Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Well you need a full sim to own an Openspace so I don't think this really flies as LL want to get away from the idea that people own an Openspace without owning a full sim.

Grandfathering is the negotiating position I support. I don't have such a big objection to a 25 avatar maximum. Maybe they can make some special dispensations for events as long as they're not too regular.

The price simply shouldn't be going up like this, it's a really poor decision.

I agree here. I wouldn't have a problem with the technical restrictions if there were grandfathering.

Most people don't realize that this isn't "66%" for a lot of people. I have many openspaces that are going up 150% in price because they were previously grandfathered. Educational users are going up 266% in price!

The single most important step the Lab can take at this moment is to drop the requirement of buying a full sim before being allowed to buy a Homestead sim.

The most vicious attackers and leaders of a doomed movement to harm Secondlife will be put out of business in one fell swoop and Secondlife can proceed on it's planned path and improve immensely.

My comment will not be viewed in a positive light by the relative minuscule number of people hanging on every comment for the purpose of trying to get more people to go pay their buddy's garage grid operation but that is tough. I don't pull punches.

Fact of the matter is this so-called revolt amounts to very little in the strategic view and when SL hits the mandated goal of 1 million concurrency there will be very few who remember or much less even care about the "Gunpowder Revolution of November 2008".

Trying to use a company's website to advertise for your competing venue is a very clear indication of your morals and lack of any ethics. If your advertising efforts are removed then you will no doubt not be surprised.

People who give their identities and credit card numbers to former sl bank and stock exchange operators are not very wise in my opinion. People better study up on who owns what grid out there. (Such issues may also be a major impediment to interop i might add)

Let's see where Secondlife is a year from now. Only then can the "nyah nyah I tolded u soes" take effect lol.

I'm seeing a severe slowdown in the load time for textures ever since last night. I believe I saw a previous post regarding this last night, but it was probably hundreds of posts back. I have been waiting nearly 20 minutes for all textures within a 64 meter distance to load at each store I've visited. Anyone else notice this same issue? I'm already aware of the sever slow down in load of textures with the installation of the 1.20 and 1.21 viewers. That was bad and since it was not fixed it now seems to be even worse. Hopefully LL will post something in the gridstatus blog regarding this slowdown.

Jack and M,

The thing that is giving me, and a lot of people, heartburn is the fact we are seeing a very big price increase without any added value. No extra prims, no extra cycles, no way to 'nice' scripts, nada.

As an estate owner I am obliged to justify this to my customers, perhaps even to add a little something to make their cost more palatable (I have some ideas ) Perhaps you should do the same.

i dont generally post but im gonna on this....i rent out a full open space sim from a great guy...have a small store and my home on it...so i get to lose my home or pay an amount i find to be rediculious i will eventually have to pay &125 a month for it....i duont really knwo what there "criteria" is to keep it an openspace...but i take it my home wont be one stayin openspace.....its basically giving someone the rights to somethign and then rippin it away...many people who say cant afford a full sim(ill admit it its way above my price range..and 125 a month is more then i can pay at this time)...with the economic turmoil in the united states im a flat out say any sort of price increase these days for people in the states will cause that product to suffer.....sure if your runnign a club that has 40-50 peeps in it on an openspace sim then i can see a reason why to change it to this new type of sim...but making people who have found the home of there dream(or in my case built the home on sl i have always wanted)suffer for your mistake..is not right thats just my opinion.....yes it does suck, but i will stay on sl for reasons that i dont need to post on here...but believe me if my home is turned into one of these "homesteads"im not sure what i will do.

Try a daily clean reinstall. Something in the caching is mucked up. part of the "DDOSing" effect. A clean fresh install seems to load instantly. Then erodes over time.

I do wish they would correctly consider this issue a major part of scalability and get it fixed asap.

Yes I and many others that I talked to, have had abominable lag, unusually low FPS and slow loading textures over the last 3 days.
Just to confirm, even if it may be off topic.

Time to fire this incompetent CEO who created this mess deeper and deeper into the hole.

LMFAO!

Ann not every grid out there is built in a garage, some may be small companies like 3DX, not mentioning the grid name, not that anyone cares, those that are "Anti Developing Alternative" never choose to gather their facts before claiming they are just a bunch of geeks in a garage. Not all of them will be clones as all, LLs code is just a temporary scaffold for some that are looking to advance virtual user created worlds. Though you may want to keep in mind LL was just a bunch of geeks in a garage to at one point.

No I do not work for any of these grids, I am just a refugee, but for now think what you will. We all make our choices, some with more information that others though it appears.

Yes agreed, one would think this is the minimum that is acceptable : a grandfathered tier for existing OS's converted to Homesteads. Specially as there are restrictions going in as well on homesteads which need to be complied with.

There's really no honor in this proposal, its beyond belief.

And what is the deal with that, why on earth can you not buy and OS or homestead without having a full sim.

I would have bought an OS from LL if they sold them, seems dumb to me! Is there any reasoning behind that?

I agree that Linden should look at letting people own Homestead sims directly. I don't know if that fits in with their goals and plans, but if it does then they should definitely consider it.



I don't understand why anyone calls this a revolt. SL is a business. We are customers. Linden is not a government, and we are not its citizens.



Not everyone is so foolish as to give an unknown internet company their credit card info. I would use Paypal just as I do with Linden. And the ones I've looked at so far do accept Paypal. (And no, I don't know anyone from these places, and I'm not advertising either.)



I absolutely intend to watch and see how SL and Linden do over the next few years. I'm firmly convinced that they wil be here a year from now, despite these current problems. Not everyone disappointed with this change thinks they're going out of business because of it.

Firelight

Linden Labs is now booting and denying Second Life Premium Account Members from accessing Second Life.

[16:46] Dianne Davies: Aurelie: Hello Dianne_Davies, my name is Aurelie Ontyne. Thank you for contacting Linden Lab Support, how can I help you?

Dianne_Davies: hi I cannot access my account
Dianne_Davies: message I'm given is:
Dianne_Davies: Login Failed
Dianne_Davies: your account is not accessible until
Dianne_Davies: 2008-11-06 16:39:33 Pacific Time..which I dont' understand as thats days ago
Aurelie: Ok.
Dianne_Davies: so um..what is happening?
Aurelie: Can I please take your email address?
Dianne_Davies: (cage deleted to keep dianne's email account private)
Aurelie: Thank you and how many Linden dollars do you have in your account?
Dianne_Davies: why would that matter?
Dianne_Davies: I'm confused
Aurelie: These are security questions.
Dianne_Davies: uhhuh..right..well as I cannot get into my account how would I know that?
Dianne_Davies: nevermind..figured it out..went onto website
Dianne_Davies: I have 1976 lindens in that account
Aurelie: Ok thank you and what is your pet's name please?
Dianne_Davies: (cage deleted to protect the privacy of dianne's security question)
Aurelie:
[16:46] Dianne Davies: Dianne_Davies: you're welcome
Aurelie: You are not able to access the account because you have been suspended.
Dianne_Davies: suspended for what?
Aurelie: If you want to know the reason or want to appeal, you will need to submit a support ticket.
Dianne_Davies: ok..but right now I want to know the length of this said suspension so I may contact my lawyer please and thank you
Aurelie: You are suspended until 2008-11-06 16:39:33
Dianne_Davies: today is what date?
Dianne_Davies: and what time is that in regular time please?
Aurelie: 4.39pm pacific time.
Dianne_Davies: thank you..

-Cage
Co-owner of Whispering Pines Estates

I always understood, from reading various complaining posts on slexchange forums (a ways back), that when they lock your account out you cannot access your account on the website.

Interesting. Did they change that?

i can't find that artcile and the link doesn't seem to go directly there?

There's a space in the link that shouldn't be there. And that's an old article, Oct 30.

Firelight

I think it is safe to assume by the lack of intelegent response from M or Jack Linden that this is going to be the way it is end of story regardless of how many people disagree with it.
Community and those who pay their wages really do not matter to them as i am sure that more responses even from the top man would not have gone a miss here to clarify their stance on this but a few posts from Jack some how do not quite cut it by comparison to the thousnad or so from disgruntled residents.
NOTHING more has been given in facts other than TBD huh what?
All that means to me is that when they finally decide to confirm what all the limitations really are they now have the right to set them stupidly low and upset the new Openspace/Homstead owners AGAIN, lets face it they will not be reasonable script limitations if the price is anything to go by.
I am through with paying towards your wages you LL seriously you will have to do a lot better than that to get my money in the future, i have given up my openspace sim and once the year is up on my premium account i will be giving up that too and reverting back to free, not buying any more L$ it seriously is just not worth it any more.
Seriously M Linden where is this communication you boast so much about? no one is seeing it, you have pride yourself on having lots of happy residents, minimal crashes and other odd glitches bla bla bla and all i can say to that is, WHERE?
if you are saying the crashes client side are less because no one is sending the automated crash reports or they are fewer got news for you its because people are BORED of sending those they know nothing will change the software will continue to crash.
How about FIX the problems before announcing nice new features and or outragous price hikes you will probably find you have less residents gunning for you maybe?
I know online enviroments are not perfect but there are better ways to handle them i am sure.
Well i am done ranting about this its now a waste of time for me so meh whatever either way you have lost my money, i can drink more now i can afford that haha.
The rest of you out there fighting for this cause good luck you need it, they are not listening.

Fix the word "profitabiilty" in the URL:
2008_10_30_protest_threatens_linden_labs_profitability.html
It was too long and wrapped into 2 lines when you copy and paste.

That is not how they determine crash rates.
Crash rates are determined server side from sessions that did not log out properly.

Well, don't think it works that way, Ann.

When I learned Dianne had been logged out, I tried to access Second Life as her (we own an estate together and share building tools so we know each other's pasword for Second Life).

I could not access Second Life as her. but, I had no problems accessing Second Life as me.

So, then I went to her Web site for Second Life, her Second Life Web Account and I goot right in.

hey people, LL offered you an OS product and now they change the TaC of this product arbitrarily and many of you want to compromise?

NO, don't do so. so called residents did this since months/years. it is time to stop compromising.

that whole product is way too expensive.

LL, you want to attract more users? yes, please LL do so. get more people in but don't scare your 'old' 'residents' off with your ever changing policy.
get more people in that increase revenue and make fair prices for land and for all.

I can not imagine that you don't realize that XX% of your world is yellow-up for sale-for very cheap prices, but no one buys? why does no one buy?
1. cause it's ugly at many places
2. cause you can sit around somewhere on a bench homeless and it does not hurt the ass of the person sitting on that bench, i.e. there is no real need to 'possess' land
3. cause it is not a business deal at the moment to come into your game and try to 'earn' money
4. cause it is common sense to date that no one 'owns' anything in your game
5. cause it is simply too expensive

just my opinion, 77% out and my outage percentage increases week by week

p.s. I love SL (not necessarily LL), 'my' land and as always, forgive me my typos pls