleive in a point.

I'll stand for this - I think its a step in the right direction.

Personally I think the economy issue is smoke and mirrors - an excuse to axe something they've wanted to do for some time.

The players do - and the size of the L$ pool effects that. LL is being responsible in making this attemt to balance that pool. They are not attempting to raise prices, but instead trying to prevent us from having to.
Yes, micro-payment. Paying small amounts for things in-world, then making the larger turnover on the LindeX so we're not drown in credit card and bank fees.

Because the residents do that so much better.

I celebrate the death of dwell.

Not for the economic benefits, which are manifold.

Not for end of camping chairs, which is a gift from God.


No, I celebrate the death of dwell because it is going to be the most entertaining forum drama in all of creation. Let the games continue!

Unless they kill the stipend! I'll pay L$500 a week for that entertainment!

I'll pay 1000

I'll pay MY stipend and someone ELSES to watch that bomb go off... I do beleive that new players should get some startup funds - but my guess is that won't find a way thats not easily gamed.

Dwell though - thats been gamed since it first went in, and usually its the folks that gamed it the hardest that scream the loudest.

Siggy read my posts please. I had reasons why I used an alt *sighs at repititinon
no hiding no fear here.
I was seriousely harrassed because of a past post and will not do the samething again.
Try this point I'll ask again. What difference does it make as to who i post as?
Its the same person saying the same thing.
You bring an interesting point. If it was something they did to take care of a pain in the tush then they definetly did it for the wrong reason.
The way i see things work is to encrease traffic towards your buisness.
Create and place vendors on that land.
In this case LL is taking away and not adding to content.
My point is why take what you get from traffic away?
Why not add to instead of taking away?

Well they could limit the ammount of accounts you can register to a creditcard for instance , that wont stop it from being gamed , but it will definitly slow it down.

"Effective May 15, traffic bonuses will be reduced by 50%.

Effective June 13, traffic bonuses will be eliminated."

That was enough for me, selling it all off. Have fun guys.

Again?

We need a drama exchange. Those of us willing to pay for entertainment could distribute money to those willing to provide it. Just like the rest of SL

Not really I think ppl will just quit playing SL.

What selling off? Yup. No more multi sim purchases for me. I do not wish to be involved in YOUR dhrama, so do me a favor and leave me out of your bullshit Jillian.

Had a minute to think about this as well.
Lets see now if I'm an entertaining type and my buisness is directed towards that, I shouldn't receive payment from dwell?
Its something that both benifeits me and my buisness without charging people.
Is that not a good thing ?
But alas those once again that are selling L$'s speak the loudest against the face of opposition.

LL is pushing for ppl to start charging admission to events, builds ect. That will be their answer. "Charge admission" I for one will just go to a free event. But that's me, there are idiots out there that will pay and pay and pay. As far as I'm concerned however LL continues to suck the fun out of SL. My answer, pull back my funding entirely. SL is by far the most expensive game on the market, to make matters worse is IMO a huge mistake. It will cost them subscribers, mark my words.

Cat

Firstly - to me, personally, it means everything - this is the point I made in my post. I could say a thousand things behind another account but I choose not to - and I care enough about what I say that I will own it utterly despite what others think, say, or do.
People can love me or hate me for what I say - whats important to me is that I have enough conviction to stand behind it, for good or ill.

Now to the other - Linden Lab has never really added content - not in the way you are thinking. They tried to encourage it, but the only evenhanded measure they used was abused.

Personally I don't want LL content - the stuff that grows out of SL from the userbase is far more interesting than a hoverbike, 3 bridges and a popgun.

The way I see things now working is that folks will hopefully create compelling 'entertainment' content beyond the easily rezzed tringo and camping chair. Captions is one fine example - it thrived when Dwellopers incentive was cut off.

Hell when I was running my radio show (now passed onto Taco Rubio due to demands on my RL time) I had up to 5 people on any given week asking me to run it on their land - and I dare say if I asked them to put money where their mouth was I'd have turned a profit for the station owner.

Good entertainment will thrive - poor entertainment will wither.

How will we know what is good and what is bad? Simple - anything that is popular enough won't be ALLOWED to die.

Compelling content draws people - be that a dress, a skin, a build, a gadget, or entertainment..

The smart people will embrace that and I don't think that those people making the more compelling entertainment will want for a place to work out of - in fact I see them being more in demand than ever before.

If you're an entertainer ... should not your audience pay you?

The traffic bonuses benefited you and your audience in the short term. In the long term it hurts you both. The swelling L$ pool de-values the L$, meaning to make their costs and keep any margin, folks need to raise their prices. LL has acted in an attempt to prevent that.

Keep your dhrama to yourself little boy. I don't need your bullshit today or any day for that matter. Weren't you already evicted?

I don't blame anyone for posting as an ALT on these forums. Full of a bunch of assholes.

Thats been proven in the past not to work - I agree.. Folks will have to think outside the box - but its not hard.

The best sales day I ever had at waterworks was one of the days I ran the radio show from there.

Even with a 4k leap in daily dwell that only gave me a L$20 cut from our group (of 5 people)

However my sales that day skyrocketed - people came - visited, shopped and hung out enjoying themselves.

I'll sum up my feelings here as well as I possibly can.
I play other games and yes they are much different than SL.
They function very well, and might i add they have stable economies without the company taking content away.
I am making an opinion based upon how gaming works and the economy.
SL is the single game that takes away time after time from the player without adding content. I have never seen any other MMO take so much away from a game and people defend them.
As far as SL providing entertainment. We the players provide that and LL taketh away once again.
I have played games online for 6+ years and have not ever saw a company take like LL does.
And mind you all that without ever giving back anything to the players that make it such a cool place to meet.
Once again I'll say this: If its a player driven game let the players decide how much they want to sell the L$'s for and let the player decide on how much they will pay. It'll all stabilize.

I won't blame them - I just won't beleive the conviction behind their words..