Let's see....
While 1.9 did create some new bugs (i. e. JEVN vendors of which I was one of those who helped numerous people get their systems up and running again) it did fix some that were present prior to it's release. Of course, every version that has come out since I have been in SL (April 2005) has fixed bugs and created more.
Havok is coming sometime in the future, although I, for one, would rather see them use something else. Just because and exact date hasn't been set doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.
Philip is CEO and Founder of Linden Labs.
You -may- go and troll someone else now. Have a good day!
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Selene Gregoire
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04-11-2006 18:11
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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04-11-2006 18:23
Take your own advice
 You may go and troll somewhere else Selene.I'll take SL as not a game when it has no game elements. When I see havok2 (thats running on what? 2 years?) implemented..or better yet the newer version since the one they have been working on has been out and obselete so long it -no longer has tech support,- then maybe I'll reconsider. SL meets the definition of game.. so, to me, its a game. When i can fully believe what come out of Philip's mouth or fingers..then I'll believe it when he says its not a game. |
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Selene Gregoire
Eyes of the Wolf
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04-11-2006 18:49
It was not advice. You made a direct reply to me and you did so in your usual condescending, trolling manner. I've had worse trolls than you try to run me off of forums before. They didn't succeed and neither will you.
I did a little bit of surfing and came up with these definitions. According to what I found SL is NOT an RPG. At least not in the sense that most people think of RPG. It can be used for such purpose but was not intended to be an RPG. Computer role-playing games (CRPGs), often shortened to simply role-playing games (RPGs), are a type of video or computer game that traditionally use gameplay elements found in paper-and-pencil role-playing games. Modern RPG games encompass a wide range of styles and types of engines and have significantly branched out. RPG gameplay elements can be found in real-time strategy games, first-person shooters, third-person shooters, and some other types such as massively multiplayer online games. However, games that are actually called just 'RPG', are usually limited to top-down perspective point-and-click and some third-person perspective types. A computer game is a game composed of a computer-controlled virtual universe that players interact with in order to achieve a defined goal or set of goals. The term video game generally does not differ in meaning. A game is a recreational activity involving one or more players, defined by a) a goal that the players try to reach, and b) some set of rules that determines what the players can do. http://www.wordiq.com/ You have to ask yourself... is SL a game that either has a goal set for the players to reach or a set of rules that determines what players can do? I find the answer to be no. There is no set goal nor are there any rules other than the TOS (which is definately NOT a set of game rules) that any of us has to abide by. /108/c3/88624/8.html#post903936 _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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04-11-2006 18:51
Same could be said here.. worst trolls have tried to run me off, look on the land and economy. So no, your trolling won't get me to leave.
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Selene Gregoire
Eyes of the Wolf
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04-11-2006 19:05
Nice parroting.
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Eep Quirk
Absolutely Relative
Join date: 15 Dec 2004
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04-11-2006 19:06
First land parcels are almost always a crap shoot. It would be interesting to find out how many landowners in SL still have their first land parcel after 3 months, my guess is that the number is pretty small. It is easier to assume right from the start that you are going to resell your first land and buy with an eye towards resale value. First land gives you a sandbox to start playing in, it is there that you will meet with the reality of prim limits and start understanding how to live within your prim means. You will also get an idea of what you actually want to do on land, which doesn't always involve putting up a prefab house. Land is your space to create, which could be a house, a store, a garden, a medieval tower, a club, an airport, there are endless possibilities. People build underwater and people build in the sky, there are so many options and your only real limitation is prim allotments, which are based on how much land you own in a given sim. Buy your first land and play, that's what it's there for. You may decide to stay where you are at. You may decide that you don't want to own land at all and would rather rent in a zoned sim. You may decide that you want a bigger parcel in a nicer sim with more infrastructure. Until then I'd rather just build in sandboxes for free. |
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Selene Gregoire
Eyes of the Wolf
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04-11-2006 19:11
Let ME run a damn sim on MY QUITE capable system and simply pay a similar fee to that of Active Worlds' worlds, or something. Until then I'd rather just build in sandboxes for free. Oh hell yeah! I'd love to see LL do exactly that! That was one of the best things about AW. pffttt Sandboxes... ick. lol Tried them. Don't like them. I'll stick with building on "private" land. _____________________
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Frack Fackler
Registered User
Join date: 9 Apr 2006
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04-11-2006 21:29
Thanks to everyone who helped me out. Once I started exploring I found out that there actually are some decent areas on the mainland that are reasonably priced.
I found a nice stretch of land along the road in an area called "Hogback". Lots of trees, and it wasnt horribly priced (L$15,000 or so...which translated as $40+ for me, but I figure I'll only have to pay it once). Anyway, with a $40 investment, I will be here for a few months at the very least. I have spent the last 6 hours building my new property...this game (er..."platform"  is really addictive. Here is a picture of my property and initial construction: - http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7519/myplace0or.jpg - http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3520/myplace21xo.jpg Does anyone know how to make the trees stay straight? No matter what I do they keep leaning after a while. Is it just a byproduct of the way the engine renders them? |
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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04-11-2006 21:55
Thanks to everyone who helped me out. Once I started exploring I found out that there actually are some decent areas on the mainland that are reasonably priced. I found a nice stretch of land along the road in an area called "Hogback". Lots of trees, and it wasnt horribly priced (L$15,000 or so...which translated as $40+ for me, but I figure I'll only have to pay it once). Anyway, with a $40 investment, I will be here for a few months at the very least. I have spent the last 6 hours building my new property...this game (er..."platform" is really addictive. Here is a picture of my property and initial construction: - http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7519/myplace0or.jpg - http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3520/myplace21xo.jpg Does anyone know how to make the trees stay straight? No matter what I do they keep leaning after a while. Is it just a byproduct of the way the engine renders them? Wow! Great start for a house! I have the same tree problem as you do, people tell me it's the wind, but I straighten them anyways. It might be the wind though, they could line up straight after a while. _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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04-11-2006 23:09
Parroting? Hardly. Time to stop the troll feeding folks. You won't see me reply to Selene again.
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Musuko Massiel
Registered User
Join date: 4 Nov 2005
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04-12-2006 05:17
"I got free land with my premium account, and it came with 117 primitive limit free."
You had to pay for the premium account, you dippy mare. They're not free. They're just part of the package. Why should you get free roads? Besides, you already DO get free roads. There are some snaking about all over the place. More to the point, why should there be MORE free roads? Why should someone's beautiful medieval castle home be ruined by a stonking great modern road running through the middle of their land? That being said, it looks like you're well on the way to building a nice home. You can fix the trees a little: right click them, edit menu, click the "more" button, click the "object" tab, and in there look at the three numbers down in the rotation section. Change them all to 0. That'll straighten the tree up somewhat. However, they won't stop swaying in the wind, as that's part of their function. Remember, a $40 investment is less what you'd have to pay for the software to run most MMORPGs. Keep things in context when considering the costs of SL. Musuko. |
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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04-12-2006 06:24
this game (er..."platform" is really addictive. oh mans... I know. Here is a picture of my property and initial construction: - http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7519/myplace0or.jpg - http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3520/myplace21xo.jpg Does anyone know how to make the trees stay straight? No matter what I do they keep leaning after a while. Is it just a byproduct of the way the engine renders them? Looks like you scored a nice plot. Really nice. Good looking build too. Make sure your trees are all rotated to 0. if they still lean, 'tis the wind! _____________________
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Devlin Davis
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Join date: 28 Jun 2005
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04-12-2006 06:33
Thanks to everyone who helped me out. Once I started exploring I found out that there actually are some decent areas on the mainland that are reasonably priced. I found a nice stretch of land along the road in an area called "Hogback". Lots of trees, and it wasnt horribly priced (L$15,000 or so...which translated as $40+ for me, but I figure I'll only have to pay it once). Anyway, with a $40 investment, I will be here for a few months at the very least. I have spent the last 6 hours building my new property...this game (er..."platform" is really addictive. Here is a picture of my property and initial construction: - http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7519/myplace0or.jpg - http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3520/myplace21xo.jpg Does anyone know how to make the trees stay straight? No matter what I do they keep leaning after a while. Is it just a byproduct of the way the engine renders them? i was soo going to tell you that you don't know the game and should explore more..but i guess i decided to post too late for you have been trapped! have fun and enjoy lol |
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Frack Fackler
Registered User
Join date: 9 Apr 2006
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04-12-2006 07:37
That being said, it looks like you're well on the way to building a nice home. You can fix the trees a little: right click them, edit menu, click the "more" button, click the "object" tab, and in there look at the three numbers down in the rotation section. Change them all to 0. That'll straighten the tree up somewhat. However, they won't stop swaying in the wind, as that's part of their function. Just wanted to see if it was something obvious I was doing wrong. Remember, a $40 investment is less what you'd have to pay for the software to run most MMORPGs. My plot is close to the ocean, and it doesnt seem to be rendering water (although it does render the waves). Is this a known issue or is the problem maybe with my drivers? |
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Musuko Massiel
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Join date: 4 Nov 2005
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04-12-2006 08:14
"My plot is close to the ocean, and it doesnt seem to be rendering water (although it does render the waves)."
You'd have to take a screenshot for us to know exactly what you're talking about. The water will look different depending on whether you have "ripple water" turned on in the graphics settings. Musuko. |
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Isablan Neva
Mystic
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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04-12-2006 08:19
All the Linden-made trees and plants will sway in the wind. Resident made ones will not. I'll drop you a selection of both...
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Frack Fackler
Registered User
Join date: 9 Apr 2006
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04-12-2006 08:27
What do you mean by "resident made"? You mean custom objects made by players?
The trees I have placed were new...I deleted the ones that came with the property and placed my own. But the one's I placed were generic ones from the in-game editor. I am also really glad I bought a larger property. The room to use over double the primitives I could before is nice. Now I can use real stairs instead of ramps and I can use actual fences instead of blocks... When you buy a player made object, does it count as a single primitive or do all the primitives used to make it up still count as separate? |
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Troy McLuhan
Let's make it great
Join date: 17 Jul 2005
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04-12-2006 08:36
Hi Frack,
You asked: When you buy a player made object, does it count as a single primitive or do all the primitives used to make it up still count as separate? Player-made objects that are built out of more than one primitive will count as more than one primitive. For example, if a player-made plant was made out of 27 primitives, then it will count as 27 primitives on your land. Linden plants are special because each one only counts as one primitive. |
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Frack Fackler
Registered User
Join date: 9 Apr 2006
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04-12-2006 09:05
Yeah, I figured. Oh well....I can see why they would do it that way. It would be really easy to exploit and bypass the primitive limits and bog down the game engine otherwise.
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
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04-12-2006 10:38
I don't know if anyone has posted this on this thread or not... I admit I didn't read the whole thread.... just up to the part where the discussion concerned whether or not SL is a game. Anyway... the Man himself says it is not a game so I think that is what we should go by. /139/65/98819/1.html#post978622/139/65/98819/1.html#post978622 The 'man himself' says a LOT of things that are either meaningless PR, feel goodisms to placate the masses, or which get modified over time and/or are outright changed in later versions of the game. Of course, he's going to say its not a game...it looks more 'important' to be a CEO of a company founding a platform to create a virtual community than to be just another CEO of another game company. Same as a lot of the folks here so rabidly 'its not a game!' seem to be the ingame capitalists who's stores I recognize. For some, it sounds better to tell your friends 'well, I spend X hours on a virtual reality platform running my business and making RL Cash' than 'yes, I play this game and run an in-game business that also lets me make some extra money RL."There seems to be an inherent RL bias against anything that is entertainment or a game...like it somehow offends the modern ethic to have downtime or that you are somehow inferior to treat a game as a game instead of a second job. I for one, refuse to play semantics games and elevate SL to more than its actual status. It's a social game with a semi-stable client and a quasi-player-based economy, backed by a company that encourages mixing RL wealth with ingame status (unlike most game companies that actively discourage cash sales) for their own financial enrichment. SL...Kinda a frankenstein bastard child of MMORPGs and Adam Smith |
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
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04-12-2006 10:42
Oh hell yeah! I'd love to see LL do exactly that! That was one of the best things about AW. pffttt Sandboxes... ick. lol Tried them. Don't like them. I'll stick with building on "private" land. The Linden sandboxes are GREAT! If you happen to be wearing 15 shields and are VERY lucky. |
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
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04-12-2006 10:55
I will have to look for them tonight. So far all I have seen are the white trash newbie lots in the middle of fields, heh heh All that is missing is a car on blocks on my front lawn. The car on the lawn trailer-park look we most ALL Started out with, unless you come in with pre-existing friends that jump-start your knowledge. I remeber myself on my newbie 512 realizing that my first house I was building quickly hit the prim limit (never heard of prims before that message came up) and I reverted down to a cheap, low-prim box-house. As far as beautiful private sim(s), take a look at the Caledon sims run by Desmond Shang. Caledon, Caledon II and soon to be Caledon Highlands (where I have a 4096m lot reserved already  ). Victorian / steam era, beautiful architecture, period clothing available in stores, roads in Caledon and CII (Highlands will be wilderness estates). Even the vendors are themed for this era (no slutwear, sports cars, bling jewelry, etc). I sometimes ride around town on my horse (thank you for making those, Jesrad Seraph) anticipating my move-in. The people are very polite, very welcoming and quite accepting of polite visitors. I came in after a few bad experiences with themed sims and their residents, discovering people that were really nice to be around. No eta, but eventually I am told Port Caledon will be added as a new sim. Worth a look just for variety's sake. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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04-12-2006 11:57
Of course, he's going to say its not a game...it looks more 'important' to be a CEO of a company founding a platform to create a virtual community than to be just another CEO of another game company. Same as a lot of the folks here so rabidly 'its not a game!' seem to be the ingame capitalists who's stores I recognize.a frankenstein bastard child of MMORPGs and Adam Smith |
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George Flan
Registered User
Join date: 21 Sep 2005
Posts: 268
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04-12-2006 12:13
I know. How dare I want to enjoy the game, heh heh Um...yeah. As I recall I havnt complained about their pricing structure. Why are you so defensive? I'm not demanding the rest for free. I am demanding roads for free. Actually, come to think of it, I havnt "demanded" anything. Why are you exaggerating my argument? Frack, Welcome to SL! I love the roads too and just bought land (lease) on a nice themed island (Sim). They have roads and trees, beaches and all the things you are looking for. Look me up in-world some time and I will show you some thing that are wonderful and beautiful. Don't let Musuko discourage you. You will soon find out in the forums that there are some very nice people and then are those who use the forums to shoot down others just for whatever reason. Ignore those people, they are the ones who make this "game" unpleasant. Just put them on your ignore list. Have fun, enjoy the program and hope we get to meet one another in-world. I am a SL Mentor and have all kinds of things you can have for free that I have picked up in the past six months. |
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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04-12-2006 12:42
The Linden sandboxes are GREAT! If you happen to be wearing 15 shields and are VERY lucky. Or if, uh, you know, you just sit down when you build. _____________________
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