Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I have two openspace sims, both are real openspace - islands, water, trees - places for people to go and enjoy a lovely environment. I've already announced I'm abandoning both and my closest friend is doing the same to her two openspace sims. Lindens are just price-gouging us. Roll on Third Life!

I thought situations like that were taken care of in the revised Openspace policy.

I don't want to put words into Seline's mouth. But the problem is, even the "revised Openspace policy" doesn't take care of the trust issue and the basic principle that LL can, one day, write a blog post out of the blue saying "by the way, in 2 months we're taking away 75% of your prims; it's someone else's fault".

Regardless of whether the new OS policy gives them what they want or not, I can understand anyone who's reluctant to invest in SL after that.

that the new CEO is called Mark. Not thinkable, that he would have a name like Adam.

Waiting on A Linden would sound too funny. Beside the fact, that this could have several meanings..., ahm, anyway - normally you get 2 Linden after 15 minutes. Here we see not one Linden after 96 hours.

This is the slowest camping chair I ever saw.

Next year we will make a celebrating party. Same date, same station. See ya then folks.

ONE YEAR WAITING ON AN M.

In 50 years we are then literal grandfathered and grandmothered. Third teeth instead of second life.

But then still no M.

*Sad movie sountrack on*

Can someone who lives near Linden Labs HQ buy a keyboard and then go to Linden Office and leave it over to M and Jack Linden?

I don't think they have anyone that works so thats why this thread called "...& TALK WITH M AND JACK LINDEN" is so empty when it comes to reactions from them.

The poor things, sitting there, filled with things they want to say and explain to all the angry customers but they cant because the keyboard is broken

*Sad movie soundtrack off*

Oh there's absolutely a trust issue. I had a big post about this a few days ago. I definitely advocate not trusting the Lindens, like I advocate not trusting ANY company. People put too much faith in a company and they feel bad when they get burned. Couple pages back here I listed about ten other major violations of trust. You've been here longer than I have so you can probably name more. And people STILL trust? LL screws with the land situation all the time, be it price increases, introducing entire continents of new mainland, and opening prebuilt specialized areas, or apparently being willing to change around products on a whim. But people STILL are willing to invest in land and play in the castle built on the shifting sands that is the fake land industry? Then they get mad when they get burned, AGAIN? This is what I don't understand.

I've been privately accused of being a Linden-loving shill numerous times in the last few days, but that can't be further from the truth: While I don't blindly hate them, I quit trusting LL a long time ago, I'm careful in my dealings and deeply cynical in my views while I quietly do my thing, and it's been working out great!

Well maybe if Katt deleted your off topic post in the prize thread where you quote a post she deleted you wouldn't look like a Linden pitbull. Give her a poke, or maybe call her extension in the office

well, may be they had a short power outage at the West Coast (btw, it was not in the news - )

I own a Low Prim Region and having a shop with victorian homes on it.for me a open space Region is the only way to show my houses to the customers with a payable Tier.
At January i will give up the region and the shop because i dont earn so much money for the new Tier and advertizing.I've Problems enoght with get seen without having campingbots on my land and dont earn much anyway. but i wont pay to have a shop.
Remenbering all this Problems (sorry Issues) with tp downtimes logginproblems payproblems and so on I wont give money for Sl anymore.That means no new land for me.You wont earn tier.other residents wont earn the money for all the stuff i buy somewhere else.Thats the beginning of the end for me.
I Think you realize, that the time of growing and lots of new residents are over and now you like to make us old residents pay more.But this wont work. most of us life from shops and our produkts. with no new residents they wont get sold, and we run out of money.
But this is not my problem.. thats yours

Well besides this problem Linden Lab has many more serious problems such as when I log into my Island, which runs as well as any, I stay ruthed for an inordinate amount of time. Secondly scripts that have worked for over a year are now breaking. Another problem seems to have reoccurred Now when walking I skate. There is no excuse for this on a 16 meg line, is there? Perhaps you should get your house in order before attacking this problem. It would make this pill a littler easier to swallow.

The concurrence is below 65k at this time, not that the game functions when over 60k anyway.

Ok, I'll go find it and report it, and I invite everybody else to do the same (Give me a second, I'll find a link: /357/86/292061/3.html#post2216452 turns out I can't report my own post, so go for it as a personal favor if you haven't already). Then I'm going to take a one hour break from this whole thing and maybe get some scripting done

Again, the offending post is here: /357/86/292061/3.html#post2216452/357/86/292061/3.html#post2216452

We are on the same page, maybe even the same alinea. It's how I live my Second Life, works great indeed.

Turns out I can go back and delete it myself, though...done and done. I'll be more careful in the future.

I trust the lindens.. about as much as i trust the nasty looking bunch of thugs on the street corner. I don't own any private island or open sims.. i have about a 1/2 a sim on mainland and was thinking about moving to an openspace sim ..

mainland just sucks and the lindens do nothing to help fix it. its laggy and messy so say the least. If you want more land you have to wait to see if yoru neibor sells to expand yoru property or find someplace new entirely and thye you have to beat the land grabbers that grab up any small parsals split them into 1 square lots and place ugly ass adds on them and slap a price tag of 5000l on them and forget about them.. LL should prevent the ability of splitting land mass smaller then a 512 lot on mainland.
they want to act like they give a crap about the residents make it harder for people to exploit them...


The majority of secondlife residents are here for fun, and are friendly and nice.. but then you have the greedy nasty self serving one that are out to rip people off any way they can.


Thats why estates became popular and why openspaces became extreemly popular .. it gets you away from the fight to make something decent with out some jack in the box errecting a giant obsenity in front of your door..

LL had it right making openspaces, its what people wanted, because mainland does really suck... but the new prices of them are just stupid and uncalled for and i will not bother getting one at that rate. They should learn from their own success.... Clean up mainland so its a better place to live and then open spaces would not be such an issue. remove ownership of any plots less then a 512 lot and offer it to the neiboring parsal.


why am i bothering.. its not like LL is even reading this thread anymore.

I can't agree with you more, but....

You might have tried it already and with the wrong neighbours it can be a 24/7 job... but recently I decided we needed to clean up around a small plot we have on mainland, we spent an hour reporting abuse reports on objects and within half a day LL removed all of them, no questions asked. Two days later I found some we missed when reporting, they were cleaned up in two hours time. Eventually we have to do it all over again I'm sure, but for now it's a bit better. It's not a big help, but every little bit counts right?

Or was it in 'A deepness in the Sky'... or both

This is really a mess. My estate-owner announced recently that he will be giving back his 50 Low-Prim and 2 Full-Prim Sims, as nearly 80% of the residents were unsure of staying with him after the necessary 67% increase of tiers.

All of our 50 LP-Sims are purely residential, with a maximum of three residents per Sim. The two FP-Sims are recreational for free use for the estate-community. Myself "owns" half of a Sim there, and i really love the possibilites of creating a 32000sqm landscape with lots of trees, water, secluded places to sit and listen to music etc. Yes, i did build a house on the island, but be honest - the house is just a part of the landscape, we dont really need a house in SL if not for showing a realistic sorrounding. I hate the thought of having to give up this little paradise and loose all the friends from neighbouring isles. But once having felt the experience of building such a private little paradise, it is impossible for me to even think of going back to a 4000 or even 8000sqm fp-sim parcel.

Lindens announcement of 11/5 showed no compromise at all. It is still cutting performance and rising prices, only in two steps instead of one. OK, that saves us 180 bucks - but it does not alter anything on the situation in general.

I really wish Linden would think about grandfathering the conditions of existing contracts, along with a technical surveillance of SIM-use and setting an end to clubs and malls etc. on LP-Sims. In my view that would be the one fair solution to fit customers wishes and LLs needs.

A lot has been said through all of this, but if there is ONE thing that Linden Labs should take away, it's the loss of trust they have now initiated among the populous. As someone has said, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - stopping them from more announcements in the future which will either require you to pay more or take away what you already have. The precedence has been set.

I am well aware that there were never any promises, no contracts; nothing more than a snapshot in time of what you were paying for - but - most businesses simply do not operate this way. They try to retain the trust in their customer base - try and build loyalty.

LL has done everything but.

Ok, so they found out after the fact their great idea of open sims was really a technical nightmare. A right-minded company would have used some combination of give and take and/or grandfathering to appease their customer base. I can almost here the conversation in the board room...

"What can they do? Turn in their sims? If they do, it unloads our servers. If they upgrade, we make up the difference in cash. And besides, there's tons of people out there that haven't even tried us yet."

Ok - that was just a wild guess, but I'll bet I'm not that far off.

We will all make our own decisions, and try and justify why we stay or go - but the "trust" - the most important part of a business-customer relationship, is gone. And in the end, the SL customer base will flock to the first competitor that shows they value loyalty.

Sad.

BC

No, definitely in "A Fire Upon the Deep". If you read this thread you'll recognize most of the Beyonder civilizations, from Arbitration Arts and "Society for Rational Investigation" to Twirlip of the Mists and even the Aprahanti.

BigCity Mapholisto: No questions here, but Linden Labs has a long history of being ok with losing the trust of residents for the sake of what they think is the right thing to do. Again, this sort of situation is absolutely nothing new in the history of SL. The impression the userbase has of LL does not seem to be a factor in their decision-making process.

I'm studying over the new prices, if we are paying 1/4 of a total sim for an open space, shouldn't we be getting 925 in prims or so, and if not,, then shouldn't we only have to pay 50.00 USD or so for only 700 prims? maybe it's my math, but something is off to me. I'll be loosing 1 open space because of this, and the group I belong to will loose 4 of their own. Their price " since purchased in th ebeginning of OS" has been 50.00 USD, now that goes to 75.00 and the prims drop below the origianal agreement of 1800. I don't see the fairness in all this, I do agree that there needs to be a light, but pricing it coherently compared to the same prims sounds more fair to me, and gradfathering in the older OS'c would be a fair move from LL

Oh - thought you might be referring to to 'The Emergents'; but I see your point...

Just couldn't resist answering your post, as I Like V.V. a lot - a limited authorship, so far, like Cordwainer Smith...

I should have signed off with "Death to Vermin!".
D'Joan, C'Mell, E'Telikeli, Think Blue, Count Two, Look for a Red Shoe, the Game of Rat and Dragon, the Dead Lady of Clown Town, Scanners Live in Vain, Mother Hittons Littul Kittons... oooh, time to make a mink avatar wearing a straightjacket.

The literal only way to make a company fair, is the dollar way. Let them pay for your fun. Use the whole grid as livingroom. Log in and imagine: all is yours. And if you need quiet and peace: look at the mainland. All continents are yellow. So much peaceful, free, undisturbed land. Some has music on, some has building rights on. Some has no objects return. And no one buys it, hahaha So you can live there, or dressing in peace, or rezzing a home for a while, or a skybox, for free. And if one disappears, search the next fitting spot - be a wanderer, a nomad, a hippie. make that 1 -2 years. As more people are doing it, as more fair the company will become The other part of the work to make them fair, will be done by competitors meanwhile.

This is from the manual: how to make a monopolist fair.



Ideally it works best, as more people are concentrated and concertant in this, as sooner they are transformed into fair-mode.

It works only along the money-path. Just dry their pockets out. That makes them fair.

LL is gonna have to hire a new person, just to read this thread.


I can save you the money. Everyone is way pissed off!!!


I've haven't seen such an unhappy customer base since Coca Cola tried to change their recipe with the "New Coke". They were smart enough to revert to the original product offering. I hope LL is smart enough to do the same.