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[Omitted to Avoid Suspension] Suspended for 3 Days

Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-26-2006 08:48
From: Jopsy Pendragon
In most cases it's better to live with a little known exploit for a day or two and announce it after it's been resolved.
Agreed. But did he need to be suspended. Why not just shoot him an email, thank him, and delete the thread. Why treat a well-meaning individual like a criminal (or a child)?

~Ulrika~
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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07-26-2006 08:49
10 bucks says you're all suspended tomorrow.
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Uma Bauhaus
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07-26-2006 09:30
Free Cristiano!
Starax Statosky
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07-26-2006 09:35
From: Uma Bauhaus
Free Cristiano!


While stocks last.
Jamie David
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07-26-2006 09:52
From: Suburban Culdesac
This is a scandal. The resident named in the blog post is a long-standing member who's contributed so much to SL, including a feature taken on by LL and added to the client - and this is how they repay him for reporting a problem?


I was most shocked and distressed by the action taken by the powers at be. In these times of turmoil we need all to be focused on a common goal. Making SL the best that it can be.

How many times has a bug report been sent and nothing is seen to happen? How many thousands of AR reports are filed and nothing is seen to happen?

The communication barrier that exists between those that manage and use SecondLife seems to get wider. It is worrying if someone, who has done and believes so much in SecondLife, has to resort to posting in a public forum. To shoot the messenger is frightening and will but widen the barrier more.

I hope that this was all an ugly misunderstanding and that things will be put right but with so many things it is a case of wait, see and keep ones head down.
Ultragotha Zadeh
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07-26-2006 10:17
I for one welcome our corporate overlords.

Strife Onizuka
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07-26-2006 10:41
The origional announcement by Cristiano was actualy pretty detailed; it gave enough information that it was replicated by other posters on the topic.

From personal experience: If you are going to post an exploit, talk to LL first about it. Give them a chance to respond to it and respect thier decision. If you don't give them a chance to respond before going public, thier responce cannot be accurately predicted.

The topic of Cristiano's temp-ban isn't really suitable for public discussion; though the events surrounding it I can see are of interest.
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Lou Dobbs
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07-26-2006 10:48
Aimee Weber
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07-26-2006 10:48
From: Strife Onizuka
The origional announcement by Cristiano was actualy pretty detailed; it gave enough information that it was replicated by other posters on the topic.

From personal experience: If you are going to post an exploit, talk to LL first about it. Give them a chance to respond to it and respect thier decision. If you don't give them a chance to respond before going public, thier responce cannot be accurately predicted.


I wish we had saved a copy of the original post before it was deleted.

When I linked to Cristiano's original post, I don't recall seeing enough specifics to reproduce the exploit, and I know of several people who tried it unsuccessfully based on Cris' post alone. Now that the threat is over, perhaps that thread could be resurrected? Or has it been deleted permanently?
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Lou Dobbs
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07-26-2006 10:49
Yeah, there wasn't any detailed specifics in his thread.

In the other threads about it there was.
Uma Bauhaus
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07-26-2006 10:50
From: Strife Onizuka
From personal experience: If you are going to post an exploit, talk to LL first about it. Give them a chance to respond to it and respect thier decision. If you don't give them a chance to respond before going public, thier responce cannot be accurately predicted.
If you feel that a post sent from a well-meaning resident could cause harm, edit it, lock it, and then send them a PM or email. There was absolutely no need to punish this well-meaning resident, especially when LL has recognized that his intent wasn't malicious.

It's as if moderators have been given one tool, the suspension hammer, and now everything looks like a nail to them.
Strife Onizuka
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07-26-2006 10:53
From: Aimee Weber
I wish we had saved a copy of the original post before it was deleted.

When I linked to Cristiano's original post, I don't recall seeing enough specifics to reproduce the exploit, and I know of several people who tried it unsuccessfully based on Cris' post alone. Now that the threat is over, perhaps that thread could be resurrected? Or has it been deleted permanently?


I'll ask if it can be moved back into the public view (all the threads about the exploit were moved into the Linden Review forum). I do not expect it will be resurrected though. Its not the sort of thing that happens. I'll also ask if i can quote it.
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Marcuw Schnook
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07-26-2006 10:55
Clearly a situation of shooting the poor messenger.

And again... why would I go to the preview grids if I wouldnt be able to post details about possible exploits in detail on the forum (so that others could test it too)...

This bug/exploit should have never made it to life in the first place.

So more likekely LL is to blame. Not Cristiano.

Disgusted by the way LL handled this one.
Strife Onizuka
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07-26-2006 10:58
From: Uma Bauhaus
If you feel that a post sent from a well-meaning resident could cause harm, edit it, lock it, and then send them a PM or email. There was absolutely no need to punish this well-meaning resident, especially when LL has recognized that his intent wasn't malicious.

It's as if moderators have been given one tool, the suspension hammer, and now everything looks like a nail to them.


ResMods cannot edit posts; the feature is disabled for ResMods.
ResMods do not dictate reprocusions for violations; nor do we enforce them. We have no control over them. You could say we are the police, and LL is the court; LL decides what happens when a case is brought to them.
ResMods had no involvement in this incedent; a Linden came down from on high and did the moderations.
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Uma Bauhaus
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07-26-2006 11:06
From: Strife Onizuka
ResMods had no involvement in this incedent; a Linden came down from on high and did the moderations.
While I question your repeated attempts to deflect responsibility, let me instead simply ask, who did this?

Tell us who made this decision. If you are afraid to, tell them to make a statement in the forum. I want them to justify why someone acting with good intent, who didn't provide enough information to duplicate the exploit, was suspended for a week.
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Jeremiah North
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07-26-2006 11:07
I can't judge whether what was revealed in the post by Cristiano was detailed enough to allow replicating the exploit, since that post has been removed. I can't agree that posting about the exstence of a serious bug should be help back until there's an official reply. Especially if it's an exploit currently in use and being used against folks. If there was an exploit in use at 2 AM on Saturday night of a long weekend, I would not expect developers to drive into the office to fix it, but it would be nice to know it existed even as a warning to back up work or take some basic protective measure. It's like arguing you shouldn't reveal the existence of a new computer virus until Symantec works up a a fix, because that will encourage it to spread.

If the bug is fixed, they could show the post and make the whole event transparent, which should quiet some critics and answer questions, at least.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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07-26-2006 11:09
From: Strife Onizuka
You could say we are the police, and LL is the court;
Is that how you see your role? Amazing arrogance...a resmod is more like a hall monitor or an proofreader....not a cop on a power trip ready to police the SL membership, and by the way, it's "repercussions."
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Lou Dobbs
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07-26-2006 11:10
From: Strife Onizuka
The origional announcement by Cristiano was actualy pretty detailed; it gave enough information that it was replicated by other posters on the topic.

From personal experience: If you are going to post an exploit, talk to LL first about it. Give them a chance to respond to it and respect thier decision. If you don't give them a chance to respond before going public, thier responce cannot be accurately predicted.

The topic of Cristiano's temp-ban isn't really suitable for public discussion; though the events surrounding it I can see are of interest.


You had to do a specific sequence of obscure steps to cause the item to actually be returned - the post did not contain that sequence. There is no way someone could look at that post and know how to perform the exploit. It did not give enough information to reproduce it - other posts in the forum did, not his, and he is not responsible for that.

Did you read it at ALL Strife?

People were already having their builds damaged by the time he posted - and LL had not responded yet, how long were we supposed to wait in hopes that they got their act together on a Saturday night?
Uma Bauhaus
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07-26-2006 11:16
From: katykiwi Moonflower
Is that how you see your role? Amazing arrogance...a resmod is more like a hall monitor or an proofreader....not a cop on a power trip ready to police the SL membership, and by the way, it's "repercussions."
This person often ruffles feathers by using language that emphasizes a differential in power between resmods and residents. Yet, when confronted they claim they have no power or responsibility. It's all of the power(trip) of a police officer with none of the accountability.
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Uma Bauhaus
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07-26-2006 11:18
From: Lou Dobbs
Did you read it at ALL Strife?
I don't think he read it at all. He states that there was enough information in the post to duplicate the exploit but all other accounts state the contrary.
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07-26-2006 11:21
You could make a case for watermelon as the most fun and happy fruit.

Fun? Sure. Just rub down a 10-pounder with some Coppertone, toss it into a pool along with a few kids and see what happens. Or give them each a greased mini-melon to race with across the pool.

Later, accompany dessert of watermelon with a seed-spitting competition. And who could find a happier Citrullus lanatus (that's watermelon by another name) than one that's been plugged and spiked with vodka?

The United States grows hundreds of watermelon varieties. Besides the traditional oblong picnic melons with red flesh and lots of black seeds, most markets carry round types with yellow and orange flesh and no seeds.

For a healthful summer snack (watermelon has the highest lycopene content of any fruit or vegetable and is a good source of vitamins A and C), freeze cubes of watermelon in a single layer on a baking sheet or tray.

Place the cubes in the freezer until frozen, then transfer to a zippered plastic bag and store in the freezer. The cubes also can be used to add a hint of flavor and color to a pitcher of water, tea, lemonade or limeade.

Don't stop at eating just the flesh. The rind can be turned into delicious pickles and, in some cultures, the seeds are toasted for a snack. But eating the seeds isn't as much fun as spitting them.
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07-26-2006 11:23
From: Strife Onizuka

The topic of Cristiano's temp-ban isn't really suitable for public discussion


Wrong
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Lou Dobbs
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07-26-2006 11:26
From: pandastrong Fairplay
Wrong



YOU'RE WRONG
Aimee Weber
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07-26-2006 11:30
From: Uma Bauhaus
While I question your repeated attempts to deflect responsibility, let me instead simply ask, who did this?

Tell us who made this decision. If you are afraid to, tell them to make a statement in the forum. I want them to justify why someone acting with good intent, who didn't provide enough information to duplicate the exploit, was suspended for a week.



I'm not really comfortable trying to ferret out a particular Linden as it starts to stink of harassment. A recent thread calling for Robin Linden's job, for example, is a classic example of harsh criticism targeted at somebody who I believe to be Linden Labs most valuable employee. It can actually be very hurtful and I would prefer we didn't go there.

Instead, if you disagree with Cristiano's suspension then it should suffice to let Linden Lab know that this policy will damage their public relations AND create a martyr! One resident over at Second Life Insider goes so far as to advocate pitching in money for Cristiano.

Whoever is right or wrong about the entire situation, one thing is clear: Linden Lab will not be able to quietly issue a suspension against a resident posting non-specific information about an exploit. It will become front page news. If the decision to suspend is truly a moral one, then the exposure should serve Linden Lab. If it's a misuse of their authority, then they will pay for it. Either way, they will certainly have to think about it carefully.
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07-26-2006 11:36
From: Lou Dobbs
YOU'RE WRONG


nuh uh, you are
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~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
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