Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden
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Jeep Tenk
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11-11-2008 14:09
From: Argent Stonecutter I should have signed off with "Death to Vermin!". D'Joan, C'Mell, E'Telikeli, Think Blue, Count Two, Look for a Red Shoe, the Game of Rat and Dragon, the Dead Lady of Clown Town, Scanners Live in Vain, Mother Hittons Littul Kittons... oooh, time to make a mink avatar wearing a straightjacket. Especially an insane mink - mmm 
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Jeep Tenk
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11-11-2008 14:21
From: Argent Stonecutter I should have signed off with "Death to Vermin!". D'Joan, C'Mell, E'Telikeli, Think Blue, Count Two, Look for a Red Shoe, the Game of Rat and Dragon, the Dead Lady of Clown Town, Scanners Live in Vain, Mother Hittons Littul Kittons... oooh, time to make a mink avatar wearing a straightjacket. Not to forget 'The lady who sailed the soul'- Helen America & Mr. Gray NoMore, Lady Panc Ashash and Lord Sto Odin and the CongoHelium - that man was brilliant...
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Coventina Dalgleish
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Curious
11-11-2008 15:04
I noticed that the blog has been shut down except for a very few posts. Is this perhaps because the entire world can see it while only members can view the forum? Very strange as the Linden prize announcement only has eleven posts before shut down.
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Viktoria Dovgal
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11-11-2008 15:10
From: Coventina Dalgleish I noticed that the blog has been shut down except for a very few posts. It wasn't actually open for comments at all, those are trackbacks from other blogs etc. From: someone Is this perhaps because the entire world can see it while only members can view the forum? That idea has been mentioned before, but there really aren't any barriers at all to becoming a member. Any one at all who wants to see the comments or leave one, can. From: someone Very strange as the Linden prize announcement only has eleven posts before shut down. That one also wasn't really "shut down", it wasn't open for comments in the first place. Those are trackbacks.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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11-11-2008 15:48
I hope we will not see next week the following scenario in blog-medias around the world:
'A force of 600 Ruths captured the avatar of M Linden in a raid on Saturday night under an isolated Archer-House at Help Island, Residents Ruths officials said today. The former CEO-Avatar was found, haggard and disoriented but alive, hiding at the bottom of an 8-foot-deep hole under the famous Archer-House on one of the Help Islands.
Avatar M Linden was armed with a melon-primgun at the time of his capture, but he offered no resistance and not one melon was fired in the operation, Ruths officials said.
Ruths authorities, along with members of the SL Sailing Council, said they were convinced that the captive was Avatar M Linden, in part because of positive rezz tests, and described him as a talkative man who seemed alternately resigned to his fate and belligerently defensive about his 1/2 year in power. "He was unrepentant and even defiant,'' said ******** ********, the elder states avatar of the Ruth Council and one of four members who were ferried by prim-helicopter today to the secret landmark where Avatar M Linden was held.
'He tried to justify himself by saying he was a just and firm ruler' - end of scenario.
----This would be headlines, we do not wish to see here about our nice alternative cartoon civilisation.
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Akko Yoshikawa
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Bye poor residents
11-11-2008 16:00
From: Katt Linden [Read the new announcement and talk it over here, thanks!]
A Letter to Second Life Residents
M Linden here. Many thanks to everyone who responded constructively with their concerns and suggestions about our Openspaces announcement. We’ve listened carefully and your feedback has led to some amendments to our original plan. I noticed it. In this one week. M Linden says. Leave or die the poor Openpace residents. I understood it. From messages of Linden Lab. The sea is wasted, too. The mountain is wasted, too. The all the members who thought indulgently are bad. Many weak resident will die. Linden Lab does not demand the rational reform. A change to intense society of the competition. I am strong. I survive. Strong economy is demanded. It is gap-widening society itself here. Please become strong. An answer is not possible for my suggestion. The reason is because it is pounding essence. Nobody is excited at Linden Prize whether it is playing to the gallery. It finishes cooling down. Why does the Linden lab do a very cool plan? Did Somebody lose originality? Who is it to have lost originality? The in world which cannot go to the space though it is the 21st century. Inworld is small. Like imagination of common. When the land without the value of low Residents of the level should disappear. I heard so it. A message of Linden Lab. Please do not make an island with jokes. Openspaceowner must be do it more for half a year at least. Is your act a thing without the value that much? There should not be the nonsense play with sand anymore. I agree to Linden Lab about it, too. Please play OpenLife or Open SIM at your PC. Please become homeless in SL. The loser of the second Life will leave. The splendid economic world by Linden. An intellectual level seems to have been too high in my suggestion. A meaning of my suggestion seemed not to be able to understand them. My thought level is beyond Linden Lab; and was too high. The Linden lab seems not to be able to conduct a I am high business. A fashion, gardening, love, the place offer of the playing house. I seem to have been satisfied in this range. I am disappointed. Lowness of the originality. It is the interesting world for me. However, many residents leave. You please raise price Land in world. Did Linden Lab take a policy of the Japanese government 40 years ago into account? A road, coastal line construction, the cleaning..... A reason to do in a depopulated area. The understanding is not possible. However, it will be a good thing. It should follow that I am excited. Thanks M Linden and Linden Labs. SLZIN HLDGS.Japan / Akko Yoshikawa
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Alvari Decosta
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Lol
11-11-2008 16:26
From: Michelle Thurston You're missing the point. Yes, some communities will disappear, but a lot won't, and new things are always going to come up and take their place. Not everybody gets spooked so easily. Not everybody has a business model that can't handle a little challenge. The strong, and the smart, are going to survive. My point was if the first island price increase (and subsequent new continents, and Nautilus and Bay City, and even Openspaces caused a little worry) didn't kill the land market like everybody said it would, and the gambling ban and the banking ban didn't kill the economy like it was supposed to, and copybot didn't kill content creation like it was supposed to, or the dozen other minor things that everybody gets in a snit over day in and day out hasn't done it either, THIS isn't going to be the one that finally does the place in.
Unless you want it to, but if you're (not you personally Alvari, the general 'you') that convinced the world is about to end, what are you still doing HERE on the forum whining about it?
But where ARE these alternatives? Name me an upcoming virtual world that's a point-for-point equivalent of Second Life. And you're not allowed to say Open Life. I know all about Open Life. I have an account there, I think it's cool, and very exciting conceptually, and I'd like to do some work there if I can get some time away from, you know, projects with economic potential, but it's not YET (yet) an 'alternative'. You are a funny person LOL... Let me try to correct you: The Strongs and the smarts will... not be cheated again by LL. Little changes... for kids with rich parents. Spooked so easily... You right on that. Why are we so afraid to continue giving our money to LL? We must be dumb and weak minded. LOL blá blá blá... copybot... etc, etc, etc... They dont end with the copybots because 30% or more of the online users are bots. Well... for what i read on ur post the only thing i can conclude is that u are not a creater and u dont have OS. Ty anyway for ur replays.
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Michelle Thurston
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11-11-2008 16:34
What's the Portuguese for 'Self-Deluding Troll'?
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Michelle Thurston
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Alright, let's pick out the one bit worth a reply
11-11-2008 16:40
From: Alvari Decosta Well... for what i read on ur post the only thing i can conclude is that u are not a creater and u dont have OS.. All I do is create and run businesses. Of course I don't have any OpenSpaces. I apparently understood what they were for and determined they weren't suitable for my needs.
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Alvari Decosta
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Really?????
11-11-2008 16:49
From: Michelle Thurston All I do is create and run businesses. Of course I don't have any OpenSpaces. I apparently understood what they were for and determined they weren't suitable for my needs. Really, but really u dont have an OS???? Who would guess that!!! You understood what they were for? Like Jack said in 2006 they were private sims and, yes we could build houses and businesses there?
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Shibari Twine
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11-11-2008 16:59
From: Pantaiputih Korobase I would have expected some reaction from the propanication minister Katt: at least some statement like 'OOOOOOOOOO we are overwhelmed by your constructive, creative, interesting, excited responses about our new pricing model. We are so excited by what you say and propose. Please understand that we need to calm down a little to check out your opinions and come back to you with some popcorn and drink very soon'. OFF: Katt to Jack: should we tell them that we won't change the new pricing model? Jack to Katt: I think, your statement is brilliant, I know, you are an excellent communicator, in my opinion, we should not tell them that we will not change the new pricing model, you know, we still have to figure out if one or two scripts are allowed on a SIM. Katt to Jack, ooooooooo, ok, I see, so let's not disclose the next steps. Jack to Katt: no, keep it open, keep it vague, M told me this is the best way to do. Katt to Jack: JAck, yes, you are soo right, and M is so right, let's not disclose all, transparency is not good for residents anyway. Jack to Katt: I agree though I am not sure atm if M is always right. Katt to Jack: oooo, you have some doubts about M and our company? Jack grabs some popcorn and leaves the stage. Katt tries a TP and failes, tries it again and arrives without hair at M'S office. No one there............... OMG You are Katt's Alt! Well you must be as you use the same cliches she does. /me starts singing a old beer song (to the tune of a Christmas Hymn) "Why are we waiting, why are we waiting, why are we waiting oh why oh why" Almost Wednesday M and we are still waiting on you to live up to your promise as expoused in the thread title and "TALK WITH US"
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Shibari Twine
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11-11-2008 17:04
Hmm, I wonder if "TALK WITH US M" would fit as a group tag.
If a large population of SL started walking around with "TALK WITH US M" over their heads, if we send photos of vast numbers of people with this tag to the media, if we blog the photos on our blogs... let the world know how this is going...
After all if the rage is contained in just this forum (no google indexing, no wide exposure) then their brand won't be soiled as much as if we head out into the "blogosphere" and start telling it like it is.
Trackbacks are enabled on the Linden Prize... If you don't know how to do that... all you need to do to get an entry is write a wordpress blog post with the link to the linden blog you want your trackback to show on with some choice words very close to the link and it shows up.
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Michelle Thurston
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11-11-2008 17:04
From: Alvari Decosta Really, but really u dont have an OS???? Who would guess that!!!
You understood what they were for? Like Jack said in 2006 they were private sims and, yes we could build houses and businesses there? You say that like it's a bad thing. I see it as a very good thing. They didn't exist in 2006, my newest friend. And yes, apparently I had some twisted understanding of the purpose of opensims that led me NOT to get utterly screwed over. Sorry about that.
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Shibari Twine
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11-11-2008 17:30
From: Michelle Thurston They didn't exist in 2006, my newest friend. Sorry Michelle, you are wrong. http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/09/21/information-about-openspaces-void-regions/I got my first one in February 2007 and have "Lived on them" ever since as a private residence. Average population of all my openspaces? 1 person. Me.
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Michelle Thurston
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11-11-2008 17:38
It's been known to happen. I just remember them coming to commercial prominence about the time I was running a mall and retail arm for a big land guy, and having all these talks about them (including, oddly enough, why it was utterly stupid to even consider moving our mall to one), and he was vaguely worried about what they meant for business when renters started jumping ship to them. This was Dec 2007 through about March 2008. Update: Ok, so the initial blog post was 9/21/06, but you don't hear anything about them again until 3/7/08 (the ill-fated prim increase)
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Ciaran Laval
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11-11-2008 17:52
From: Michelle Thurston Update: Ok, so the initial blog post was 9/21/06, but you don't hear anything about them again until 3/7/08 (the ill-fated prim increase) The blog post was a clarification. They arrived in May 2006 but I think they may have been around prior to that. There's a bit of early controversy about their appearance.
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Von Johin
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11-11-2008 21:39
I abandoned three of my four Open Space sims following this announcement. Good move there, Jack and M! Ya'll just lost more than $2k a year from me alone with this bonehead move.
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Svar Beckersted
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11-11-2008 22:50
From: Ciaran Laval The blog post was a clarification. They arrived in May 2006 but I think they may have been around prior to that. There's a bit of early controversy about their appearance. The very first void sims were the Channel Island sims around the Hollywood sim. Ask Nber Medici when she took delivery of them. They were in place when I joined in April 2006 and I planned to buy 4 in the fall of 2006 but waited until about February because of the price rise from $1250 to $1675 for sims that were hosted on class 5 servers. That price rise occurred in the fall of 2006.
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Korncob Jigsaw
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11-11-2008 22:56
Islands Added Islands Owned Islands Added Month (End of Month) (During Month) November 2008 - MTD 26172 -367 October 2008 26539 1045
That's 367 island lost (not including ones that were bought) when there were 1045 bought in october, that's a rather large loss and linden can expect to see even more negatives for the coming months...
Though in my honest opinion they aren't going to lose second life altogether nor are they going to lose a big portion of their population, they are (and have) lost a good handful and in the end it will add up but either way they will make more money than before.
That's business, it's a poor way to treat your customers, but that's the way they went..but to have the balls to blame it on the customers' themselves for this price increase is just flat-out wrong.
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Torben Trautman
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11-11-2008 23:18
From: Korncob Jigsaw Islands Added Islands Owned Islands Added Month (End of Month) (During Month) November 2008 - MTD 26172 -367 October 2008 26539 1045
That's 367 island lost (not including ones that were bought) when there were 1045 bought in october, that's a rather large loss and linden can expect to see even more negatives for the coming months...
Though in my honest opinion they aren't going to lose second life altogether nor are they going to lose a big portion of their population, they are (and have) lost a good handful and in the end it will add up but either way they will make more money than before.
That's business, it's a poor way to treat your customers, but that's the way they went..but to have the balls to blame it on the customers' themselves for this price increase is just flat-out wrong. That´s an awesome trend. So instead of adding an average of 34 Sims per day the Lab now looses around 74 Sims per day (=1045/31+367/9)... If the trend continues and by the end of the month they lost over 2k islands maybe the server load is easier to handle. By the way: In the company I work at, people that provide such miracles are fired.
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Roisin Hotaling
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11-12-2008 00:09
From: Inara Pey ...that people are falling so blatantly for this ploy. It's probably fair to say LL have played somewhat fast and loose and got precisely what they wanted. Forget the hype over the original 66% tier hike - that was never going to happen in one bite, and they knew it. As others have said, the OS bonanza has resulted in what can only be called a bait-and-switch policy on the part of LL, and now people are seeing the "hike" reduced (INITIALLY) to a "mere" 15%, they're happy to accept. Bravo, Mark et al! You've achieved what you set out to do, and what I suspect you wanted to do from the start - introduced yet another tier level, a "new" form of sim, got residents to readily accept it AND managed to portray yourselves as "listening" and "responding". All through announcing what you knew would be an unacceptable hike in OS tiers.... I wonder if people would have accepted this "new" plan, Homestead sims, et al, if, rather than just announcing the so-called 66% hike back on the 28th October, Jack had simply posted what is in Mark Kingdon's "letter" to start with? Somehow, I doubt it. The furore would have been as strong and LL would have had nowhere to go. But now, through the clever baiting over the 66% hike, LL can sit back in the knowledge that most people will say, "thank you" and "well done!" in the mistaken belief they've been listened to and that they have "won". This is exactly what I've been thinking; this was a strategic, manipulative ploy.
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AzA Zymurgy
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It will be your turn next....
11-12-2008 00:45
From: Michelle Thurston You say that like it's a bad thing. I see it as a very good thing.
They didn't exist in 2006, my newest friend. And yes, apparently I had some twisted understanding of the purpose of opensims that led me NOT to get utterly screwed over. Sorry about that. I don't know you and i'm not flaming or trolling. BUT What is to stop Linden Lab doing the same to you (I'm assuming you have private sims here) AND Where is your empathy for the people that have been "screwed over", you should post all your business interests in SL if you are not so concerned over others welfare, because you see, these people that you mock for being misled by LL are most likely those same people that pay your Tiers, buy your products ect. A little empathy goes a long way. PS still waiting for some word from M and Jack and LL et al....... *crickets*
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Coventina Dalgleish
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OSS was never suitable
11-12-2008 03:04
OSS was never suitable for operating any business I often wonder where the idea came from that you could run a business on a sim that has a hard time supporting more than 3 people at one time. As far as you who just abandoned your open spaces that seems like a rather rash move not supported by clear thought converting 4 of them into a solid full Island seems to me to be the logical choice, but then there seems to be little logic in this game from the users to the management. Honestly all you who just let them go it seems that LL is quite backed up in the conversion process at least 6 days, from what I have seen. This thread has deteriorated into a morass of multi repeats and has little merit to keep following.
Yes go ahead and flame me but take a look at it another place to avoid from now on and just get back to the business.
I said bye once before now I will no longer read this over and over.
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Coventina Dalgleish
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one other point
11-12-2008 03:07
Just way too many assumptions made here if you stop posting nonsense and in fighting perhaps they will venture forth with something for the next 6000 illogical assumptions.
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Paskis Robinson
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11-12-2008 03:29
Congrats LL on this approach, good job listening to the customers and then adjusting to it - nice work.
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