Are we going to stand for this ?

Ok dwell is ending. Stipend has ended. Now the new economy is to make the dollar stronger. that equates to what cost of L$'s higher ? yes exactly.
What are we the new people in this wonderful world (as in the players) to do till we learn a trade?
Club owners are already doing away with paying dancers. Its mainly for tips now from what I see. And yes this is an alt as we all know what I'm saying isn't and will not be well received so i choose and alt to voice my opinion. But you the people know what I'm saying is true. The only ones to come out ahead from this are the established buisnesses. I for one will say this, as i have in the past LL is a money driven company as all are and as all will be. They simply need to put a rest to taking from the common players. and do something for those who cannot afford programs to make skins, clothes and or have the education for scripting. Yes I can make clothes but thats about it for the time being. I've never been one to advocate the buying and selling of L$'s. If LL wants it bought and sold then leave it to the players (as I've been told its a player driven world) Unless there is a higher porpose in what they are doing. Seems there never was a problem with the exchange rate until LL got in on the action and some players have taken it upon themselves to create a currency of there own. What LL wants is to make way for them(LL) to get a percentage of incoming US$'s. thus making them (LL) money. Wich is the sole reason LL is in the MMO buisness. Now once more i will say this LL does nothing never has and never will do anything for the common log in social community. I'll ask this one more time and get the same responce I always have. Question what has LL ever done positive for the common player ? ...... nothing nothing at all and this new economic step shows where there interests are (Money)
Heres what needs to be done but never will. Think about this for a minute, Why do we need L$'s ? to buy a home? to look good? for showing off new toys?
I suggest this players stop spending as in buying L$'s all together.
Simply dress in what is out there (free) and lets see how the economy fairs.
Events aren't paying what they used to and don't bring in the crowds they used to.
So why do we need L$'s? Dress to impress? not me not at all never will.
Linden Labs your going to price people right out of Secondlife.
Your (LL) going in the wrong direction altogether.
Its easier as always to take away instead of adding for the common good.
This move helps nobody at all except buisnesses that are here to buy and sell L$'s.
Let that dry up and see where they go.

If you are so sure of your convictions why do you need to hide from dissent?

I was gonna reply here, but decided it'd be more fun to sit and watch. Sorry if you're serious about this and not a trolling alt, Will, but you're totally off the mark.

EDIT: Ah, that serves me right for skim reading. I'll leave my original comment anyhoo...

I simply wanted my main not involved as what i say can and will have a major difference of opinions.Not hiding just staying out of the lime light so to speak. Funny that after All I said that was the only thing you replied about.
And as far as being off the mark please show me how ?

They're a business... thats what businesses do, they're purpose is to make money. If they wanted to be nonprofit they'd open a church.



Well just as in RL.... what are we supposed to do to support ourselves until we learn a trade? Answer...... you work on learning the trade and in the meantime at least in SL you don't have to worry about starving to death.



So the job that requires the least amount of skill pays the least amount of money. Granted dancers do spend quite a bit in making themselves look good but that is still a choice.

Let me tell you something about how SL loves the "common player":

Nowhere in the Internet entertainment biz have I seen a deal as good as SL. You can, for free - totally for free - enter this world/game and start having fun. Plenty of free items to be had, lots of them very high quality. Gobs of social opportunities. The ability to sit down and make things for yourself, if you're so inclined. All costing literally nothing.

Then, if - and only if - you care to, you can hop to the LindeX and spend some money. With that L$ infusion you can partake of the things in world/game you care to buy. Services, games, avatar customization, toys, vehicles, and whatever else the gobs of tallented and skilled content makers have come up with.

Then, if you don't have the money, or simply don't care to spend it, you can go right back to not spending money. No having to cancel accounts, or pay a fee to suspend and account, nor are there consequences.

Nothing I've seen offers the consumer that kind of power over their entertainment choices. Nothing.

And an adjustment made entirely to make sure they keep those talented makers of content by ensuring reward for their efforts causes this sort of reaction? I think you may wish to re-think your position.

Well I could have pointed out that stipends hadn't ended.

Seriously, I didn't reply to the rest because I think if you're gonna argue something, and you can't put your name to it, then either you are way too fragile and in which case posting on the forums will not be good for your psyche, or you are not convinced enough yourself of your own opinion so why should I be convinced?

Alla If you read my post I did say that LL is a buisness and they are here to make money.
I have no problem with that at all. My point is this: Why do they always simply take away and never ever try adding content that is easily obtained for new and yet unskilled SL players ?
Why only cater to the L$'s value as in keeping it higher as in what they are doing now ?
LL needs to do more than just that.

Not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm simply making a statement if you agree so be it but if not so it be it as well.

It was my understanding that this money is not actually infused into the world , but transferred from players who are selling it (so the money is already in the world).
Stipend bonusses like in the past based on your rating adds money to the world.
There is a rather big difference there

But then again I could be wrong , wouldn't be the first time. Feel free to point me in the right direction if you find me to be making incorrect statements

Fade as you well know I nor you are exactly who we play so who or what i am matters not.
In all actuality its what we feel is that is most important.
If you have to know my main for anything else. What good would that do ?

You are correct. That's how it works.
That is why LL wants it to be fairly stable, to make sure folks are rewarded well for thier work.

The "infusion" is L$ is for the buyer, not the general L$ pool.

If you have to hid behind an alt your opinion probably isn't worth reading. I didn't read farther.

I don't know that at all. I stand by my opinions and consider my actions in SL the same as RL. I don't 'play' anything. My avatar is Fade Languish, my real name is Matt Pearce, and our thoughts, beliefs, loves and passions are one and the same.

Ah yes partially true. The content you speak of is funded by and made by players.
Hence what has LL done for the common player? ... again nadda.
If you think they give away these accounts for free you better look again at what the future holds.
Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees.
I've said it before I'll say it again. Just wait till LL steps on the big toes and we'll see what happens.

No, I am going to sit for this.

Understood Fade as is exactly what i am saying I as Will Liberty speak from the same heart.
But you seem to miss my point. Your name isn't the same and do you look exactly like your avie as in is it a duplicate of you in real life?
Anyhow my point coming from Will is what I feel as a real person so nuff said about avies.

What in the world are you talking about?

They do give out accounts for free. Unless you have some kind of prognostication magic to share, I don't' see that changing. And a one-time 10 USD sign up for those accounts they don't... still one heck of a deal.

So far you've said nothing to back up your call-to-arms, even backpedaled when you claimed you were not here to change minds. Why bother to post at all if you're not going to stand behind what you said?

What LL has done for you is offer you the free means to experiment.
As mentioned , you don't _have_ to pay anything should you choose not to.
You _can_ still make a lot out of the game even if you decide to pay nothing.
A suggestion would be to roam the lands for the freebie's (especially free textures) wich are literally in their thousands and make some content of your own. (with a tool that LL also provided for .... ummm oh that's right , for free)

just read what i've said. No backpedalling at all.Free accounts equates more people entering the world wich equates more L$'s sold and I can see thats all basically to there good not ours.Once LL gains full control over the L$ exchange and start charging those who buy and or sell and once the sellers are charged lets see who hollers loudest.

I have read what you've said, and I still see that as backpedaling.

Where is the evidence that LL is making any attempt to gain full control of the L$ trade? (Yeah, yeah: They gave GOM a short shrift, but that's not evidence. And several other exchanges are tooling along just fine in the face of the LindeX.) Sellers are charged now - it's how exchanges work - they have to cover their expenses at least.

I think you're building a big old straw man.

Hmmmm you actually repeated something i said. I'll stand by this point once again and see if its clarified.
Why take away dwell why not add value to the game ?
I did say a lot and some points maybe missed or misunderstood.

Actually I largely modelled my avi on me. We're both tall and skinny, we dress pretty much the same, Fade's slightly better looking (only slightly .

I simply wonder why you need to feel afraid to voice your opinion. To be honest, I found it a shame that you couldn't handle a dissenting opinion. You are no less a person because someone disagrees with you, and you are no less a person even if you turn out to be wrong. It is my deeply held belief that all people should feel free enough to speak their opinion without fear, even if that fear comes from within. Speak up proud with your head high! That's Liberty

LOL no fear here Fade.
To be totally honest as to why I used an alt. It was my ingame wifes suggestion. She knows i am strongly opinionated and ask that i post as an alt.She wanted no ill feelings towards our buisness and or us as a couple. She is a peace loving kind gentle person and asked that I do so for her.

Because the point is for SL to be a platform, not a traditional MMORPG. It's up to the users to provide content. The L$ is a micro payment system to reward those content makers.

By stabilizing the L$ (or trying to) they attempt to keep good content makers and attract new ones. That brings value to SL.

Because without content, SL is nothing more than IRC with 3D avatars.