Lords and Peasants

So tell me, Enabran. Why shouldn't I be proud of my "little" houses?

coco

why wouldn't it work? don't u pay 4 entertainment rl? if u go 2 a club 4 a special event or even just to hang out, don't u have 2 pay a cover charge?

even if the cover charge is alot of money, wouldn't u still pay it because u know u will have a good time in that club?

Sorry! I don't know why it is no longer functioning; I guess they figured they'd solved most of the pressing problems or something. You'd have to ask Robin.

coco

Can't think of any reason at all, there, big spender.

I've given you all the reasons I have been able to come up with why it doesn't work, and maybe other entertainers can give you more.

Aside from those, I don't know why it doesn't work. And it may well work one day. It has just never worked before.

My point is, until it can and does work, for the good of the game, the entertainment/events needs a little punching up.

coco

Big Spender?

What does that mean, Enabran?

Is there some reason you are dissing my fine houses?

coco

Which ones?

Hmm, that just makes no sense to me. I get pretty damned depressed when I'm unproductive... I get depressed if I play WoW for more than about 2 hours in a sitting because I feel like I could have used that time for something valuable. I have been on the forums too much lately and wasted too much time here, and that depresses me. I know the mindset of not wanting to be unproductive pretty well, but I still can think of a TON of events people could hold that I personally would be interested in, enough to pay for. I'm still AMAZED that we have a vehicle engine and people don't come up with more racing/airplane/combat games, I see a paintball or combat game every once in a while and practically race there to try it out. I'm all for entertainment, and would LOVE to see more cool stuff, and wouldn't think twice about paying for it.

Just something I observed in TSO and have observed here, Logan.

coco

Any of them? You name them. Is there some reason you are taking shots at my houses?

coco

but this isnt TSO. i've played TSO 4 almost 4 years b4 i came 2 SL. TSO is a game, SL is a platform.

if i don't log off SL feelin like i've accomplished something 2 put me 1 step closer 2wards my goals then i feel i've wasted time.

in TSO it didn't matter when i logged off because there was no incentive there.

You've just been talking about them a whole bunch in this thread. Pretty hard not to notice the enormous pride you're taking, that's all!

Well, call it what you want 9game/platform) - I think the same problem people had in TSO doing entertainment, they have here. Because of the virtual nature of the environments.

coco

Then Coco, instead of asking LL to provide it for you, make it yourself. Talk to one of the many groups that was interested in doing SL-TV. I was amazed that once SL-TV crumbled, we didn't have people run with the idea and make their own. Heck, I don't know much and I managed to figure out how to stream a low-quality stream from my computer... If there was a way to stream an SL-TV channel to my parcel that wasn't ridiculously expensive, I'd pay for it. Then you'd create an entirely new medium and an entirely new industry, you'd probably make some cash, and you'd make more "jobs" in SL.

I'm talking about them to make the points that (a) I am a content creator, not an entertainer; yet I see an inequity, and (b) you don't have to tell me about the hard work involved.

It's pretty hard not to notice the enormous pride you take in your hard work and determination, as evidenced by at least one lengthy post of yours above, and I don't dis those. In fact, I approve of all those values you hold dear, and I do as well.

I just point out that although that is all true, we as content creators have more opportunity and more incentive than entertainment and other non-physical content providers.

Not all of my houses are "little."

coco

I'm not sure the numbers are there for TV.

Not yet.

It's not something that's interactive, like you can host in SL. It's pretty passive, which means it needs to be very engaging. This takes pre-production, lots of it, takes time to capture the video and then you need to take it to post and edit it. Sure, you could do it more simply, but remember Video Linden? That was boring as hell after 90 seconds.

I think consistent SL video is only viable as a marketing vehicle for LL. In which case, it needs to be funded by some real dollars from Phil's wallet. A full-time video production Linden would be called for.

We'll see if they do the right thing or if video is just too cumbersome at the moment.

I'm all for entertainment, I'm glad they have dwell, and I'm glad people are encouraged to create popular attraction... I don't think that the Lindens throwing more money into the economy helps anyone or anything but the post count #'s of people who will ask "why is the value of the L$ going down?!?" next week.

oright so i can c what ur saying (after a long round about way). but again i gotta ask ... if u feel that strongly about it, y not take initiative 2 help ease the problem. y depend on linden?

I not only talked to one of them, I worked with one of them, and created a television show which I thought up off the top of my head, but ended up really, really wanting to do.

And I STILL really want to do it!

I can't do the technical part of it, though - I could only do the talent part of it. ("Talent" in the sense that TV directors and technician call the person in front of the camera "the talent".)

I heard that LL had given up on doing this. I would be happy to do that show, though, for anyone who came up with as far-reaching a TV station as LL was going to do. If you are wondering what would make that personally profitable to me - aside from any doubtless meager pay involved, it would have been a show which (a) I would have been very good at, and very involved in, and (b) it was related to my SL business, and so would have been advertising.

I still hope someone will do it, and I would offer my show to them, assuming it reached like more than a dozen people.

coco

My pride comes from results.

Saying that coco is very proud of her "little" houses in the way you did sounded really on the verge of contemptuous. this does too. I'm not sure if you mean to sound completely condescending or not. If this is what you meant to do, it's working.

I hate it when people use circular reasoning, exaggeration, character assault or other aggressive tactics when they can't admit that someone else may have a valid view. Just because you don't agree with Coco, Enabran, doesn't mean you have to put her down (IF that is what you intended to do). I assume you are intentionally doing this because you do seem to have a pretty good grasp of language and its effects.

I've seen one of Coco's houses and it was lovely: detailed and homey.

Because I'm not in this for the charity of it. Not only do I have to love doing whatever I choose to do, but it also has to pay off for me.

I would say that about any activity in ANY game/platform/okra.

As it is, I am doing something that is highly enjoyable and does pay off for me, and provides as much satisfaction in serving people as did running the game shows. (Albeit a different kind of satisfaction; there's no "on stage" to building houses.)

When I talk about giving a needed boost to entertainment/events, I'm not talking out of personal need. I'm happy doing what I am doing.

coco

Is it weird to get an IM calling for backup?



Thanks!

Enabran, I'm afraid your right. I can envision many "Real world" and "The apprentice" spin-offs that would be fairly interactive, could even have a "vote for which ending you want to see to this week's episode" thing, but yes, making it interactive much beyond that sort of thing... I definitely am all for post production and polishing it, I think everyone's jaw dropped when LL wanted us to stream hours of live content daily. I think it has the potential to be more than just marketing SL to external users, but then again I was pretty sure I'd see a lot more complete and polished machinima than I have in the last year. (No offense to billy Madison's wonderful tribute to Jeska Linden)

As does mine, Enabran. Really, I wouldn't continue on down this road, if I were you.

coco