Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I wasn't confused by the amount, but its a yearly prize, our store promo amounts to a 1/3rd of that per year, meaning, for a company the size of LL its peanuts, if it can be duplicated by 3 of its residents. Especially considering that LL just "prints" the lindens anytime they want

Ohhhh by the year hmmm lets see if you think about it .. almost every club in sl pays at least 1/3rd that per year..

If you have 5 events a day x 500L per event that = 2500 L a day x 365 day = 912,500 L a year....

yes... the point being they tout these gimme's as being some big todo... I think in fact this represents the peak of LL's generosity to its customers. 8mil last month... you would think they could manage to sponsor an enginerring student through college or something.

Linden is killing the dreams of its customers by this greed to increase price on tier.

So Linden thinks it wins this one big.
Look again. Circuit City, an electronic entertainment retailer giant that people think may never fail, just went under.

Linden still thinks its economy is strong unaffected by the global financial crisis as of Oct. 15. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/afp/20081015/tc_afp/lifestyleitinternetfinancebanking_081015162423
It's no different from John McCain saying that the US economy is going strong 2 months ago.

Linden is, in effect, killing its own dream by this greed.
After Circuit City, Linden Lab will be next to go down under.

People come to SL for a dream, and now the dream is gone. People are leaving. -367 islands are lost so far this month, a third of the net gain (1045) last month.

If Linden is smart, stop the bleeding by rescinding the price change and restriction on Openspace. Even then, it will not rescue the damage it already had done. It will never regain the trust back from its customer. It will always leave a bad taste in the mouth.

I don't believe anything will change unless this mismanagement is gone. That is what restructuring is all about when it goes bankrupt. It will, sooner or later.

Sales in my store are down by more than 50 % since the original price change announcement by Linden Labs.

As I said Lindens: Crossroads...

Tick Tock Tick Tock...

Yes you hit the nail on the head .... with changes like this (going from 3750 to 750 prim OS) SL is forcing user creativity back to the dark ages where full sims surrounded by texture boxes becomes an attractive option.

Hell while they're about it, they may as well reduce full sims to 5000 prims too. Being the understanding lot we are we won't mind, and were so creative - we'll find a way to live with it I'm sure. Keef got it about right ...


Sure. Well, I wait in suspense to see it looking that good.


lol, yeah right


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I think that's just it.

The basic issue: SL depends on growth in order to survive.

That's for two reasons. First, the content market. Without the content market, lots of content creators give up their land, and then the consumers have nothing to consume. The only problem is, most content consumers don't remain consumers forever. They either a) leave, b) become creators themselves, or c) "find their niche" in SL and stay there, possibly not buying any more content, or at least buying it with a very different attitude. New people have to be kept coming in.

Problem two? The biggie. The asset server. A newbie creates a plywood cube in a sandbox and picks it up? New asset. You hand someone a modify-ok notecard? New asset. To actually charge people for this kind of thing would dramatically alter SL, so the only way is to subsidize it from land fees. And since old assets can't be gotten rid of and the load on the asset server tends to gradually increase, they're going to have to go up..

I'm guessing that's, pretty much, the reason why the cheap OSs were there. Because they have people their dream, and once they have it, no more growth. No more financial growth for LL, for one thing.. and worse yet, soon the resident will realize that actually having a static dream isn't actually that great because humans require growth and change - and quit SL or abandon it, and then the OSs will start to be resold. As long as an island is just expensive enough that people are constantly thinking "if I was doing a little better, I could buy an island, and then I'd have what I want..." then they're going to stay in world and keep spending money and that's what LL _needs_ (not wants) them to do.

You must be working for some paperazzi magazine, if not you should, you're the true king of half quotes, leaving out the context. I've seen you do it in at least three posts now.

and "lol yeah right" sounds like you're a true prodigy, I did have a quick look in his store, a day before my partner bought the tree and I think his approach is different from mine anyway.
Anyway, I thought you were pro-creativity... it sounds to me you want to see me fail... makes no sense uh?

* edit * i'd love to see anyone make a prim with more trees, the more the better, I will buy it myself if someone manages to do so.



hey! I can do this too

I've seen prim grass with more "blades" than the Linden grass.

when i need some grass i'll be searching for that hehe
like i said, plenty of good builders around

If this thread doesn't do it, nothing will. But be careful: it's a gateway thread. If we catch you posting in the Neverending Thread, we'll know it's time for an intervention.

You mean there is a thread worse than this one?

You're missing the point. Yes, some communities will disappear, but a lot won't, and new things are always going to come up and take their place. Not everybody gets spooked so easily. Not everybody has a business model that can't handle a little challenge. The strong, and the smart, are going to survive. My point was if the first island price increase (and subsequent new continents, and Nautilus and Bay City, and even Openspaces caused a little worry) didn't kill the land market like everybody said it would, and the gambling ban and the banking ban didn't kill the economy like it was supposed to, and copybot didn't kill content creation like it was supposed to, or the dozen other minor things that everybody gets in a snit over day in and day out hasn't done it either, THIS isn't going to be the one that finally does the place in.

Unless you want it to, but if you're (not you personally Alvari, the general 'you') that convinced the world is about to end, what are you still doing HERE on the forum whining about it?

But where ARE these alternatives? Name me an upcoming virtual world that's a point-for-point equivalent of Second Life. And you're not allowed to say Open Life. I know all about Open Life. I have an account there, I think it's cool, and very exciting conceptually, and I'd like to do some work there if I can get some time away from, you know, projects with economic potential, but it's not YET (yet) an 'alternative'.

This is more about consumers than businesses, I think.

Good Tuesday morning West Coast, some croissant or popcorn? Coffee or tea?
A small conversation may be?

Consumers of land or consumers of products and services?

Far as I can tell we're unlikely to run out of either. Granted, they're not spending as much as they used to, and the circles I run in tend to blame the gambling ban.

Both, because they're tied together. It seems a lot of people had their private houses on OSs and are now leaving because they feel betrayed. These were genuine consumers who were paying with US$ from their own banks, and so they are likely to be missed. You are right - they will probably be replaced - but it's a little more growth dependancy that SL could do without.

Linden labs will not care till it starts effecting the bottom line.... but by then its normally too late to do anything about it..

Ohh absolutely pro-creativity ... we need more good realistic low prim content. As for fail, one needs to fail a few times to succeed, so thats a non-issue.


Well, there you go, you're on the path to learning 2 things from 2 people in 2 days


Any idea where you saw that? Would like to get hold of that if its good quality. High Quality low prim content is scarce. I saw the 'wheatfields' that was pretty well done, but a little prim-heavy ... specially at 750 prim OS's!

Don't recall offhand. You might want to check Ante Flan's picks?

I do not agree with LL's handling of this situation, or the changes they are going to make regarding Open Sims/Homestead Sims. Communication is even more sad, comparatively.

That being said... There is simply no way LL can enforce even their own policy. Residents have always found ways around prim limits and frankly any limits. People will simply justify what their payments are worth and make adjustments accordingly.. ie: temp rezzers. We can just wait for the new generation of temp rezzers, and script doublers... etc. But without an active Policing of SL, which if LL cannot even communicate with the residents, there is no hope of them enforcing their own set limits.

Ok, so according to you I will fail let's say four times making that tree, then make the tree? Doesn't that mean such a tree can be built?



No I didn't learn, I just realized I could be as silly as you without any efford


Oh I wish I was four years old again...I'm getting in the mood

directed to LL: silence is another way to communicate.
it seems so easy just to say nothing, simply wait until this thread dies slowly.
ok, I am aware that there is hardly anything substantial anymore to add to this thread because all is said, but I need to admit that I am something between dissapointed and upset about the non-responsiveness of LL in this thread. when the thread started, there were some (5? or 6 all together?) LL responses by Katt the popcorn lover and Jack. After the first day: zero. The resident thread post vs LL thread post ratio is ridiculous, it is about ZERO.25% of posts. If you calculate it after the first day the thread was started, it is ZERO.ZERO%.

I would have expected some reaction from the propanication minister Katt: at least some statement like 'OOOOOOOOOO we are overwhelmed by your constructive, creative, interesting, excited responses about our new pricing model. We are so excited by what you say and propose. Please understand that we need to calm down a little to check out your opinions and come back to you with some popcorn and drink very soon'. OFF: Katt to Jack: should we tell them that we won't change the new pricing model? Jack to Katt: I think, your statement is brilliant, I know, you are an excellent communicator, in my opinion, we should not tell them that we will not change the new pricing model, you know, we still have to figure out if one or two scripts are allowed on a SIM. Katt to Jack, ooooooooo, ok, I see, so let's not disclose the next steps. Jack to Katt: no, keep it open, keep it vague, M told me this is the best way to do. Katt to Jack: JAck, yes, you are soo right, and M is so right, let's not disclose all, transparency is not good for residents anyway. Jack to Katt: I agree though I am not sure atm if M is always right. Katt to Jack: oooo, you have some doubts about M and our company? Jack grabs some popcorn and leaves the stage. Katt tries a TP and failes, tries it again and arrives without hair at M'S office. No one there...............

best regards,
pantaiputih

I think your post is the position of those who confuse luck with skill. Not being able to afford an extra $20 or $50 a month doesn't mean that ava is not smart, or not strong, in most cases it just means you can't or are not willing to spend it on a *game*. The land market isn't bad? You might want to ask avas who want it who can't afford it and those who want to sell it but are lucky if they can get what they paid. The world hasn't ended? If you took away the alts and bots how much traffic do you think is here?

I think you miss the point. Complaining about an out-of-the-blue hike is not a snit. People are complaining because they want to stay and feel like soon they won't. I don't question your success but "Shut up and accept it" is not a business model. You're right about one thing. The choices are not quite there yet but they will be soon. We will all be surprised it they are not. If you like this place you should want LL to get things right for the customers it has now so when that day comes it won't just be you and a few other smart, strong, fantastic business people enjoying the view.

Vernor Vinge predicted this thread in "A Fire Upon the Deep".