I'm not really comfortable trying to ferret out a particular Linden as it starts to stink of harassment.
I would be satisfied with a one week in-world and in-forum ban for this Linden.
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Uma Bauhaus
Renascene
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07-26-2006 11:36
I'm not really comfortable trying to ferret out a particular Linden as it starts to stink of harassment. I would be satisfied with a one week in-world and in-forum ban for this Linden. _____________________
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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07-26-2006 11:37
Is that how you see your role? Amazing arrogance...a resmod is more like a hall monitor or an proofreader....not a cop on a power trip ready to police the SL membership, and by the way, it's "repercussions." I see my roll is to keep the peace. In that respect it is like the police. Nowhere in the description of this position or the guidelines describing it, is police style brutality permissable. Police brutality is something that unnerves me. That said, it is just an analogy, there really isn't an analogy that fits how things actualy work. Hall monitor is a much better analogy (think i'll use that in the future), but proofreader not so much. I usualy use volenteer fire or ambulance service; when describing being a ResMod (though that doesn't describe the repercussions). Hall monitor suggests children; police suggests criminals. _____________________
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
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07-26-2006 11:39
I see my roll is to keep the peace. In that respect it is like the police. Nowhere in the description of this position or the guidelines describing it, is police style brutality permissable. Police brutality is something that unnerves me. That said, it is just an analogy, there really isn't an analogy that fits how things actualy work. Hall monitor is a much better analogy (think i'll use that in the future), but proofreader not so much. I usualy use volenteer fire or ambulance service; when describing being a ResMod (though that doesn't describe the repercussions). Hall monitor suggests children; police suggests criminals. Can we stop derailing this thread please? I consider that trolling and against forum guidelines. kthxandplsdontbanme _____________________
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
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07-26-2006 11:53
The origional announcement by Cristiano was actualy pretty detailed; it gave enough information that it was replicated by other posters on the topic. What is important is that individuals were able to replicate it with the instructions. Doesn't matter if they were complete. *insert saying about good intentions and the road to hell* _____________________
Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey |
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
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07-26-2006 11:57
What is important is that individuals were able to replicate it with the instructions. Doesn't matter if they were complete. *insert saying about good intentions and the road to hell* Thanks for getting back on topic. I almost had to lock this thread for Linden review. _____________________
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game. |
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Lou Dobbs
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jul 2006
Posts: 57
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07-26-2006 11:58
What is important is that individuals were able to replicate it with the instructions. Doesn't matter if they were complete. *insert saying about good intentions and the road to hell* That's bullshit. No instructions were given on HIS THREAD. They were totally incomplete - nothing indicated that you had to go into edit mode on an attachment, do something to the attachment, and undo. THEY WERE POSTED ON OTHER THREADS CREATED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. argh! |
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Karsten Rutledge
Linux User
Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 841
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07-26-2006 12:00
Wow, that's a load of crap. All I can say is he better not be the only one suspended if that's their take on it, because someone else posted explicitly detailed instructions on how to reproduce it in another thread, and Cris didn't.
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Lou Dobbs
Registered User
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07-26-2006 12:02
Strife obviously did not read Cristianos thread.
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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07-26-2006 12:20
I think this was an instance of "damage control". When a country does damage control it falls under National Security or Marshal Law. In both instances the laws and rights of the citizens... evaporate. During such an instance, you don't want to call attention to one's self. I'm not saying this as a ResMod, but as a fellow human being. When the riot police are in the street, you don't want to be in the street.
Looking back at this (I was watching tv because my connection was down); it would have been good if there were some announcement as to the extent of what was going on. _____________________
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
Registered User
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07-26-2006 12:22
personally i think you all should be suspended so i can travel all of second life lag free for three days.. kkthanx
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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07-26-2006 12:23
Agreed. There was no information revealed and the intent was not malicious. As long as we're suspending those acting without malicious intent, how about we suspend the LL employees who let this bug slip into the code too. Yes, that was my first thought when I heard about this. coco _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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07-26-2006 12:32
So, LL begs people for solid repros, ignores all attempts to communicate them via private channels, sees it in the forum and suspends someone trying to help?
Sheesh. I'm about as pro-LL as they get, but I'll always say when I disagree... and right now, someone needs their head examined. Regards, -Flip _____________________
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
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07-26-2006 12:36
@Lou
Editing attachments was in the post. Didn't say what had to be done with them, just that they needed to be edited. The second person to respond to the thread verified the exploit in 15 min. It was also the first post on the topic. (Personaly I would have recommended a warning) _____________________
Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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07-26-2006 12:38
@Lou Editing attachments was in the post. Didn't say what had to be done with them, just that they needed to be edited. The second person to respond to the thread verified the exploit in 15 min. It was also the first post on the topic. Are you certain the person doing the verification did so on the basis of Cristiano's post, or the more detailed instructions posted earlier by somebody else? _____________________
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Lou Dobbs
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jul 2006
Posts: 57
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07-26-2006 12:47
/108/31/123243/4.html#post1166596
/108/31/123243/4.html#post1166602 /108/31/123243/4.html#post1166636 /108/31/123243/4.html#post1166638 /108/31/123243/4.html#post1166639 The post that had the detailed instructions in "1.11=Complete Disaster" were removed. Cris' was not the first post on the topic. The timestamps would show that - his post followed by 20-30 minutes. All of those posts I showed you preceeded his as did one with the full details that is how he knew how to do it. |
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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07-26-2006 12:48
Are you certain the person doing the verification did so on the basis of Cristiano's post, or the more detailed instructions posted earlier by somebody else? It's the oldest thread that was moved into LR (It was posted at 1:45 AM (EST); the other threads moved to LR didn't start till after 5AM). I've looked though both the sandbox & general for locked threads, but if there were older threads with more details; they don't exist anymore. The only ones I remember were the ones I saw when I came on in the morning. Torley Linden: Hi, I had a check on this and actually, Cristiano Midnight's thread was posted several hours after some of the now-deleted posts in this thread concerning the exploits. So it was not the oldest, as Strife later notes in this thread. While I can't comment on specific disciplinary actions, I just wanted to clarify this so there is no possible confusion about the chronology of events. _____________________
Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey |
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Lou Dobbs
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jul 2006
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07-26-2006 12:49
It's the oldest thread that was moved into LR (It was posted at 1:45 AM (EST); the other threads moved to LR didn't start till after 5AM). I've looked though both the sandbox & general for locked threads, but if there were older threads with more details; they don't exist anymore. The only ones I remember were the ones I saw when I came on in the morning. ^^ Read above. |
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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07-26-2006 12:54
Thanks Luo, I stand corrected. The oldest instructions go back to the night before at 10 PM.
I would expect if the tail had wagged the dog at 10PM then things would have been addressed 5 or 6 hours earlier. A good way to get the ball rolling on this sort of thing is to AR it. EDIT: didn't see your post before my previous post (as i also didn't see this last one till i'd already posted). EDIT2: adjusted the time for accuracy. _____________________
Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey |
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Lou Dobbs
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jul 2006
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07-26-2006 12:56
Thanks Luo, I stand corrected. The oldest instructions go back to the night before at 11 PM. I would expect if the tail had wagged the dog at 11PM then things would have been addressed 4 or 5 hours earlier. A good way to get the ball rolling on this sort of thing is to AR it. EDIT: didn't see your post before my previous post (as i also didn't see this last one till i'd already posted). It was AR'd repeatedly and the damage was already occuring. |
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Karsten Rutledge
Linux User
Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 841
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07-26-2006 13:01
Might be interesting to hear from the Lindens on how this bug was first brought to their attention. Was it the two Liaisons awake looking at ARs (I'm assuming Liaisons can see ARs?), or the forums? Or was it residents frantically IMing them to get the devs out of bed.
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Boliver Oddfellow
CEO Infinite Vision Media
Join date: 22 Sep 2005
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07-26-2006 13:09
On behalf of the IVM partners and staff we stand behind name ommited and thank he did nothing wrong!
In fact his actions comport themselves to the norm of the software industry, and I honestly think this is the case of one overzelous LL emplyee over reacting. I strongly urge LL senior mngmt to reconsider there poition with respect to name ommited and to think about what message this sends to developers community _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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07-26-2006 13:09
The real question is - what did Linden Lab expect (NAME OMITTED) to do instead? Not warn people of the damage? He should be credited for helping to prevent an even larger nightmare situation by warning sim owners, rather than punished.
As a fellow developer in Second Life, I stand with (NAME OMITTED) and urge Linden Lab to wipe clean his record and issue an apology. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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07-26-2006 13:19
In fact his actions comport themselves to the norm of the software industry, and I honestly think this is the case of one overzelous LL emplyee over reacting. I strongly urge LL senior mngmt to reconsider there poition with respect to name ommited and to think about what message this sends to developers community Oddly enough, while I believe Linden Lab made a dire public relations blunder with this embarrassing flex of disciplinary muscle, I wouldn't advocate overturning Cristiano's sentence. Allowing a mob to bully Linden Lab into reversing policy judgements is a bad precedent and I wouldn't want to see it become a common practice ("ZOMG YOU BAN ME FOR GRIEFING! MY FRIENDS PROTEST!" ![]() Rather, I would be happy if Linden Lab reviewed the policy, the interpretation of the policy, and the Linden(s) making the judgement call in Cristiano's case. Hopefully such a review would prevent future PR disasters. As somebody who has her livelihood embedded deep in the success of Second Life, I truly want to see what is best for the platform, and what I have seen here isn't it. _____________________
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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07-26-2006 13:27
The Society of Non-Developing-Cranky-Asshats would also like to officially pitch our hat into the "wtf? LAME" ring.
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Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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07-26-2006 13:28
Oddly enough, while I believe Linden Lab made a dire public relations blunder with this embarrassing flex of disciplinary muscle, I wouldn't advocate overturning Cristiano's sentence. Allowing a mob to bully Linden Lab into reversing policy judgements is a bad precedent and I wouldn't want to see it become a common practice ("ZOMG YOU BAN ME FOR GRIEFING! MY FRIENDS PROTEST!" ![]() Rather, I would be happy if Linden Lab reviewed the policy, the interpretation of the policy, and the Linden(s) making the judgement call in Cristiano's case. Hopefully such a review would prevent future PR disasters. As somebody who has her livelihood embedded deep in the success of Second Life, I truly want to see what is best for the platform, and what I have seen here isn't it. I don't see how it can hurt LL to review their policy, nor how it can hurt them to review their judgement call in Cristiano's case either one. Both were bad calls. I don't expect it to happen though. ![]() _____________________
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