Ageplay

Since the ageplay discussions were closed for breaking SL Forum rules, I will start one that doesnt break the rules.


There is two types of age place, Sexual and Non Sexual, most of the kids on SL are the no sexual. I my self am a toddler on sl, there will be no sexual around. I have had kids banned from child land groups that I am a member for doing pedifile stuff. So dont assume that just because they are a child and adult in RL, they it is sexual. Pedifile stuff disgust me, and alot of my friends feel the same.

There are hundreds of children on SL, you dont see them, because they dont go to the clubs, and other places where adults go. We have our own areas we hang out in that is child safe. Heck I have close to hundred children on my friends list, and I know that isnt all of them.

If I feel like doing an adult thing, I have adult avatars that I go to, and if for somereason I as a child suddenly appear at some area adult, I wont be there very long, probably be gone in 2 minutes, because I wont feel safe there.

Becky, a child avatar.

If I had seen a child avatar in an area other than a sexually charged dance club, I may have simply been a little weirded out. Everything has a context and the context of what I saw was what alarmed me.

I don't "get" why an adult would want to pretend to be a child but if an adult can truly do this in an innocent, non-sexual way, I guess I'd rather just not see it but wouldn't draw attention to it.

But the reality is that human beings are very sexual animals and the imagination is a powerful sexual tool. To suggest that there are hundreds of adults pretending to be children and doing so in an asexual way seems a bit naive. I love the charged sexual atomosphere of SL... because it is like real life only with less boundaries... but in my opinion, that doesn't mean NO boundaries...

Sometimes I think adults need to look at their behaviors in terms of what MIGHT be going on or what harm this MIGHT cause before they create such things as "adults pretending to be cub scouts" for completely innocent, non-sexual entertainment value.

If there are paedophiles in SL (gee... I don't know... 150,000 users playing?) where do you think they will gravitate to? Why give them the pleasure?

Yes, Virginia, there ARE areas of Second Life that don't have a "charged sexual atmosphere." Shockingly enough, some people DO log in and have fun without ever thinking about sex.

If feels like you're saying LL should ban all child avatars because there might be someone out there who gets the wrong ideas when he or she sees one. I suppose while they're at it, they should ban furries and vampires and Gorean avies, too. In fact, we should all just wander the SL world as 1m x 1m x 1m prim cubes, with plywood texture. End of all problems.

I think you're making a big leap there assuming that because humans have sex, everything we do has to be sexually related. In the real world we all manage to go hours (some of us days and weeks) without sex. If everything always had to be sexually related, we'd never make it through an 8 hour work day. We surpress the urge during that time... and everyone also has other sports or hobbies or practices that they gleefully take part in, without making it sexual.

I'm fully willing to believe that Becky uses a kid av, and in no way engages in any sexual play with it.

The ones that do? Well, it's not my kink... but if they're adults... creepy though it may be to me, it's not illegal. It also doesn't really directly translate to RL... I'm a giant Fish girl in SL... which in no way means I feel the urge to go molest Shamu irl. There are furries in SL, which doesn't mean they want to be zooipliles in life.

LMAO

Ok, I'm going to give this a shot.
You stated... "I don't "get" why an adult would want to pretend to be a child but if an adult can truly do this in an innocent, non-sexual way, I guess I'd rather just not see it but wouldn't draw attention to it."
Why wouldn't you want to see it, if it's nonsexual it shouldnt affect you should it?
As for why they would want to pretend... well why does anyone pretend anything? We all have our reasons. Maybe someone had a crappy childhood, maybe they WERE victimized as a child.. this second life is their chance to pretend to live the childhood they would have wanted. Maybe someone had no friends as a child, here they can have a hundred friends. I personally know someone who grew up without a real family. Here she plays the role of a 5 year old and has a mommy and a daddy and brothers and sisters. Its all roleplay, it's all in fun and they aren't hurting anyone.

I absolutely AGREE that victimizing or even pretending to victimize a child is WRONG WRONG WRONG and these people should be exposed for what they are. HOWEVER, it is insulting to everyone to assume that anyone dressed as a child must be sicko. There are plenty of people who log into second life every day and choose to avoid any sexual situations and roleplay. The fact that so far you have the idea that that is point of SL and that it is everywhere only points out that you haven't been everywhere yet, you are exposed to so much sex because that is the theme of the places you are spending your time. If that is what you are here for great, if it's not I suggest you do a bit more exploring.

People are here for all sorts of reasons not just sex. There are robot avatars, animal avatars, star trek characters, aliens, monsters, superheroes, and yes children.

You mentioned in one of your other posts that you are involved in D/s roleplay. So am i. However there are people who look at what we do and call US sickos. They say we are wrong and have no right to live our fantasies. Do their opinions give them the right to attack us? Absolutely not. That said, I will repeat an earlier statement as you have a tendency to ignore or not hear it when others agree with you too. I absolutely AGREE that victimizing or even pretending to victimize a child is WRONG WRONG WRONG and these people should be exposed for what they are. HOWEVER, it is insulting to everyone to assume that anyone dressed as a child must be sicko. There are plenty of people who log into second life every day and choose to avoid any sexual situations and roleplay.

This position is exactly why I think it is important to be able to give precise examples. I saw a child avatar that looked very convincingly like a little boy and he was dancing suggestively in a mature area dance club that most people would call a sexually charged atmosphere. Clicking on his profile it mentioned not only several child like groups but that he was available for hire.

If you have a child and your 50-year-old next door neighbor likes to dress up as a child but assures you that there is nothing sexual about it, will you allow your child to go next door and play "house" with that adult? If not, why not if it is so easy to believe that such behavior is harmless, normal and not sexually charged?

I have often observed people with boxes on their heads. It's obviously a sexual thing, since everything in SL is about sex. It looks like a lot of people like boxplaying, since seeing people with boxes on their heads happens fairly often.

I think this is a big problem. My neighbour once raped my mailbox, and I'm pretty sure he have been boxplaying in SL. I think boxplaying should be banned. If it's not, then it's likely that your mailbox will be next.

Perhaps, you should do a little reading (click here) on the subject before jumping to a bunch of conclusions. While, I agree with you in principle in regards to the sexual aspects of age play, there is more to it, however, than of what you are apparently aware.

1) Did the person's profile mention for what they were available for hire? Scripting? Building? Game Hosting? "For Hire" doesn't automatically imply sexual activity.

2) I wouldn't let any child go next door and play "house" with ANY 50 year old, no matter what the neighbor likes to wear. Again, however, this does not relate to the issue of age play -- or any kind of acting out of fantasies [tinies, furries, ninjas, vampires, sl weddings,] -- between consenting adults

Just because your Second Life may be all about sex, Bella, doesnt mean it is for any body else. I get mines in RL so I don't worry about sex or anything related to it in SL.

There are people who come here to roleplay in roles, other than sex, and be something their usually not. This may be a child, an Elf, or an anthropomorphic dog.
It is called Second Life, not Sex Life.


There may be, and I have heard are paedophiles in the Second Life community. But they are a small minority. There is a fine line between if fantasies will lead to paedophilia in RL or not but I am not the one to debate that, that is for a psychologist or someone who knows. But what I am saying is your making it sound like every grown adult has paedophilic tendencies or something the way you keep saying it is a sexually charged atmosphere with no room for people just roleplaying children in an innocent fun way.

First of all, we're not talking about actual children here, second life citizens are supposed to 18 or over... we're talking about consenting adults.

Secondly, actually I have a 67 year old neighbor who for the last 20 years or so of his life has been dressing up as an elf at christmas, hands out gifts to the neighborhood children and his favorite activity is to host "cartoon parties" at his home where he allows children from the neighborhood with or without thier parents to all pile up in his livingroom, watch a cartoon movie and eat cookies and popcorn while he lounges on the floor with him laughing at the cartoon right along with the kids and parents. I asked him once why he likes spending time with the kids so much and he explained it to me. This man grew up in a poverty stricken family, he basically had what amounted to no childhood, going straight into working to help support the family by the time he was 11 years old. He married twice in his life but was physically unable to have children of his own. Now he is an old man with no family who's life revolves around trying to have the experiences he's always wanted to have through the people around him.

Now while I tend to be an extremely overprotective parent, (my children have survived up to their teen years with little trauma so far) If I were to take this information and start going to my neighbors telling them watch out for this guy, he likes kids and that isn't normal, there must be something creepy and sick about it.... well then not only would I be the one in the wrong, I would be damaging this man's reputation and hurting him only because my own experiences limit my ability to understand him. By saying that anyone who dresses in second life as a child must be a sicko well you are doing the same thing... accusing someone else simply because you can't understand thier position.

Damn... so much for my idea that we all use 1m x 1m x 1m cube avatars.

I didn't say I was into role play, I said I am truly submissive by nature in RL and it comes out in my SL character because it is a reality to me and I don't really know how to behave otherwise. I don't do any structured "role play" and I don't think there is any problem with role play as long as it doesn't include the wholesale objectification of children as sexual objects.

Is it so hard for people to wrap their head around the fact that just like in real life, we have to keep our eyes out for issues that might be harmful to our community?

Michael Jackson uses the argument that he had a bad childhood so that is why he has sleep overs with young boys. He was found not guilty of a crime. Does anyone who has a reasonable IQ believe he is innocent and non-sexual in his playing with young boys? The pornography that was found where the boy said it would be doesn't make him out to be a child molester, but the fact that he is showing it to children indicates it is not a non-sexually charged behavior.

My degree is in psychology and I can assure you from everything I know that pretending to be a child in SL who is interacting with other adults pretending to be children is not going to cure any childhood psychological issues or give someone back a lost childhood. I am someone who lost my childhood to sexual abuse and the last thing on Earth I want to do is to create a child avatar and allow strangers to interact with me in hope that I will be treated as I should have been when I was really a child.

As an adult woman exploring SL, I can't enter a building without at least a couple of sexually charged comments. As it so happens, I not only am okay with that but enjoy it because I am an adult and the people being suggestive are also adults and therefore it is appropriate. I dress very provocatively and I say thank you if someone comments on the beauty of my avatar. Does anyone really think that in a game as huge as SL, I could fly around as a child avatar and not attract the attention of people who view children as sexual objects?

Well, to address the first paragraph of the section I quoted.... not everyone has a degree in phsychology, many people try numerous things to work through whatever issues they have and what works for one doesn't always work for everyone else. I also didn't mean to imply that EVERYONE who roleplays as a child is doing it to work through some issue, some people might just like playing dress up. But if they are working through some issues, they have every right to do it in the way that works for them whether you believe it does or not.

To the second paragraph of the section I quoted..... as I said before the amount of sex you are exposed to in second life is a direct result of the places you are choosing to spend your time. Clearly you are enjoying it and there is nothing wrong with that, I confess to enjoying some sexually charged fun here too. However yes I absolutely believe that someone can spend an entire day in SL and never come across sex and never be hit up for it. I have done it. It's all about where you go and who you spend time around.

While I don't think I'd ever try to recapture joys of childhood in Second Life, I can see that some could possibly do it.

I had a childhood sweetheart when I was very young - between about six and ten years of age, I guess. Absolutely nothing sexual about it. In fact at the time, I thought most girls were icky and boring, but not her.

We were pirate twins, souls entwined, and played together whenever possible. When she moved far away, I was heartbroken for a long time.

For me personally, the door to childhood is forever shut. I'll never walk that beach again, no matter how many times I've been to the physical location since.

For anyone who can open that door to an age of wonder and discovery, good luck. There are many precious things there that can be found nowhere else.


Sexualising small children, even in Second Life crosses a very dark line, though.

As a member of society and a parent, it scares the hell out of me that anyone would even consider doing such a thing.

Okay, I'll go along with the idea that someone can come to SL and not have sex on the brain. I will also buy that there are innocent people just playing dress up.

But that wasn't what I saw or what I was drawing attention to. I saw a person using a child avatar in a sexually charge atmosphere, dancing at a night club with no shirt on. My intention was to draw attention to that issue, not the overall issue of people playing make-believe.

Do we have to tolerate killers walking free among us in RL because not everyone who walks among us are killers? Are we robots or were we given brains so we can separate what is okay and what is not okay?

(and please, trolls and those less-than-braniacs please refrain from saying my example is calling role players killers... it is really hard to argue with people who can't comprehend examples used to make larger points.)

I think the concept you're struggling to grasp is "innocent until proven guilty."

Yeah, but then we'd have to worry about all the primophiles.

I want to point out two things, first Child Adult sex in any form disgust me, and two most children on SL it would disgust them too. Every child on sl has come for different reasons, mine was because of RL reasons. I am not trying to work though issues by being a child, I done my issues long time ago. I know a friend on sl who is a child, they started the game as an adult, were in a poseball store trying an adult pose ball out and complete idiotict stranger jumped on the other poseball, there for raping them, and they went to child after that.

Becky

Well, under the guidelines some of these posters would set up, "proving" someone guilty would require "not even the slightest incling of a hint of a shadow of a doubt." It used to be that reasonable people used reasonable doubt as the standard.

Several of the jurors of the Michael Jackson trial came out publically and said they believed he was guilty but because there was a slight doubt they couldn't convict. Essentially, the only way he was going to be put away was if the jurors themselves had seen MJ having oral sex with boys. Hearing witnesses say they saw it wasn't enough.

Lock your children up and let everyone out of jail who someone somewhere can say they aren't completely sure they believe this person committed a crime because they didn't see the crime committed.

Posters don't set the guidelines in Second Life. Linden Lab does. All you're doing here is spinning your wheels.

So report the person and the place to the Lindens, and let them handle it. That's their job. I think anybody who is creeped out by child sex will have the good sense to do the same, and then leave quickly, if they come upon this place. Posting about it over and over and over isn't going to help anything. If you see something you feel is wrong, abuse report it. Abuse report it over and over if you like. That's the best way to get something constructive accomplished.

Well, my suggestion would be that those who play innocently as children be the first to take it among themselves to make sure people like myself who were victimized as children don't walk into rooms where child sexuality is being openly presented as a valid sexual role.

If that is impossible (which my guess it is) than at least work with people like me who bring it up and want to get rid of that aspect of child role playing so that the two things are not seen in a similar light.

Like I've said several times... I was drawing attention to what I saw, not a concept.

Wait a min Bella, you wont find me as a child in a sexual place, and as other people have said, all you can do is abuse report them. Dont assume since this person is a child, they are acting sexual.

Becky