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Ananda Sandgrain
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03-26-2006 21:54
From: bella Ophelia I'm asking that the Lindens simply add a rule against using images of children as sexual objects. Where am I suggesting locking anyone up?
I don't care if I'm upset, I care that some man is raping a child on SL and then later in his daughter's bedroom. You are linking things together without the slightest differentiation between one act and another. I have never seen an actual roleplay of child sex in SL, and from your description, neither have you. If you do see it, I'm sure that it would fall under the Lindens' "broadly offensive" category and they would act on it. Nothing they, or we, could do here though, would do anything about your hypothetical RL act of child rape. Don't victimize people for something they have only thought of, or it will never end until 1984 is real. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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03-26-2006 21:55
From: bella Ophelia Every person can't take up every cause... I have mine, you choose yours. You're the one suggesting taking up a cause, sweetie. Not me. |
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Zepp Zaftig
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Join date: 20 Mar 2005
Posts: 470
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03-26-2006 21:55
From: Kendra Bancroft Some psychologists feel that the objectification of women leads to rape.
Maybe we should ban all women AVs who don't wear burkas? Next generation SL avatars.  |
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Elspeth Withnail
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Join date: 24 Jan 2005
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03-26-2006 21:57
From: Kendra Bancroft Correct on rape being impossible in SL.
Incorrect on Picard. Obviously you never saw him battle a Nausican. Hm. You have a point, there. But... Kirk's odd... speech patterns would... confuse Picard, allowing... him to... take Picard by surprise. As for the actual topic: You know what, I don't think anyone here would disagree that depicting a child being molested is a Bad Thing. Now, bella, propose a system for LL to monitor for such. And I do not mean your current 'I saw a boy avvie dancing and he was For Hire' system. One that actually can detect child avatars engaged in sexual activity. Or are you proposing that we just report it when we see a child avatar engaged in sexual activity? Because, yeah, we see that all the time, we just haven't been reporting it because we didn't know it was bad until you told us. |
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Allana Dion
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Join date: 12 Jul 2005
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03-26-2006 21:58
From: Zepp Zaftig Next generation SL avatars. OH God no ... pac man sex! *shudders violently* |
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bella Ophelia
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Join date: 22 Mar 2006
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03-26-2006 22:00
From: Elspeth Withnail Hm. You have a point, there. But... Kirk's odd... speech patterns would... confuse Picard, allowing... him to... take Picard by surprise.
As for the actual topic: You know what, I don't think anyone here would disagree that depicting a child being molested is a Bad Thing.
Now, bella, propose a system for LL to monitor for such. And I do not mean your current 'I saw a boy avvie dancing and he was For Hire' system. One that actually can detect child avatars engaged in sexual activity. Or are you proposing that we just report it when we see a child avatar engaged in sexual activity? Because, yeah, we see that all the time, we just haven't been reporting it because we didn't know it was bad until you told us. Okay, so it is up to one woman to find a way to do this or it isn't worth attempting? Go back to watching Star Trek and let the grown ups worry about the safety of the children. |
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Elspeth Withnail
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Join date: 24 Jan 2005
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03-26-2006 22:04
From: bella Ophelia Okay, so it is up to one woman to find a way to do this or it isn't worth attempting?
Go back to watching Star Trek and let the grown ups worry about the safety of the children. bella, I'm pointing out that it's not exactly something LL can magic into existence. They don't have some mystical algorithm that is going to tell them 'ZOMG child avatar having sex in Zone Three!'. You wanted a discussion, let's have one. How exactly would you go about preventing it? Scripted cameras covering every single interaction between avatars? A network of informers? Haruspication? How exactly would you propose we eliminate all possibility of child avatar sex in SL? Oh, and feel free to continue the personal attacks. It makes me, and others, take you ever so much more seriously. |
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Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
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03-26-2006 22:05
From: Elspeth Withnail Because, yeah, we see that all the time, we just haven't been reporting it because we didn't know it was bad until you told us. haven't seen any. But as you're Grand Inquisitor, I'll find it everywhere and deal harshly with anyone I remotely suspect of even possibly imagining of engaging another adult in this activity. Freedom is too precious to be used without severe restraints. |
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Lorelei Patel
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Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
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03-26-2006 22:05
From: bella Ophelia I'm a woman and I love to be objectified by both men and woman... And that's why I said you should take care of your own mental health first. From: someone Or maybe you should take a stand and defend children who are not yet victimized... Sure. But there are no kids here. Ergo, no child victims.
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Nolan Nash
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Join date: 15 May 2003
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03-26-2006 22:09
From: Elspeth Withnail Haruspication? How exactly would you propose we eliminate all possibility of child avatar sex in SL? I was a Haruspex in a previous life. That's how I can tell when people are thinking about doing bad things before they've actually done anything. Yep, just by reading entrails.
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prak Curie
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Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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03-26-2006 22:50
From: bella Ophelia That's cute... maybe you are right and I am a prude because while I think all sex in every variation between consenting adults is fun and healthy, perhaps I'm just a fuddy-duddy prude for thinking we should draw the line when it comes to including children or lifelike visual representations of children. Trust me; I am far more a prude than you, I just have the good sense to keep it to myself. The world is a big place filled with people with all sorts of horrible opinions floating around in their broken little heads; I only care when they start trying to get their poorly thought out ideas forced on other people. I understand this means that every once in a while a few bad people might slip through and someone is harmed but it also means that my warped little idea of how the world should function is not being shoved down your throat. Trust me; you do not want to live in my world, do me the favor of not trying to make me live in yours.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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03-26-2006 23:01
from the protect act of 2003 From: someone Prohibits making a visual depiction that is a computer-generated image of a minor engaging in specified sexually explicit conduct. yes there was a similar law that was repealed in 2002the protect act of 2003 was signed in 2003
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prak Curie
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03-26-2006 23:15
http://law.case.edu/student_life/organizations/tilj/content.asp?id=113 From: someone The Majority noted that bans on child pornography have been based on concern for real victims. In contrast, the 1996 law "prohibits speech that records no crime and no victims by its production," regardless of whether or not they are "patently offensive." From: someone Additionally, legislation may not be premised on the desirability of controlling one’s private thoughts, and the government may not prohibit speech because it increases the chance that an illegal act will be committed at some time in the future. When it comes to images that do not involve real children, the First Amendment protects speech which is neither obscene nor the product of sexual abuse. The Court emphasized, "The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought."
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Tod69 Talamasca
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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03-26-2006 23:15
Like OMG!! I saw People dressed up liek animals having Hawt lewd Sex!!! Now we have Beastiality in SL!!!  If lewd comments on your female avatar makes you uncomfortable... CHANGE!!! Unlike RL, you can be anything in SL. Hell! If yer a psychologist walk around with a tiny lil' head! Tell people yer a head-shrinker! Look Like Freud!!!- I doubt he's gonna get any sex comments. There's a reason areas a listed as PG & M. Now, what 2 consenting adult Avatars do behind Prim Doors is up to them. None of my business. (altho pics of really juicy stuff is always appreciated  )
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-26-2006 23:16
the case you cite was 2002the protect act of 2003 was signed in 2003
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bella Ophelia
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Join date: 22 Mar 2006
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03-26-2006 23:18
From: prak Curie I am far more a prude than you, I just have the good sense to keep it to myself. The world is a big place filled with people with all sorts of horrible opinions floating around in their broken little heads; I only care when they start trying to get their poorly thought out ideas forced on other people.
I understand this means that every once in a while a few bad people might slip through and someone is harmed but it also means that my warped little idea of how the world should function is not being shoved down your throat. Trust me; you do not want to live in my world, do me the favor of not trying to make me live in yours. Interesting... all you know about the world i want to "make" you live in, is a world where paedofilia is not a valid life choice we all accept. Maybe you should rethink your values. |
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prak Curie
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Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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03-26-2006 23:20
From: StoneSelf Karuna the case you cite was 2002
the protect act of 2003 was signed in 2003 From: someone Justices Scalia, O’Connor, and Rehnquist dissented. The majority that struck down the older law remain on the court. You are welcome to explain how the newer law will be found any more constitutional.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-26-2006 23:21
From: prak Curie The majority that struck down the older law remain on the court. You are welcome to explain how the newer law will be found any more constitutional. be that was it may... it's still law now. and... bush signed the law... the guy who appointed two new judges.
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bella Ophelia
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Join date: 22 Mar 2006
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03-26-2006 23:23
From: Elspeth Withnail bella, I'm pointing out that it's not exactly something LL can magic into existence. They don't have some mystical algorithm that is going to tell them 'ZOMG child avatar having sex in Zone Three!'. You wanted a discussion, let's have one. How exactly would you go about preventing it? Scripted cameras covering every single interaction between avatars? A network of informers? Haruspication? How exactly would you propose we eliminate all possibility of child avatar sex in SL?
Oh, and feel free to continue the personal attacks. It makes me, and others, take you ever so much more seriously. How about an official stand against it... gee... I've posted an entire thread asking for it. Stating an official stand on the issue is the first step but after all these attacks, why bother, people seem just find with allowing this behavior to go on according to these posts attacking me for suggesting that rules to protect children might be a good idea. |
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prak Curie
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03-26-2006 23:23
From: bella Ophelia all you know about the world i want to "make" you live in, is a world where paedofilia is not a valid life choice we all accept. I do not trust you to limit yourself.
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prak Curie
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03-26-2006 23:29
From: StoneSelf Karuna bush signed the law... the guy who appointed two new judges. From: someone Justices Scalia, O’Connor, and Rehnquist dissented. He only replaced people who dissented. The majority that wrote the opinion remains untouched.
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bella Ophelia
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Join date: 22 Mar 2006
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03-26-2006 23:32
From: StoneSelf Karuna be that was it may... it's still law now.
and... bush signed the law... the guy who appointed two new judges. I'm against the child protection act, it is just a veiled attack on first amendment free speech. But I'm not so stupid to think that I have to toss obvious behaviors that put children at risk under the guise of free speech. Bush and his friends use the issues I'm concerned with as a way of drumming up support for their policies. At the same time, I still have a brain and can use it to tell the difference. |
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-26-2006 23:34
From: prak Curie He only replaced people who dissented. The majority that wrote the opinion remains untouched. well if you must... they tried to rewrite the law so it would be constitutional... and until it hits the supreme court again... i'm not going to armchair lawyer this one. sure it may be overturned... but it may not. i'm going to point out that the law is on the books. and it has been used. and ll is subject to it.
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Elspeth Withnail
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Join date: 24 Jan 2005
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03-26-2006 23:35
From: bella Ophelia How about an official stand against it... gee... I've posted an entire thread asking for it. Stating an official stand on the issue is the first step but after all these attacks, why bother, people seem just find with allowing this behavior to go on according to these posts attacking me for suggesting that rules to protect children might be a good idea. 1: You are incapable of distinguishing between 'attack' and 'disagreement'. 2: As of your writing this, Torley has provided you with some information in another thread. Reread it. It covers this. It's already there. 'Broadly offensive'. 3: Cowbell. Lots of cowbell. |
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prak Curie
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03-26-2006 23:37
From: bella Ophelia But I'm not so stupid to think that I have to toss obvious behaviors that put children at risk under the guise of free speech. From: someone legislation may not be premised on the desirability of controlling one’s private thoughts, and the government may not prohibit speech because it increases the chance that an illegal act will be committed at some time in the future.
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