[Omitted to Avoid Suspension] Suspended for 3 Days

Dear (NAME OMITTED),

Thank you for bringing to our attention this serious flaw in the opperating system of Second Life, and our appolgies for not responding through the normal course of reports in to this urgent problem in a timely manner.

Please if you can (NAME OMMITTED) do us a huge favor and not desribe how to replicate the act in a public forum for others to see and possibly cause more damage before we can fix or repair the situation. This is a TOS violation, and while we consider your post not intentionally meaning to cause more problems it surely could have. Please be advised that any future discussions with such details could be enforced with suspension.

Thank You again for bringing this serious problem to our attention,

(blah blah blah signed by a Linden here)

its a thank you and a nice warning wrapped up in a package that doesnt cause someone to feel like theyve been dogged for trying to do a good deed, even tho perhaps it was more detailed than it needed to have been...

I think that what you are saying is a slippery slope, and really not an accurate representation of what's going on. When the public has a legitimate reason for why a disciplinary action should be reversed, I believe they should be vocal.

While enforcing a bad decision may keep from setting a precedent of "oh, the public got this decision reversed", it at the same time weakens the whole disciplinary system by showing it as flawed. That I think would do much more harm to it than having future instances of people asking to reverse a decision --- something we have had anyway in the past.

This has nothing to do with griefing - this is about someone warning about a bug and being banned for it.

Bingo.

(but as Hiro mentioned, Cristiano did not provide information as to how to replicate the bug)

He did not do this. Your statements misrepresent what went on.

(NAME OMITTED) simply alerted people that there was a bug, and did not tell people the procedure. (which is a bit obscure and multi-stepped, if you have learned of it)

Not bingo. (NAME OMITTED) never explained how.

Lately (name omitted) has been(rightfully) very vocal into criticizing the woes of the latest patches, LL found a way to get back at him, and so they did.

Bingo that the proper action would have been a "Thank You" letter.

I have already stated on numerous occasions and in numerous places that Cristiano didn't explain "how-to"

I would suggest that those who warrant justified sanctions for forum misconduct are acting like children, and I shudder to think that a RESMOD would assign criminal status to SL members who post on the forums!

All I can do is shake my head in disbeleif. LL did the wrong thing here, I think that is obvious.



I had all of my objects from two properties returned to me by griefers using this exploit. They returned nearly everything from both locations. I would have been pissed if someone knew about this and DIDN'T post it.

If it stands for anything, I was right there when Cris pulled off the exploit, and a friend and myself tried for over an hour to replicate it based on his forum post about it. I had to pull up the older post about it that was buried in another forum thread to even get close, and even then the more explanitory post didn't include one factor that was still needed to perform the exploit.

As far as I could tell - and trust me, I looked - no one person posted the entire procedure in its entirety. And given the somewhat hit and miss track record on catching bugs like this, I have little doubt that Cris' heart was in the right place by warning people the exploit was out there. If it was a situation where someone posted the exploit procedure in its entirety with malicious intent, I would be 100% behind the suspension...but its not.

I'm just reading up on this, would this be why the Iraqi War Memorial was returned completely to me about a week or so ago ?

Funny you should say this. Cristiano, myself, the folks over at Tyrell, Neph, and a few others knew about this exploit and we all took defensive measures to protect our assets.

Now, if this bug did NOT become public knowlege, you have to imagine the scenario that ran through our minds. The aforementioned griefers would have continued their rampage with only a handful of commonly accused "FIC" sims shutting down for unknown reasons ("Midnight City closed for..ummm redecorating! Gibson closed for... street cleaning! Yeah that's the ticket".

It wouldn't take long before the usual suspects reached the conclusion that Linden Lab informed the FIC of this bug (rather than the other way around) allowing them exclusive opportunity to protect themselves.

Gotcha, yeah, totally.

Or as Bub says, "Totarry".

I am still wondering when Linden Lab will stop looking at people with SL businesses as the standard "customer" or "resident", and start looking at them as "business partners" which they really are.

Like, think about how much value Snapzilla adds to Second Life.

Not that, you know, I picked Snapzilla for any particular reason.

Cristiano is still suspended? This is bullshit!

This boggles my mind. I can't think of a single reason why you'd say this, aside from the fact that LL is buttering your bread. Would you similarly advocate that a person sent to prison for a crime that has been proven they didn't commit, remain in prison? If you found out that your child didn't steal a dollar from their sibling would you still leave them grounded for a week?

Justify yourself in reply and discuss whether or not your financial self interest is skewing your ethics.

~Ulrika~

i would like to know why i have not been invited to this group??? what? am i to tall? *miff*

ohh and BTW
I AGREEEEEEE!

Ok to me this seems like an equal treatment banning, basically all the people that did report how to recreate the bug and name omitted got hit with the same punishment straight down the line, sounds to me like a case of wrong place, wrong time.

If LL did reverse their decision, they would have to for every person that told how to recreate the bug, as they had "good intentions"

What LL can do is stop killing flys with a cannon, but in the corperate world, why buy 20 flyswatters, when you can get 1 cannon and take out all them at once. Who cares what else gets hit, not their problem.

As for AR reports, I have NEVER, EVER gotten anything more then an automated responce from LL about bug reports. I mean I actually took the time, AR'd a problem then tracked down a linden that was part of the bug hunting group, told him the problem, a week later he stopped answering IMs. I never got a straight answer as to what was going on, just the normal call your ISP, oh redo your network settings.

If LL really want some positive support and want people to jump through their hoops to get problems fixed, start telling us we did the right thing and maybe now and then actually have a dev type out an email that says they found what the problem is. Does it really take more then 10 seconds for a dev to take a AR report, write down of the name who sent it and type 6 words on an email, "we found the problem you reported". Hell that alone, those 6 words would have stopped all these people from posting to the forums.

Me, too!

Pfft, LL, you really fucked it up this time. Good going.

This is the letter i would have sent out to all the ones on the forum that discussed any part of how to do it, and i was reading real time, there were some that did. Not saying that Name Omitted is Chistino, but if he wasnt one of them that put out instructions on how to, no he deff did not deserve what happened to him. But then LL has been known, and ive had it personally happen to me, pick on who they dont appreciate "telling it like it is" on the forums...and i can tell you they will not reverse their decision, but tell him the entire suspension, that they are "looking into it" then by that time the suspensions over, and hope it all gets swept under the rug. The only thing that kept me from being more vocal over my problem, was a sincere apology from one of their customer service ppl, that i wont mention his/her name, theyd prolly fire em...

Some were suspended for a week, others for three days.

Realistically? As long as the suspended resident isn't someone who's at least a close acquaintance of people able to influence what gets on 'front page news', few will ever find out, and even less will care.

Case in point: in this very situation there's been 3 suspensions issued for 'discussing exploit' according to police blotter. Only one of them got actually blogged about and is subject of this discussion; the other two went pretty much unmentioned.

I would but you know. Buttered bread etc.

I was wondering if that was the real reason he was suspended myself. I agree, however, that LL blew it big time this time. They should have been thanking 'X' rather than punishing him. At the least LL should remove the ban/suspension, and make a public apology.

would it be fair to call resmods pigs, then?

Well, supposedly there is an appeal process. Supposedly they are willing to listen to reason and overturn incorrect decisions.

One would think they would do this with just a reasoned hearing from the person involved. And surely it wouldn't be amiss to consider that bunches of people are agreeing.

Otherwise you might as well not have an appeals system. And you might as well say, "Never overturn a decision, lest we give that person the idea he can run things."

That would be as easy a conclusion, regarding an individual appealing his punishment, as to say, "Especially never overturn a decision if dozens of other residents agree with that person."

So I believe you've just given an argument for never hearing any appeals at all.

coco