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Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 20:27
From: Cocoanut Koala
As does mine, Enabran. Really, I wouldn't continue on down this road, if I were you.


o rly!
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Sierra Divine
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11-08-2005 20:27
From: Cocoanut Koala
Because I'm not in this for the charity of it. Not only do I have to love doing whatever I choose to do, but it also has to pay off for me.

I would say that about any activity in ANY game/platform/okra.

As it is, I am doing something that is highly enjoyable and does pay off for me, and provides as much satisfaction in serving people as did running the game shows. (Albeit a different kind of satisfaction; there's no "on stage" to building houses.)

When I talk about giving a needed boost to entertainment/events, I'm not talking out of personal need. I'm happy doing what I am doing.

coco



ok so fight the fight verbally 4 those that need but when it comes 2 getting involved, sit back n watch some1 else do it? i'm starting 2 c y u c SL as a game
Cocoanut Koala
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11-08-2005 20:29
From: Sierra Divine
ok so fight the fight verbally 4 those that need but when it comes 2 getting involved, sit back n watch some1 else do it? i'm starting 2 c y u c SL as a game

Yes, I call it a game.

coco
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Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 20:29
From: Logan Bauer
Enabran, I'm afraid your right. I can envision many "Real world" and "The apprentice" spin-offs that would be fairly interactive, could even have a "vote for which ending you want to see to this week's episode" thing, but yes, making it interactive much beyond that sort of thing... I definitely am all for post production and polishing it, I think everyone's jaw dropped when LL wanted us to stream hours of live content daily. I think it has the potential to be more than just marketing SL to external users, but then again I was pretty sure I'd see a lot more complete and polished machinima than I have in the last year. (No offense to billy Madison's wonderful tribute to Jeska Linden)


Yeah, I think that the "reality format" might lend itself well to SL. All you need is a basic structure. No detailed scripts, that kind of thing. Post is probably harder for reality shows because I'd imagine you'd have a lot more footage to edit.

Still, that'd be the way to do it. But another complication is streaming bandwidth! It ain't cheap! I don't know how you would recover those costs unless you had some obscene streaming solution. Hey there, Linden Lab!
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-08-2005 20:31
From: Logan Bauer
Enabran, I'm afraid your right. I can envision many "Real world" and "The apprentice" spin-offs that would be fairly interactive, could even have a "vote for which ending you want to see to this week's episode" thing, but yes, making it interactive much beyond that sort of thing... I definitely am all for post production and polishing it, I think everyone's jaw dropped when LL wanted us to stream hours of live content daily. I think it has the potential to be more than just marketing SL to external users, but then again I was pretty sure I'd see a lot more complete and polished machinima than I have in the last year. (No offense to billy Madison's wonderful tribute to Jeska Linden)

I think maybe it had more to do with people's game crashing when they try to watch video! I don't know, but I think that might be one factor.

I saw the machinima at Buh-Buh's, and that stuff was total ART! But TV doesn't have to be all like that. Think of talk shows. That can be very compelling, and doesn't have to be anything like that wonderful stuff at Buh-Buh's. That stuff would be more comparable to a blockbuster movie! Just a little of that would go a long way, and could be repeated throughout the day. (And should be.)

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Logan Bauer
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11-08-2005 20:32
From: Cocoanut Koala
Because I'm not in this for the charity of it. Not only do I have to love doing whatever I choose to do, but it also has to pay off for me.


Yes, and I've said many times before, even if there was no money involved and I had a platform to build whatever I wanted, I'd be there. The only things that have sold for me and been successful have been things I have enjoyed making and been passionate about. The fact that money is involved is the icing on the cake. You can't go into "There" or any other platform I've seen and have 1/10th the creative freedom you do in SL, IMO.
Cocoanut Koala
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11-08-2005 20:32
From: Enabran Templar
Is it weird to get an IM calling for backup?


How inordinately insulting.

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Cocoanut Koala
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11-08-2005 20:33
From: Enabran Templar
Yeah, I think that the "reality format" might lend itself well to SL. All you need is a basic structure. No detailed scripts, that kind of thing. Post is probably harder for reality shows because I'd imagine you'd have a lot more footage to edit.

Still, that'd be the way to do it. But another complication is streaming bandwidth! It ain't cheap! I don't know how you would recover those costs unless you had some obscene streaming solution. Hey there, Linden Lab!

P.S. I wasn't envisioning any editing needed in my show. I was planning to do it live.

coco

P.S. Thanks, Cherry!
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Sierra Divine
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11-08-2005 20:35
From: Logan Bauer
Yes, and I've said many times before, even if there was no money involved and I had a platform to build whatever I wanted, I'd be there. The only things that have sold for me and been successful have been things I have enjoyed making and been passionate about. The fact that money is involved is the icing on the cake. You can't go into "There" or any other platform I've seen and have 1/10th the creative freedom you do in SL, IMO.



agree with u there logan. there's alot of creative freedom in SL
Logan Bauer
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11-08-2005 20:37
From: Enabran Templar
Yeah, I think that the "reality format" might lend itself well to SL. All you need is a basic structure. No detailed scripts, that kind of thing. Post is probably harder for reality shows because I'd imagine you'd have a lot more footage to edit.

Still, that'd be the way to do it. But another complication is streaming bandwidth! It ain't cheap! I don't know how you would recover those costs unless you had some obscene streaming solution. Hey there, Linden Lab!


Exactly, the bandwidth is the killer, that's why I was part of a group trying for SL TV too, I wish my group would have won(but I don't post in the forums asking LL to give me a chance at that free bandwidth, I let it go and move on)... I was just getting good at editing video and mixing in sounds too... Maybe I'll quit wasting time being unproductive and posting in the forums for a while and try to see if I can make any decent machinima. :)
Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 20:38
From: Cocoanut Koala
P.S. I wasn't envisioning any editing needed in my show. I was planning to do it live.


The trouble with SL is that live is boring unless you pipe in voice. Watching tiny action figures who have tiny text bubbles gets old after about 90 seconds. To keep it interesting you need to compensate somehow.

I'm also not that impressed with SL's stability for a live-format show. At least with editing in your workfly you can cut out all those nasty crashes.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-08-2005 20:40
From: Enabran Templar
The trouble with SL is that live is boring unless you pipe in voice. Watching tiny action figures who have tiny text bubbles gets old after about 90 seconds. To keep it interesting you need to compensate somehow.

I'm also not that impressed with SL's stability for a live-format show. At least with editing in your workfly you can cut out all those nasty crashes.

I thought it was going to show a sort of chat log.

coco
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Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 20:40
From: Logan Bauer
I was just getting good at editing video and mixing in sounds too...


One thing that makes SL pretty neat is that you can green screen effortlessly. So if the often-static backdrops of SL aren't letting your creative juices flow, you can key in some other backdrop that's more lively.

Hey, what are you cutting your video with?
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Michi Lumin
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11-08-2005 20:45
From: Enabran Templar
Hey, what are you cutting your video with?


heh. Use Vegas. (Formerly Sonic Foundry, now Sony). I wrote a good part of it.
Nolan Nash
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11-08-2005 20:46
One thing that hasn't been pointed out yet, and since TSO has been brought up, I will mention it.

Tip jars. Tip jars worked very well during the time I was in TSO. I was a roomie at the #1 Off-beat category home on Blazing Falls (it was for some time at any rate). We raked it in.

In other words, people payed to come to our place, and when we held contests and events, people payed even more.

So, netizens will pay for entertainment, if it's well thought out and compelling enough.
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Michi Lumin
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11-08-2005 20:48
From: Nolan Nash
Tip jars. Tip jars worked very well during the time I was in TSO..


I've seen them work here. Hell I dropped L$1000 in one because the DJ was actively participating and playing some really good stuff.
Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 20:49
From: Michi Lumin
heh. Use Vegas. (Formerly Sonic Foundry, now Sony). I wrote a good part of it.


I don't be usin' no Fischer Price editing warez, yo.

I be rollin' with the Final Cut Prizzo.

Pro Apple in da hizzouse!

Reprezzent!
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Logan Bauer
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11-08-2005 20:55
From: Enabran Templar
One thing that makes SL pretty neat is that you can green screen effortlessly. So if the often-static backdrops of SL aren't letting your creative juices flow, you can key in some other backdrop that's more lively.

Hey, what are you cutting your video with?


Just the built-in "Movie Maker" with XP. FRAPS to rip the video out. And yah, the live sound is definitely paramount, even if you use gigantic font and can read it, still... (Edit : I'll have to look for Vegas, sounds cool Michi)

I had a talk-show backdrop I was working on, with a scripted particle billboard (like the little caption's you'll see in the corner of the news)... Had a couple seats for the cameraman zoomed in on the anchor's face, zoomed out to see the anchor and a guest. Even had a drumset waiting for a band leader. :(
Logan Bauer
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11-08-2005 20:57
From: Nolan Nash

Tip jars. Tip jars worked very well during the time I was in TSO. I was a roomie at the #1 Off-beat category home on Blazing Falls (it was for some time at any rate). We raked it in.

In other words, people payed to come to our place, and when we held contests and events, people payed even more.

So, netizens will pay for entertainment, if it's well thought out and compelling enough.


Very good point, the Primtionary events I went to had tipjars, and I've given a couple DJ's tips for playing a bunch of songs that flowed really well.
Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 21:02
From: Logan Bauer
Just the built-in "Movie Maker" with XP. FRAPS to rip the video out. And yah, the live sound is definitely paramount, even if you use gigantic font and can read it, still... (Edit : I'll have to look for Vegas, sounds cool Michi)


Ah, you poor Windows bastards. Editing video on Windows is like making love through several layers of rubber rain coat. ;) (yeah, yeah, Avid is for bitches. FCP forevar)

Still, if you really want to up your style, check out Adobe After Effects. I've been diddling with it for years, and it's really a lot of fun. Basically Photoshop with keyframes. Use it for motion graphics or even special effects.

(tangent: It's really very dangerous for your producitivity to get involved with video on the desktop at this point. It's gotten so easy and so cheap and the results can look really amazing. It can be a wild time suck, but damn, it's a whole lot of fun)
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Logan Bauer
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11-08-2005 21:28
From: Enabran Templar
Ah, you poor Windows bastards. Editing video on Windows is like making love through several layers of rubber rain coat. ;) (yeah, yeah, Avid is for bitches. FCP forevar)

Still, if you really want to up your style, check out Adobe After Effects. I've been diddling with it for years, and it's really a lot of fun. Basically Photoshop with keyframes. Use it for motion graphics or even special effects.

(tangent: It's really very dangerous for your producitivity to get involved with video on the desktop at this point. It's gotten so easy and so cheap and the results can look really amazing. It can be a wild time suck, but damn, it's a whole lot of fun)


LOL, yah, it hadn't crashed my machine (yet) so I had it on my list of "acceptable Windows crap". I was looking at After Effects and probably will take it up or the program Michi mentioned, "Movie Maker" let me cut stuff up and add in sound, but it had a couple basic "dissolve/wipe" transitions that were standard in video cameras 10 years ago, definitely looking for something better.

(counter-tangent : exactly. If I had the time and it didn't cut into my productivity, I'd probably be using Linux. ;P)
Enabran Templar
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11-08-2005 21:31
From: Cocoanut Koala
Not all of my houses are "little."


Hey, I just re-read this.

I thought you made houses for tinies? That look like hollowed acorns? :confused:
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11-08-2005 22:28
Absolutes are conceived with no possibility for rationalization. There is no comprimise.

People who argue class warfare are incredibly insane. You are sitting infront of a decent high-end computer (as far as the rest of the world is concerned) on a broadband connection. If you pay a monthly fee, you're even more gifted.

Count your blessings first. Don't cut your nose just to spite your face.
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11-08-2005 22:39
Oh my ...

From: Nolan Nash
But... but Michi. It should be easier. Linden Lab should make it easier. And more fun.

And they should make it better, too.

So people will have more fun.

They need to improve it.

By making it more fun.

And easier.

It'll be fun.

To me.

To me.

Oh yes you did.

Oh yes you did.






OMG! ROFLMAO!
Cocoanut Koala
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11-09-2005 05:26
From: Logan Bauer
Very good point, the Primtionary events I went to had tipjars, and I've given a couple DJ's tips for playing a bunch of songs that flowed really well.

I mentioned tip jars. Post #194.

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