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Announcing the $10,000 (USD) Linden Prize

Alf Lednev
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11-10-2008 14:42
Funny how this generous scheme surfaces AFTER the huge PR stuff up over the Open Sims debate. Its just an attempt to divert and distract, to buy back some credibilty. The money coming from the price hikes looming for customers.

Kudo's to Everett for responding so often though. Just think if such responses had happened during the OS debacle. I won't be totally cyncially and imagine Lindens have been ordered to now speak up, missing Jack left such a bad taste. Missing Mr CEO even more so, remember him? The one who said paying customers didn't matter.

So $10,000 equates to the proverbial 30 pieces of silver (update for inflation etc). It comes from the profits made from the shattered open sim owners and the obscene land profits from Nautilus (thats's the SL future).
Darien Caldwell
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11-10-2008 14:46
Isn't W-Hat involved in the World Bear Project? http://www.worldbearproject.org/
Ciaran Laval
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11-10-2008 14:48
From: Alf Lednev
Funny how this generous scheme surfaces AFTER the huge PR stuff up over the Open Sims debate. Its just an attempt to divert and distract, to buy back some credibilty. The money coming from the price hikes looming for customers.


That's a bit unfair Alf. Mitch Kapor announced this in July but the details have only just been announced but this was something that was in the pipeline.
Everett Linden
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11-10-2008 14:51
@48: thanks for the kudos, but I can assure you I and other Lindens have been working on this for a VERY long time! As an earlier post noted, we informally announced the Linden Prize at the SL Birthday in July, way before the OS issue.
Everett Linden
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11-10-2008 14:53
@50 is faster on the send button, as the source of the "earlier post"!
Alicia Sautereau
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11-10-2008 15:15
this is NOT a Linden prize!

you create L$, costs: $0
you give virtual credit to some one, costs: $0
that person cashes out, LL costs $0
people buying L$ trough lindex, costs $10,000
linden profit: 3.5% transactions fee over $10,000

nice, real nice...

why don`t you give a $10,000 USD CASH prize so it`s ACTUALLY is a direct LL PRIZE and not something OTHER people pay for

i guess this is rocket science for some, does no one see this?
free product/system at, suprisingly, residents costs, brilliant!
Argent Stonecutter
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11-10-2008 15:20
From: Alicia Sautereau
this is NOT a Linden prize!
Money paid by LL in this prize represents Lindens that Supply Linden can not sell, so it actually does represent a cost for Linden Labs.
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Alicia Sautereau
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11-10-2008 15:25
From: Argent Stonecutter
Money paid by LL in this prize represents Lindens that Supply Linden can not sell, so it actually does represent a cost for Linden Labs.

if you look it at that, the price hike of voids is also a cost as alot less people pay tier now so less L$ is bought and so are more examples so this is a moot point
Lostmedia Ares
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11-10-2008 15:46
Hi Everett :)

You will have no doubt been aware that this post was going to get flack..And indeed it will .

The feelings of some of the posters here are somewhat torn between something they would normaly see as a great thing and the feeling of being kicked in the head by somone they trusted .

Everett , I know you guys have worked for a while on this , I wish you the best of luck , I wish you even more luck dealing with this crowd here ...

Normaly i would be thrilled at an announcment like this ..But again ... It's pretty grim times .

Good Luck all the same :)


Side Note : Guys ... Go easy on Everett .....just a guy doin his job .... If your ISP put your internet connection fee up ... you would not shout down the guy who sweeps the lobby at your ISP's office .... whould you ?
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Michelle Thurston
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11-10-2008 15:59
From: Toy LaFollette
I suspect the winner is predetermined.... and really its rather boring.
Why do you suspect that? Who is the winner? And boring?
Toy LaFollette
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11-10-2008 16:03
looks as if I may as well not post here since my last post was deleted.... WTG LL
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Chris Norse
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11-10-2008 16:30
From: Argent Stonecutter
Money paid by LL in this prize represents Lindens that Supply Linden can not sell, so it actually does represent a cost for Linden Labs.


Supply Linden is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. According to LL economic statistics, Supply Linden didn't pay out any money in October. And for November, it is just a little above the amount LL takes out in sinks. This is just a PR move by LL which costs them nothing.
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11-10-2008 16:32
From: Toy LaFollette
looks as if I may as well not post here since my last post was deleted.... WTG LL



Can you say "FIC"? I knew you could.
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Michelle Thurston
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11-10-2008 16:42
From: Chris Norse
Supply Linden is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. According to LL economic statistics, Supply Linden didn't pay out any money in October. And for November, it is just a little above the amount LL takes out in sinks. This is just a PR move by LL which costs them nothing.
Is it somehow worth more if M cut a check personally? It's still $10,000. Just wish I had something cool enough in the works to submit. I would like $10,000, and I don't care where it comes from.

This whole 'the Lindens can do no right' attitude on the forum lately is so tedious.
Dekka Raymaker
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11-10-2008 16:44
From: Michelle Thurston
Is it somehow worth more if M cut a check personally? It's still $10,000. Just wish I had something cool enough in the works to submit. I would like $10,000, and I don't care where it comes from.

This whole 'the Lindens can do no right' attitude on the forum lately is so tedious.

Your "I'm alright Jack", "This is why I didn't buy a open sim" is even more tedious.
Toy LaFollette
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11-10-2008 16:51
From: Chris Norse
Can you say "FIC"? I knew you could.


hehehe of course Chris :) wait a min I am FIC LOL, but then its oldbies that are no longer wanted in SL ;)
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11-10-2008 16:58
From: Chris Norse
Supply Linden is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.
So is US$10,000. The cost to LL is the same whether they cut a $10,000 check or sell $10,000 fewer Linden next June.
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11-10-2008 16:58
From: Michelle Thurston
Is it somehow worth more if M cut a check personally? It's still $10,000. Just wish I had something cool enough in the works to submit. I would like $10,000, and I don't care where it comes from.

This whole 'the Lindens can do no right' attitude on the forum lately is so tedious.


It doesn't cost the Lindens one damn penny. It makes them money. So yeah a check from M personally would be worth more.
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Chris Norse
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11-10-2008 16:59
From: Argent Stonecutter
So is US$10,000. The cost to LL is the same whether they cut a $10,000 check or sell $10,000 fewer Linden next June.


You assume they will sell $10,000 in Linden in the first place, for October Supply Linden sold 0L. This has no cost to LL at all.
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Oryx Tempel
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11-10-2008 17:05
From: Qie Niangao
There's a vast difference between improving "the human condition" and improving "the way people work, learn and communicate in their daily lives outside of the virtual world." The latter seems targeted on applications of Second Life as a telecommunication medium. Does this suggest that projects outside that more narrow domain will be evaluated less favorably?

What Qie said. What if a project involves communities completely outside the realm of virtual worlds, but uses its resources to help those communities? I can think of several really neat charity drives that benefit world citizens who don't necessarily have access to clean drinking water, let alone a computer.
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11-10-2008 17:26
I have been a very vocal critic of LL at times but can find nothing but great news with this announcement. Thank you Linden Labs and best wishes to all the nominated.
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Robin Linden
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11-10-2008 17:41
From: Vincent Nacon
Is it ok to be realistic now?

Placing a deadline on January and then announce it on April? Why 4 months?
Are you hoping people would forget and then maybe use their ideas into your profit for Second Life and Linden Lab alone?


Hi Vincent. The four months will be spent evaluating the applications. We're putting together a panel of judges and they'll need time to review and discuss the projects, and then agree on a winner.
Robin Linden
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11-10-2008 17:44
From: Nika Talaj
Are contestants expected to be available for press releases/interviews? If so, I assume that revealing RL identities would be at the discretion of the contestant?

I imagine LL will hear of many press-worthy projects, even though there is only one winner. In fact, I would think that a film featuring a selection of the projects would be a very nice thing for LL to have. Will there be any sort of cash award for all projects selected for LL promotional material, even though there is only one overall winner?
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Nice idea Nika! We haven't talked about how to highlight all the project entries or under what circumstances, but I like the idea of a film, assuming it's ok with the entrants.
Robin Linden
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11-10-2008 17:55
From: Qie Niangao
There's a vast difference between improving "the human condition" and improving "the way people work, learn and communicate in their daily lives outside of the virtual world." The latter seems targeted on applications of Second Life as a telecommunication medium. Does this suggest that projects outside that more narrow domain will be evaluated less favorably?


No Qie. We're looking for genuinely interesting, innovative projects that have made a difference in SL and have also made a difference to the real world. If anything I'm a little worried that we're too broad which might make it harder to judge. But we want to make sure that we are able to encourage a variety of applications.
Robin Linden
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11-10-2008 17:57
From: Alf Lednev
Funny how this generous scheme surfaces AFTER the huge PR stuff up over the Open Sims debate. Its just an attempt to divert and distract, to buy back some credibilty. The money coming from the price hikes looming for customers.

Kudo's to Everett for responding so often though. Just think if such responses had happened during the OS debacle. I won't be totally cyncially and imagine Lindens have been ordered to now speak up, missing Jack left such a bad taste. Missing Mr CEO even more so, remember him? The one who said paying customers didn't matter.

So $10,000 equates to the proverbial 30 pieces of silver (update for inflation etc). It comes from the profits made from the shattered open sim owners and the obscene land profits from Nautilus (thats's the SL future).


Wow Alf, that's pretty cynical. Mitch Kapor announced this prize a few months ago, and we've been planning it since. Any timing coincidence with the pricing announcement is just that -- a coincidence.
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