Ageplay

How much time do the Lindens have to stake out a place like this? As soon as I said something in the club, the child morphed into a full grown man avatar.

Sometimes drawing attention to something causes the people involved to back off or tone down their behavior. Laws and rules can't cure every problem but silence never stops anything.

There are no laws about swearing in public or discussing explicit sexual topics in line at the bank... it is the social pressure of other human beings that usually keeps people from doing so. If there is no social pressure to stop people from openly presenting children as sexual objects within SL, it will become more and more prevalent as a safe haven for people who want to do so.

Drahma! I think you know perfectly well that nobody here is saying we should ignore criminal activity. The issue is, if you believe that child av/adult av sex was occurring in this case, or that there was any sort of criminal/sicko intent, the proper procedure should have been to abuse report it or alert a Linden. Going on and on about it in the forum is going to accomplish nothing. There are proper channels for dealing with this sort of thing; learn to use them.

bella, what you have a tendency to do and part of why people aren't hearing what you have to say is that you take one small point someone has made and blow it up to huge proportions in order to make your own point... in effect you are sabatoging (sp?) yourself. Assuming someone is innocent until you have actuall evidence to the contrary is the way our society works and making the statement is certainly NOT the same as saying "Lock your children up and let everyone out of jail who someone somewhere can say they aren't completely sure they believe this person committed a crime because they didn't see the crime committed". Not even close.

Now I'm not attacking you, and I'm likely not going to posting here again because it's time for me to go spend some time with my own child. But my suggestion would be that you listen more carefully to what people are saying, because the fact is, most of those I've read AGREE with you that sexual ageplay is wrong and should be reported... your point has most definately been made. And again I strongly suggest you gain some perspective by spending some time exploring some of the pg areas of SL, you might be pleasantly surprised and find yourself enjoying some other activities on the occasional days you're not in the mood for sexually based ones.

I didn't say you would be found as a child in a sexual place. I said I saw a child in a sexually charged atmosphere / dance club dancing provocatively. I was reporting on what I SAW, not assuming anything.

There are no rules against this so abuse reporting them is not an option. Discussing it in the forum I would hope would lead to rules that say children avatars may not behave or be presented as sexual objects. Currently, I know of no such rule and with all the argument, I suppose there will never be one.

The only one who can control where you go and what you see in SL is YOU. If you don't wish to come across behavior that may be of a sexual nature at all, stay in the PG sims. If you see something in a club that you don't like, leave and don't go back. The rules of the world as they currently exist don't impose an honus on the rest of us to avoid doing things that may offend YOU just in case YOU happen to drop by.

I see enough of this kind of "ban everything that might offend anybody" attitude in the real world. It sure makes me feel old to be longing for the days when people understood concepts like common sense and personal responsbility.

Wait a minute...

You spotted something inappropriate, (though I'm still not certain that being in a dance club is what many on SL would consider sexual... most of use would agree fully if you'd walked in on them with sex poseballs), you made a comment... and the person went "Oh gosh, you're right" and switched to an adult Av? What would you have had LL do? Ban him anyways.

On an entirely unrelated note, there were a lot of problems, legally speaking, with the MJ case.

Ah, so now SL is becoming a haven for pedophiles? Never mind, this is like trying to reason with a brick wall. I'm outta this thread.

I love coming across many things of a sexual nature. I love dressing sexy and laying on the nude beaches nude talking to friends.

I don't want to be having fun looking for a sexy place to go dancing and walk in to see an 8-year-old realistic avatar being presented as a sexually charged character.

I know I am not in the minority here, even tho you'd perhaps draw that conclusion from posts like yours.

He was the owner of the club and his profile said that he was 8-years-old and had a "partner" who was an adult.

He didn't say, "oh gosh you're right." It was more like, "oh shit, a normal person who might tell on me."

So I didn't go to the Lindens to ban him, I brought the topic up to see if responsible people would come up with ideas on how to deal with such things.

Bella, we're talking basic human nature here. You wouldn't have brought it up if you didn't want something done about it.

From your tone so far, I'd imagine you want everyone with a short av ever found in an even vaguely compromising position to be banned.

But please correct me if I'm wrong.

This thread makes me want to take a vacation to the Neverland Ranch.

see you there big daddy

I want responsible adults to be realistic about the issue of obvious paedophiles using SL as a way to promote their fantasies of abusing children.

Statistically, if there are 150,000 people playing this game, there is likely a paedophile among those. If a person creates an avatar of a little child and has that little child engaging in sexual behaviors with another adult pretending to be an adult or child, both involved are either active paedophiles or they are treading into the realm of paedophilia. Just like people who live out homosexual fantasies, if they didn't have homosexual fantasies or tendencies, it simply wouldn't interest them save a curious experiment here and there.

If you are a man and your avatar is a man and your avatar is giving oral sex to a male avatar that is controlled by another man at his computer, you have on some level tendencies toward homosexual behavior and fantasy. That is a wonderful and sexy way for an adult to explore normal sexual behavior such as homosexuality.

But if you are a grown man and your grown male avatar is giving oral sex to an 8-year-old avatar, what do you suppose that means?

That was a very nice little speech. You didn't answer the question though.

You "want responsible adults to be realistic about the issue of obvious paedophiles using SL as a way to promote their fantasies of abusing children" and by that you mean you want them to do something that would display, to you, that they are being realistic about said issues.

What exactly is that?

Do you want them restricted to child sims, where adult avs can't enter... do you want them banned? Do you want ageplay forbidden only?

It's very easy to jump up and down and freak out about something... plenty of people do it on a variety of topics, and most of the time they don't flat out say what their solution is.

I've said it several times.

A simple rule. Child avatars cannot be used in a sexual manor. Just like hate speech and behaviors.

Possibly in other threads then... I didn't pay attention to the ones that were blocked while I was offline.

Should we also ban sexual interaction between furs because some of them might be zooiphiles? Or ban the BDSM/Gorean crowd because some of them may be violent rapists?

Just wondering how far your principles go.

The OP ignores "age play" as an RL fetish (ie Adult babies and the like). Maybe it would be safer to just ban ALL fetishes or anything that wasn't plain old vanilla heterosexual sex.

The question becomes, in an environment where one can change shapes quite easily, where does one draw the line?

In an environment when you can escape to safety with a simple teleport or log-off are we. any of us, really in any danger of anything but consensual behavior.

Should we also ban people who play different genders? How about banning anything sexual just to be safe? How do we know that stripper dancing her pixels off in a stripper club is over 18?

Unless you have proof that some sort of pedophilic crime is actually going on --BUTT OUT.

To compare age-play with pedophilic abuse in RL is to completely trivialize actual abuse.
I've been abused and I know enough to stay away from "trigger" areas. Hell I don't even engage in sexual activities in SL because of that. I run a profitable marina in Funadama, and serve on the government of Neualtenburg. Plenty to do in SL that isn't sexual.

How would you propose to enforce that? Would LL have to video record every square meter of SL to ensure that the only avatars bumping prims are adult avatars? Or would you expect LL to take your word for it alone that someone was dancing in a "sexually charged atmosphere" while appearing as a nine-year-old?

But what about furries? How do we figure out what age they are if they don't say it in their profile? Or midgets and dwarves? Are little people forbidden to experience the joys of pixelsex, lest someone mistake them for children?

Won't someone PLEASE think of the Munchkins?!?

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" still requires proof. You are presuming guilt with no suggestion of guilt.

If two consenting adults wanna have sex with one of them dressed as a member of the Little Rascals, what buisness is it of yours or anyone elses?

Personally, I think a simple rule is that people should keep their nose out of buisness that doesn't concern them.

Um, are you for real? How about creating a child avatar to have sex with adult avatars being a little more like trivializing actual abuse?

Are you also saying that because it would be difficult to enforce, we should just accept it and allow it to happen rather than being creative and coming up with ways to deal with it so you don't have to "stay away from trigger areas?"

It also really scares me how quick some of you are to bunch paedophilia into normal adult sexual behaviors or call it simply a fetish not unlike BDSM. I'm sure BDSM fans would take issue with that.

I'm very real. I just don't happen to confuse pixels for flesh and blood. :::hrug:::

By that logic, almost anything sexual could be said to be trivializing some other horrid atrocity. Slavery. Rape. You name it. If your skin is thin enough, it's trivializing SOMETHING.



We're all nice and white and pure until it's OUR little kink or fetish or hobby or preference that comes under fire, aren't we? What goes on in SL isn't real paedophilia in any event, as the word is used in comon parlance.

Gives "Spanky" a whole new meaning though.

Did NOT want that image in my mind, damn it.