[Omitted to Avoid Suspension] Suspended for 3 Days

A reversal based on an appeal where the evidence was re-examined and an error in Linden judgement was found would be fine (and I hope that happens, doubt it will). But my understanding was that Cristiano DID appeal but to no avail. I could be wrong on that, if I am I stand corrected.

Overturning a disciplinary action after an appeal has already failed in order to appease an angry crowd is what I am opposed to. This is the precedent that I feel would encourage

Well, he doubtless doesn't KNOW it has "failed," because what you hear back upon appealing a warning or suspension is . . . dead silence.

And in this case, it wouldn't be appeasing an angry crowd, in my opinion - it would be doing the right thing. Which one should be willing to do even if it looks like you might be agreeing with people you'd rather not agree with, or with "an angry crowd".

coco

I think you're wrong. I think there is a whole lot about it that needs discussing.

Hmmm. If your analogy is correct, then you have just illustrated what is wrong here.

Nope. If you're going to play the role of Linden apologist despite the magnitude of the injustice, you're going to have support your position. You stated that if [omitted] is innocent, that his punishment should not be revoked. Justify the morality of your position.

Also, I heard you mention that the sentence shouldn't be overturned as it would look as if the Lindens were giving into a vocal crowd. Is it moral to keep an innocent person jailed simply to prevent protests in the future? Justify the morality of your position.

Let me save you some time. Both positions are immoral unless in the tradition of utilitarianism, you can prove that his punishment serves the greater good. Let me save you some more time. It doesn't, ergo your position is immoral.


Sorry to be so tough on you but I suspect your financial arrangements with the Lindens have compromised your ethics. Perhaps you could find a way to have both.

~Ulrika~

How much is Prok paying you to say all that?

Maybe I've been swayed by the power of the darkside, but I'm very much starting to agree with this.

from the series of comments in this thread, i have come to believe that strife's role in the resmod program is to bring it down from the inside.

thank you, strife

I'm disappointed by your apologist stance and moral relativism. I still consider you a fine person but I have been unimpressed with this exchange.

~Ulrika~

Fair nuff!

watch out, aimee. that might be tagged as a personal attack or naming names. maybe even intolerant. you never know these days.

It's understandable that a ResMod might not want to be professional all the time and actually have an opinion on things considering that they aren't really Lindens. However, there's a huge leap between expressing thoughts of yourself as a hall monitor (as you mentioned in a previous post), which conjures up the image of a tattle tale child monitoring other bratty children, and the line you are crossing by painting the image of LL as a jackbooted state exercising the powers of martial law and choosing to unilaterally ignore its citizens’ rights to protect themselves and their fellow citizens’ interests in the face of a common threat. This is even more troublesome considering your admission a few posts later that Cristiano's post was indeed NOT the first post (and therefore, he was just trying to warn the rest of us and not contributing to the how-to of the exploit). It also paints an extremely negative, and somewhat righteous, self portrait of you as one of their cronies. Even if it’s not true, that’s the picture you have just painted for oldbies and newbies alike. As someone who makes money in SL, and who wants to see more development in it, I don’t personally like the message you are sending to people deciding if SL is something in which they would like to take an extended interest.

This post clearly crosses whatever gray line between professionality and personal opinion that ResMods are supposed to have. Considering your position as ResMod, a citizen who has to maintain a balance between personal opinion and the positive face of a professional, perhaps you should more carefully consider what you say before you say it. This post is probably the worst thing you could have posted if you intended to professionally defuse the situation, and will probably be one of the most quoted, polarizing, anti-ResMod posts for months to come. It is sincerely atrocious PR and is practically from the mouth of LL in the minds of newbies who aren’t aware of the limits of ResMod powers and responsibilities.

I agree!

U WU WU U

Agree with Aimee here. Cris' banning is/was a bad thing but LL should not allow themselves to be bullied.

Am disheartened though. Things like this put a 'blemish' on one's record with LL -- so much so that they will not allow one to become an instructor or mentor or live help if one has been suspended EVER. Not saying Cris had any plans to do so -- only that if banning is to become a regular practice around here LL might want to rethink that policy. Maybe give folks three strikes or something before being locked out of the resident help programs.

As to the banning itself I have nothing more to add that others haven't said multiple times and better.

Yes, which of course is completely contrary to the guidelines for joining, as outlinedhere:

In order to be accepted into our Volunteer Programs, you must be an active Second Life Resident and meet the following minimum requirements:

Have a desire to help your fellow Residents
Have been in-world for at least two months
Have and maintain a relatively clean Linden Rapsheet

One forum warning is still "relatively clean". The requirements are not "squeaky clean". Despite requesting clarification from THREE Lindens, not one of them is willing to accept that I was wrongly ejected from the Greeter programme, with no opportunity to appeal, no evidence of my alleged guilt, and no willingness to consider the possibility that Linden Lab are clearly wrong in their actions, following a forum warning some weeks back (which I still have no idea what I am supposed to have done).

Whilst my 'direct' approach on the forums is not necessarily everyone's preferred method of communication, it is merely how I convey my enthusiasm and concern for Second Life and the improvement thereof. The warning could simply even have been the result of a cross cultural misunderstanding, but as there is no way to appeal and the evidence 'disappeared', it appears I am powerless... as, it seems, are others, who suffer arbitrary application of loosely interpretable rules by the whim of a group of fellow residents who may well have their own prejudices and agendas, that should not affect in any way your in-game activity.

Lewis

Pass the buck springs to mind and to liken yourselves to the police roflmao u r NOTHING more than another player who is meant to regulate, NOT POLICE the forums, To much power corrupts here, i see it daily in the game and I for one will not be reporting Bugs ever again to LLs as they have shown a to heavy hand in this instance. I hope others follow suit then mayb they can rethink thier reporting policy.

Cris u have my total support

Please, if you want to justify an absolutely unjust decision at least avoid trying to feed us some plain and blatant lies.
Many of us managed to actually read the post before it was deleted, so your feeble (and i hope involuntary) attempt at information control isn't really effective. The information provided by Cristiano were absolutely generic, it was impossible to reproduce the exploit with just that. They were, in fact, just barely enough to allow creative residents to put up a placebo defence with a certain script, wich for sure avoided some to be griefed in the quite long timespan before the grid was actually brought down.
LL should have given Cristiano a medal. Shame upon them.

But not from Cristiano's posting. I remember no instructions. There were in another post entirely.

And as far as peace goes, the Lindens have made some enemies over this action, and it is going to be a *very* long time before the relationship can be repaired, if ever.

We now know how they see us, you see. And it is not very nice to feel like a piece of shit.

Now, now, Selador; the appropriate term to use here is not piece of shit but criminal which is better than children(?). Go figure.

I actually disagree on this to some extent. The residents are what make Second Life. Without us, what would Second Life be? We are clients granted not on the same caliber as their major investors, but clients none the less. Just as there are in real life society, there are prominent figures, who should, given their contributions, receive some element of special treatment (within reason). This is not to put some people completely above the law. Let me explain, before you all start jumping all over me.

I work in fundraising development where we have donors who are prominent members of the community as they donate thousands or millions of dollars, their expertise/ advisement and foster and promote many aspects of non-profit organizations. They are crucial to a non-profits existence. Some of them are completely insane and extraordinarily difficult to work with, but you have to pamper them any way you can because without them your organization would be at a loss. You wouldn't treat someone who donates $1 million dollars to your organization the same way as someone who donates $10 dollars. If they want special hand-addressed letters and invitations from the President, then you bite your tongue and do it. If you piss them off for whatever reason, you smile and apologize profusely. No matter how right you are, it is not worth losing that persons contribution just to prove a point. Given the prominence of said person, they most likely have many powerful and prominent friends and the last thing anyone wants is a large-scale withdrawl.

I've been thinking lately about what Second Life would be like without some of its more prominent residents and businesses. Every one contributes at different levels and sure sometimes it doesn't seem fair that someone gets more notoreity than someone else or that someone is perceived to be granted special treatment where others are not. It is in fact the way of the world and we are not immune here in Second Life. Sure the NWO naysayers will winge on about how this is not fair and some sort of conspiracy or whatever and that those prominent people don't deserve to be treated any differently than anyone else. From my experiences and observations, such things are fairly standard and par for the course.

Before you blast me for this at least consider it food for thought if nothing else. Its just my opinion from my experiences and observations.

Regards,
Jennyfur

Based on my experience and observations in the forums, I choose to ignore the fact that these statements are based on your experiences and will henceforth infer that you are stereotyping and generalizing and calling all non-FICers whiners and irrational complainers. I am deeply offended, and thus I would like any leather straps given you returned.

kthxbai

MM

I would say that us, regular paying players who care and contribute and build Second Life, are far more important than some venture capitalist throwing a few million dollars at Linden Lab with the sole aim of making a profit.

We are what makes the game what it is. Without us, their money wouldn't make a bit of difference, it would just be an empty wasteland with a few abandoned plywood cubes here and there.

We are what should be driving SL and it's future. We are the ones who should be involved in the planning and decisions. We are the ones who should be talking about new features. Not some external influence who probably doesn't even have an account, but happens to have lots of money.

Lewis

=P I gave them to this guy. He seems to be a bit attached to them.