SLCC 2006: August 18-20th, San Francisco, Fort Mason Center!

The least amount of effort for whom? The Lindens? That is all well and good, but they are not putting on this event. I am also glad that you can speak for how easy it is for everyone to fly all over the place. Not everyone has the financial resources to fly cross country and stay in a hotel. By having it each year in a different city, it opens up opportunities for some people who could not attend the previous year for logistical, financial, or other reasons to potentially attend, which is a good thing for an event that is purported to be about the SL community. Just sticking it in SF every year doesn't serve the community particularly well, it is just convenient for LL, who actually do have the financial resources to go to an event that is about promoting them in the first place.

Opinion:

And since the Lindens are not putting on this event, but a group of residents is - why isn't this thread in the Real Life Meetups forum?

coco

But... it hasn't just been stuck in SF every year...

Last year was the 1st convention, it was in New York.
This is the 2nd convention, it is in San Francisco.
Next year will be the 3rd convention, it will be in _______________.

Ooohh, the temptation...!

This is true. It was in NY last year, will be in SF this year, and I'm assuming will be in held in Houston, Atlanta, Orlando or such to be convenient to those of us who live in the southern regions.

I'll still vote for Hong Kong though. HEY YOU ORGANIZER PEOPLE /waves if it's gonna be outside the US, I really do need six months notice to secure vacation time and plane tickets OKAY?

110,000 active accounts in the last 60 days. LEt's assume 20% of those are alts. 88,000 accounts, or "people", that could go to this con.

75% of the people are inside the US. 25% are elsewhere. 66,000 people in the United States.

Let's assume, for the sake of math, that the 75% of US players are equally distributed across the 48 contiguous states. That's 1,375 people per state, of all accounts in the US.

Assume maybe 10% of the total active population of SL would bother coming to a convention anywhere in the country. That's a very generous estimation of 8800 people. Assuming equal distribution, there's 183 people in each state that would want to go to SLCC.

So we should expect to shift around the convention to a multitude of different cities, states, regions, and convention centers for the benefit of under 200 people a year?

Why not just keep it in one place to get the kinks worked out, to ensure the SLCC spot isn't booked, to make organization easier, and so on?

No one ever said that it was going to be in San Fran every year or that we will never ever poll the community on location. My guess is next year it will be somewhere else. Where is anyones guess? What it boils down to in choosing a location for future reference is having someone on the main organizing committee that lives in or near that city to scout out locations and make connections. If say next year, Atlanta is chosen as the location via community polling and no one that lives in Atlanta volunteers to help out then the people on the organizing committee are going to have to take an out of pocket trip to Atlanta to speck out locations and stuff and make a lot of best guesses.

We really didn't have a choice last year. It was pretty much NYC or bust! Luckily 4 out of the 5 lead organizers lived in the tri-state area so meeting with the people from the New York Law School and specking out the spaces were not big problems.

On the San Fran location issues, having it in San Fran opens up several opportunities for potential *big name* speakers who would otherwise charge a fortune for a speaking engagement cross country. There was one person that was approached, who requested a rather large honorarium that we could not afford at the time. My guess is this year since the person is local we could have a better chance of having them speak at the convention. So, its not just that Linden Lab is central to the bay area, there are other factors at play.

-me

For those too busy/lazy/disinterested/etc to actually look at the preceding original posts, SanFran is a bad decision for a very simple reason - it's been done, it will be done, and as long as LL is there, it will always be done. SanFran is more than adequately serviced with other SL-related events, and as such it makes no sense to further focus yet another convention in that area.

If the SLC is trying to be community oriented, then at the very least a discussion of the potential locations would have taken place, and from that it would have been made clear that the 'logical choice' would have been clearly the least-beneficial choice to the community at large. However, that opportunity wasn't given, and the opportunity to bring the community together was wasted in preference to bring together a subcommunity that already has more than adequate opportunity to do so. That's not a very community-oriented attitude in my opinion.

That's basically my stand on the matter. I'm hoping next year lessons will be learned from this travesty and the SLC can actually live up to their self-titled name of SLCC.


- Newfie

I'm sorry Khamon. I am hijacking SLCC 2007 and moving it to the Death Star. Yes, the Death Star.

Thats no moon that the SLCC 2007.

I was responding to Lordfly's statement that it should be in SF every year.

Again, I was responding to Lordfly saying that it should be in SF every year from now on.

You know what they say about assumptions. Again, Lordfly, you can extrapolate statistics out your ass, it doesn't change the fact that having it in different locations does open up the potential for people to attend who otherwise might not have been able to the previous year. A great example of that was Pendari last year. She was able to go because of donations so that she could fly from Atlanta to NYC. Had it been in SF at the time, it would have been financially out of reach for her. Now the same will be true for people coming to SF this time, and that is great - that is my point - having it in different locations is a good thing.

Can we have it in San Diego next year?

Can we go to the nude beach?

Darlin, you do NOT want to see this old lady sans clothing.

Now if YOU want to disrobe, I'll gladly lead the way and oggle. w/e

BOOM. Digeridoo has a POSSE!

/BushidoBrown/

Will you be wearing your Xcite parts? I wonder if the beach has a rule against littering with green text.

We have plenty of those here in SF

This thread needs more cowbell

Wow, conference organization causing despair. I've never seen *that* happen with conferences before. /me falls over. (Actually, 'conference organization despair' is on page 35, paragraph 2 of your manuals. Quiz later)

On a less snarky note, I live here-ish in the bay area and am stoked that I get to hang with many of youse guys (crikey, community!) who's coming out to our humble ol' stompin grounds. My first SL/RL event was partying it up in Austin at SXSW. Sorta wish I was aware of SL sooner so I coulda cruised on out to NYC. But eh, maybe next year.

And yeah, I'll take Miami, although I think Detroit has waaaaay better texture inspiration goin on.


-Spin/Eric

I am with you on the one trinity.san diego would be great.

Hell i'd even settle for LA.

Can you name another time a general-interest SL convention was held in San Francisco in the last five years?

I'll wait. take your time.

To further beat your analogy, Detroit has more than enough automobile-related conventinos going on every month. Therefore, car affecionados should hold their conventions somewhere "more accessible" -- like Topeka, Kansas, which is not only not known for cars, but is a thousand miles out from Detroit.

And we mustn't forget the people who drive cars in Alaska, so the next North American Car Show will be held in Point Barrow, Alaska! Bring your parkas.




o rly.

Alright, smartiepants, based on This map , please determine the "most beneficial" place for SL residents to throw a con.

Go on, take your time. I'll wait.

Ah, but you'll simply reply "but that's not a proper statistical sampling of the SL residentbase!" and dodge the question. Nevermind the fact that ANY discussion taking place on SLCC is going to be skewed heavily for the people that actually want to go. nevermind the fact that any discussion is going to be biased one way or another. It's simply impossible to take a "proper" statistical sampling of anything in SL, unless you include all 110,000 active accounts, which isn't going to happen.

What discussino would take place? Let me give you a hypothetical cliff's notes.

SLCC ORganizers: Okay, guys, let's figure out where we should have SLCC.
Everyone: My hometown.
SLCC Organizers: well, that won't work, because everyone has a different hometown...
Everyone: THIS IS UNFAIR AND BLATANT BIAS TOWARDS SAN FRANCISCO YOU PIG FUCKERS
SLCC Organizers: *sigh*

How remarkably productive. Everyone with two cents to contribute would say the largest metro city closest to them, and thus the discussion would rage for the next 5-6 weeks. Meanwhile, nothing's being done on actually organizing the con.

So while the residents bicker over the actual location (which is irrelevent, again, due to PLANES), the SLCC con doesn't happen because 2 people living in Anchorage are talking the most.



What sub-community? CAre to elaborate? Is it "Flipper and FriendS?" is it the FIC? Is it "everyone but Newfie?" Please, explain.



If SLCC 2007 isn't held in your home town, you'll throw the same temper tantrum you're throwing this year.

I'm over it.

I'll see everyone else at SLCC.

Atlanta, Georgia to San Francisco, California: $358 roundtrip
Hotel Costs for five days: $303
Total: $661

Atlanta, Georgia, to New York, New York: $228 roundtrip
Hotel costs for five days: $990
Total: $1218