Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Well some of us are here to do just that, but they specifically stayed away knowing they're guilty I guess, so we end up having to spank the fan-boys instead.

It has to do with my asking you what kind of policies they had, and your going ballistic about how horrible Second Life is in response. Oh, and your confusion about what DRM referred to, which took several exchanges to set right, even though I'd explicitly pointed out that what you were talking about wasn't DRM.
That is technically called "Linden Labs told a fib".

Can you elaborate on their policies, then? I'm really not interested in the details of their technology, I'm interested in whether they're going to embrace user created content the way Second Life does, or whether they're more a gaming platform where the content you have available to you at any time depends on the game (region, whatever) you're in.

Also, you didn't really provide much (if any) in the way of new details. Most of the stuff you were talking about was public information on their site. I've already read that.
That's actually been implemented in SL.

i agree that there was an intended use, but these were also only guidlines to follow not rules. When these open sims were purchased the description stated that LL would not take responsibility for issues affecting these sims if an error occurred. Most of us knew that and accepted that. we took extra care because of this, any little glitch, had a restart, any lag, i reduced the scripts or prims in the area. Their wording in the original instance of the purchase of the sims is a major issue for me. So what, not everyone just put trees and water on the openspace sims, but OMG we created some really pretty places. people did have mostly tranquil environments with a home there. now just abandoned sims everywhere and things having to be deleted its so sad.

It is, and Linden Labs position on what you can do on OpenSpaces/Voids/Homesteads has been all over the place. I *think* I understand why they're being so corporate about it and refusing to admit they screwed up, and I guess I was expecting too much when I thought they might apologize, but it's still a shame.

I see, so for those who work their butts off here to earn a real life living don't really need it? We don't run around dancing in clubs and playing with sex beds - we really do work...a strange concept for most I know but the arguement that we don't *need* it is rather short sighted. Without a job, it's rather hard to get those essentials in life....food, shelter etc

You're *providers of* luxury goods.

i can see a whole other argument starting, for some people this is the only thing that keeps people connected to others, disabled etc.there are a number of reasons why SL is important to people and creating there little piece of happiness here is sometimes all they have. i have very close friend here who cant walk, he lives here as a walking person in a "normal" as possible life, noone judges him or sees the disability. if he lost his identity or his land here, woould probably break him

If you manage to make a living in SL, you'll be able to do so without OSS aswell, or with a modified version of them. They aren't well used until pretty recently and looking at your join date you're around a lot longer than that so I guess you can say yourself you made a living without OSS.
And this isn't a very good platform for steady business, some people get rich, others make pocketmoney or play the game for what it is, a game (a special one yes).
I'll hope you manage to continue making a living here, but you are representative of such a small group (making a living in SL either easily or barely, doesn't matter), you can't expect LL to fulfill your every need, annoying as that might be.

OK, fair enough, there are a few people for whom SL is if not a necessity at least more than just a luxury.

Well i'm happy for your friend and for others who can have a normal life in SL, but when I joined, and that's not that long ago, most people didn't own islands and hardly anybody heard of OSS. For fun you went exploring or you'd meet in a particular place. Building? um where have the sandboxes gone? Having your own land is a nice extra, but you can have a great time in here without it.






More opinions while i'm at it:

Privacy? *coughs* turn off your computer
Building on your own and you don't care if anyone sees it? Get a (free) 3d program, much more stable/realistic etc.
Too expensive per prim? Get a piece of island, get a piece of mainland even, cheaper, better performance
You can't stand the game anymore? Join another platform, but you'll have to adjust, there is NO competition on the residents content creation abilities

Everybody,

This has been a very robust thread with a lot of dialog and back and forth. I've kept up with all the posts as you've shared them. Since most were specific to the price change, I thought Jack -- the person responsible for Land here at Linden Lab -- would be the best person to answer them.

In addition to the posts here, I have gotten a lot of emails and note cards from residents with many thoughts, ideas, concerns, some anger and frustration but also messages of hope and support. Thank you all for sharing your views so profusely!

There is a lot of feedback that will be very useful as we evolve our land product further.

Thank you again for sharing your thinking and your feelings.

Best,

M Linden.

and when can we expect Jack to show?

But nothing short of Grandfathering people who already bought the product you willingly sold them, or refunding the setup fees they paid if they return the OS to you in the next 2 months, will be fair. If you want to recategorize OS into Void and Homestead, fine. But we paid good money to you when you really needed it, and now we rightfully expect either what we paid for, or a refund.

I like SL and want to see it succeed. But not like this. If you cannot deal in good faith with your current customers, don't be surprised if you find businesses to be leery of you in the future.

You're kidding us. You've kept up with all the posts as we shared them ... but never saw Jack wasn't posting and never asked him too get in here?

Can we expect further reviews of the latest OS pricing structure?

And is grandfathering being considered?

YAY finally M has replied .... keep it up guys i am sure jack will respond when we have 5000+ posts.

We're going to close this discussion down now. Thanks for all the ideas and feedback everyone. While we obviously can't implement everything that's been asked for, we're glad to have the opportunity to hear from you and we'll keep doing the best we can to address your concerns.