Ageplay

you have only yourself to blame

Well, if two consenting adults want to show up at a dance club, one dressed as a KKK member and the other as a black man with a noose around his neck, I suppose we should just all watch and celebrate diversity.

There is no room for common sense.

Oh wait... I was a victim of a crime and I was presented with a public celebration of the sexiness of that crime and I was offended. I guess someone with some semblance of intelligence my agree that that makes it my business.

The rules and laws don't have to be written to please me and protect me from ever getting offended but I'll be damned if I'm going to simply hide in a corner when I see someone celebrating child sexual abuse.

Why is it that what goes on between two (or more!) consenting adults in private anyone else's business if it isn't hurting anyone else? Unless you can somehow PROVE some claim about how ageplay demonstrably and directly leads to child abuse, you should shove your nose somewhere that it matters.

Personally, my favorite is Alfalfa! Gotta love the first guy with hair spikes, ok 1 spike, but still! He rocked my world!

I agree that two consenting adults role playing in SL, even with one role playing a child for sexual purposes, is not anything remotely like actual sexual abuse. I don't, however, think it is unexpected for people to be offended or outraged by this. The main concern with age play is for the person in the adult role, it is part of a pattern of gratification of sexual attraction to children that leads to seeking out child pornography and actually victimizing children. Pedophilia is something very insiduous - many, many sexual predators are repeat offenders because they cannot control those attractions. Yes, there are those with sexual attraction to children who would never act upon it, and perhaps are just exploring it in a harmless way online with another adult. No, they aren't specifically doing something wrong or illegal, but with the well established precendence of it leading to the victimization of a child, this is not something people want to take lightly.

Just because you can't seen something that is obvious, doesn't mean it also flies over everyone else's head.

Do you have any fantasies that you actually have no interest in real life? I'm not asking if you have fantasies you would be too scared to do, I'm asking if you have any that would be illegal or harmful to others if you lived them out. Most of us don't... if you do, seek help and stop pretending that it is simply a personal choice issue.

Victimizing children is not a harmless fantasy.

Again, you mock the concept of a hate crime to compare the two.



Common sense isn't, it seems.



Wrong. You were offended, yes. That doesn't make it your buisness, however.



You assign much to their motives.

Through the darkness of insanity a light of wisdom shines through.

Showing a black person hanging from a noose in SL would not be a hate crime - hanging one in RL would. You can't claim on one hand that it's just pixels and privacy when it comes to ageplay, and then blur the lines like that. In RL, sex with a child is a crime too. So either both are harmless in SL, or neither are.

God I hope you never have children if you can't see that the crime of paedophilia is as terrible as a hate crime.

"I'm offended by this." is one thing.

"I'm offended by this, so we should make rules to prevent anyone from ever doing anything remotely like this ever again." is quite another.

No crime has been commited. You trivialize the concept of a hate crime by suggesting that one has.

You didn't address what I said. You said she was mocking a hate crime. Well, age play would be mocking a sex crime. Both are crimes in RL - the question is, where is the line in SL?

No, you trivialize the danger of pedophilia and sexual abuse of children by downplaying the seriousness of this. Again, you blurred RL and SL by calling what she was referring to as a hate crime.

But you didn't see anyone celebrating child sexual abuse. You saw an avatar which resembled a child dancing in a sexually charged atmosphere. Did you see anyone dressed as their Daddy visiting them late at night in their bedroom and telling them to keep it a secret or there will be serious trouble?

Did you see the child locked in a cage surrounded by avatars shaped as men with huge prim penii? Did you see a schoolgirl getting a pelvic exam from a naughty gyno?

You wanna get upset at something? Get upset at instances in RL where children are exploited sexually --REAL CHILDREN. Little girls in makeup and high heels in beauty pageants. Barbie makeup kits designed for 6 year old girls.

You aren't the only person in the world ever to have been abused and molested by their father you know. And if you really do have psycholgical training, as you suggest, than you would know that the real dangers of pedophilic behaviour are when children are induced to act as adults sexually, not when adults play pretend as children.

Keep working yourself up there, bella, and soon you'll be back to asking folks if they've been "fixed."

You misunderstand what I said, I think. She mocks it by suggesting a crime has been commited, when it hasn't. I agree it's paedophelia is terrible. So is bestiality, rape, slavery, a lot of other things that have fetishes that directly or indirectly brush on them. Acting out those fetish is NOT commiting a crime. It does not mean the person WILL commit a crime. It does not mean the person WANTS to commit a crime.

*boggles*



I'm sure there are much more people who are 1L wife beaters who love to play the same abusive role on SL. Or pretend rapists, or zoophiles, or necrophilliacs, or robo-fetishs... Or, hey, homosexuals as you so thoughtfully provide as an example.

When exactly does such a push for removing potentially harmful aspects stop? If I want to roleplay that I'm getting eaten Hannibal Lector style and that turns me on, where exactly do you have the right to say that should not be allowed?

Seriously, do you realize what you are asking LL to be? Some kinda thought police on their own system? No wonder they've shut your threads down.

Hey, I don't care for ageplay either, or anything associated with pedo. But when I see it, I just leave. I don't hang around places that encourage it, either. There is nothing illegal going on (yet, I have a feeling this may change as people become used to a more reactionary government), so what's the fuss? If it really bothers you, report then to the Lindens but don't expect much traction from that direction.


I don't really know what to say this aside from:

You must want to see video games banned, because playing a game where you kill people must equate a desire to kill them in RL too.

SLBS (Second Life Busybody Syndrome) is catching. I was afraid of this.

I called nothing a hate crime. That's the point. I rejet comparing ANYTHING here to a hate crime.

The concern in age play is not for the one playing the role of the child nearly as much as the "adult". Those pretending to be children are often working out their own sexual issues that are unrelated to being pedophiles. When you have an ageplay situation where one is playing the adult having sex with a child, that is where the concern comes in.

You are the one who used the phrase, saying she was mocking the concept of a hate crime with her example - yet she was not citing an example of a hate crime. She was making an analogy between anything racial being taboo in SL, but apparently something involving sex with children is perfectly acceptable.

That particular train of conversation goes back a little further - it starts at Post #40.

I can see that. But is the adult in the scenario excited by the idea of being with a child or with being with another adult who wishes to be seen as a child?

Should "age-players" then only use adult AVs dressed in children's clothing? Given the nature of shapeshifting possible in SL I maintain that the action here of wearing a child AV is no more bizarre then a grown adult who in RL gets off wearing a romper and some nappys. Nobody is under the delusion that it's an actual child.

Again, I'm more concerned in the SL environment when I come across an obvious 12 year old dressed as a hoochie stripper, then a 30 year old in oshkosh b'gosh.