Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

If it all goes down the crapper I'll just not spend any more money on SL. Basically make it into a chat game and take my serious business elsewhere.

Katt, please be careful about aksing people not to advertise your comeptitors. IMVU lost millions when they tried to say No advertising our competitors on our forums. Look up anti trust/anti monopoly. I dont want to see that happen for LL. Of course if LL lsot millions over their Openspace decisions i wouldn't cry too much though i would feel bad for msot of the employees there that got hurt by it. Thank you.

OK Jack and M,

You can easily see from the above posts that delaying things a few months and changing names will not be sufficient. I will leave out the details as they are immaterial.

If You want to retain your current customer base a new plan is in order. I ask You to do this with much haste, as the situation deteriorates rapidly.

You are now in the position to "win us back". I wholeheartedly hope You can.

Alisha

As has been stated, the bare facts of this action appear to be a typical "bait and switch" con game. The Federal Trade Commission has already been contacted (and agree), of course they can not do anything until the action becomes a fact.
My advice, is to save your breath. As you can see from the proposed "solution" that nothing is, or will change. Hold on to your land, wait until the price goes up, then contact the FTC and the Better Business Buero. Let LL try to explain to a judge why.........
Just my two cents, but personally I think it is worth a couple hundred US$ in tier just to see LL brought to reason. And you never know.....after that debicle in California about gambling..........

Over the past year I have amassed apprx 140,000 sq.m with the hopes of building and renting out houses...my one concern over the open spaces has been people buying these spaces and renting them out to new people at what appears to be a great price, partially because the openspacers/homesteaders are paying less for the land and prims from the beginning. It gives them an unfair advantage over those of us that pay full price for mainland or island land. And thus, has reduced the demand for our land and rentals. I would hope that you take this into consideration. Otherwise I and others might be inclined to sell all of our Mainland properties ....buy homestead property and make more $L.
I think a solution might be to restrict rentals on any homestead property, i.e.- a homested should be just that, a homested. Mainland property, in order to reatin it's value, should have a maked advantage over Homested property if land values are going to be maintained. And beleive me, it's tough to sell land out there now...while competing with the openspaces...especially for the new or uneducated buyer who does not realize the restricted prims available to him.
Would love to hear what others have to say about this topic...please respond!

Just as a matter of interest what do you charge for your mainland plots.........and are they in decent areas or is it the usual ugly unsitely mess of mainland.........because to be honest in my opinion mainland is way overpriced for what it is.

Just my opinion........I moved away from it because it was unsitely and laggy

Was just informed by my landlord that my house is actually in an OpenSpace.

Imagine my joy.

So. Clearly I was not told when I bought the property. Now I'm faced with significant increases in my 'tier'. The landlord is going to absorb some of the increase over the next few months, but I was at the top of what I could justify. Now I'm holding a property for which I can not hope to recover my initial investment.

Who's to blame? Me first of all, I guess. I trusted the seller and I should not have.

Secondly, I guess I'll blame bad management decisions on the part of Linden Labs. Pity. They had a good idea originally. But I get to hold the bag... I guess I BOUGHT the bag.

Bittersweet. In the end the reality is that the space I want is just beyond my means. I made some interesting friends in SL. Learned some "valuable lessons about life" as well.

See you around, I guess.

Arrow Hand

Do you really think that Jack Linden is making these policies? He's in the unfortunate position of having a job that requires him to implement them and take continual shit from angry residents.

I'm quite upset about the "new and improved" openspace plan, too, but it is not Jack Linden's fault.

I can't determine from your posting if you're selling or renting mainland.

As defined so far, a homestead sim owner must own a full sim. So, are you proposing that a full sim owner should not be able to rent out their homestead sims to other residents?

And when you're saying that mainland property needs to have a marked increase in value, are you comparing a full mainland region to a homestead region?

Firelight

As I have mentioned very often this is one problem no one is talking about.........OS sims were sold/rented out by a minority of estates without informing people what they were actually buying.......and to be honest to the normal resident........its an island......they don't read knowledgebase......or wiki......or blogs......

Now all of a sudden the truth is coming out...........if this issue of price hike by LL hadn't come about most like Arrow would still be none the wiser.

Can you please explain that to me Jack? Thanks...

xxxx: Hello Equinox_Pinion, thank you for contacting us. I may be talking to multiple people at the same time, so please describe your issue in detail, and I will be with you shortly.

Equinox_Pinion: Hi xxxx, i am just writing a note to my OS residents who have a whole OS..my questions is...if someone decides to change to a 750 prims sim and just put a tiki, 10 palms and his dog on it...can a couple live on that sim?

xxxx: They can, as long they don't go over the the allotted number of scripts (which will be determined and announced soon).

Well, now Linden is planning to change the viewer to show these things. They could have changed the viewer first so residents had ample opportunity to learn about it.

Firelight

Arrow was I'm assuming happy with his plot at the time though? We don't know if he was experiencing issues. Personally I've always advertised an openspace as a low use solution. I point this out but Arrow's complaint seems to be he can't afford the hike, not that he couldn't use his sim.

And what then is the real difference? A person in SL finds property they like, with the number of prims they need, at a price they can afford. They purchase or rent, and build thier world.

To the average SL resident, it makes no difference what type of server it is.

This could be the same deal had LL decided to increase the tier on Full prim sims 67%. People would be just as outraged, would feel just as cheated, and be saying the same thing. "Why wasnt I TOLD this was a full prim sim?"

So dont try and place this on the large majority of the Estate owners out there, had they KNOWN that LL was going to make this move, Most would have approached this in a different manner.

Where are M and Jack? Off at the spa? Or off at the bar?

So many posts since I last logged in

I assume the greedy lindens haven't had a change of heart since I was last here.

They're off spending your hard earned cash and rubbing their hands together at the thought of all the extra cash they think they're about to swindle from us.

Your perfectly right Ciaran..............its not the issue of if it was usable or not and yes he obviously was happy with it............my point is just that some........admitted only a small minority of estates........did market OS just as islands/sims..........saying they could be used for any use etc..............no mention that they were Openspace.

But at the end of the day doesn't really matter now because everyone is getting ripped off by LL

There is a whole lot of ninja editing/moderating happening here. Just thought I would point that out.

Very valid point Firelight

Yes..editing is like the putting lipstick on a pig thing lol

"Your world, Your Imagination"

How? I'm getting a little lost these days. This is sounding kind of like the old saw "the holy roman empire was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire".

Your implies it is mine. What's mine? Even if I buy land, what is really mine? You can make it anything you like, heck, you even can even take it away from me.

World? How is it a world? The land isn't "land", it is server resources rented by the month under terms that can change from tier cycle to tier cycle.

So, it's really something like:

"Our Server Resources, Your Imagination".

That's more like it. Their resources, sold on the merits of our creations.

I could and have lived with that until now. But now they've shown that they really don't respect us beyond what we can do for them. They will even play the shell game with "our land", which isn't really land anyway, it's just server resources. The Lindens we make are theirs, the "land" we earn is theirs.

In the end, after all the bait and switch discussion, I have realized that it is OUR bait. We bait, they switch. Makes me weepy. Last week I had this neat world full of creative people to go to. Now it is a bunch of servers. Kudos, LL, this is a great outcome for you.

I hope the little roll of cash you made over the summer was worth this.

I agree with you Sonja and there are other practices I see that I'm not exactly happy to see land owners engaging in but I don't want to drag the whole thread off topic...not that that's likely with the speed of posts here, but still another time for that because there's plenty I could say

Not such an "open" open forum i would guess then

Couldn't agree more ...........maybe time to discuss that when this is all over......if any of us are still around then