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Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Hiawatha Kapelusz
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11-06-2008 19:53
From: Richard Palace
Linden is just another web hosting company offering 3D Social Platform.

A web hosting company will never change it's monthly hosting fee for the server that the customer sign up and will never force you to upgrade to a higher class server due to performance issue.

Every detail including Processor, Monthly bandwidth, Hard Disk Drive, RAM, Operating System, Port 10/100/1000 Mbps are clearly listed out and configurable.

On share hosting, If someone overused the CPU resources, that particular account will be shut down or suspended as some of you might have seen it before. No question about it. They do not punish everyone by raising the monthly hosting fee.

Resident buying islands from Linden to sublet are their resellers. Linden should treat resellers as their best friends. They put in time and effort to beautified your island and get you more users.

If a product is not tested, do not market it. You need beta testers to test your beta product just like any software. Do not release it till you fixed the bugs.

Remember, your customer is always right. They are the one that pays your monthly salary.



I think they forgot that Tiny Little Famous World Wide Point ..


this one I mean ...


Remember, your customer is always right. They are the one that pays your monthly salary.
Ryanna Enfield
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Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
Class of 05
11-06-2008 20:04
From: Vye Graves
Honestly, I am beginning to think they don't care. They have a lot of turnover in SL. How many people do you see with birth dates earlier than 2007 these days? I think maybe they think that with turnover like that, offending a lot of oldsters is a decent risk, given they will probably just wander off eventually anyway.

Especially oldsters of the class, who would rather put up the money for their own sims than pay L$100 per meter for Bay City foolishness. I have seen this happen in other venues. They bring in people whose interest is business, not THE business, and therefore have no love or care for it. Bad stewards, bean counters.



You don't see very many these days. There were fewer of us to start with. Lots of people left early on because let's face it, Linden Labs still does not know how to effectively communicate. That being said, there has been some improvement, despite cutting their legs out from under themselves on several occassions. But on a scale of 1-10, compared with other businesses I've dealt with and worked for... LL gets about a 3. That is not a number to be proud of. If even one of your customers feels you could be doing better, then you should consider it an opportunity to make improvements.

New customers are very important to your business. However, the older the resident, the more time and energy they have invested into your business. I see you making great strides to retain new customers with the Big Spaceship project, but look what you are doing to those of us who have been here through thick and thin? Stop using words like immaterial, or abuse as a blanket term for parts of our community. Show you care about your residents both new and old by continued, constant, and proactive communication. Don't set yourself up for failure by claiming a forum is a discussion with the Linden's if you will not be able to respond in a reasonable amount of time. Treat mistakes as an opportunity to learn and grow. Be genuine and honest with us. And most of all.. an apology is not an admission of guilt.

I can't help but feel that M is completely out of touch with the community. I'm not sure if he realizes how much of SL is courtesy of the residents who helped to shape and create it. And I am not sure he realizes that we, the residents, are funding his paycheck.
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Richard Palace
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11-06-2008 20:07
I just found out that

The tier for 16384sqm of mainland (3750 prims) is US$75 per month.

Coincidentally, Openspace tier is also at US75 per month, total prims is also at 3750 prims, but the land is 4 times bigger than mainland!

It's clearly underpriced from the start when Linden market this product.

No wonder Mainland crashed.
Jensen Kranfel
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Join date: 7 Sep 2008
Posts: 5
125$ still not acceptable
11-06-2008 20:09
HI M and Jack and All Linden Team,

Great to hear from you again. It is nice to see that you have developed a 4th product called homesteads. A few things:-

1. OS should have atleast 1850 prims as even forest or park need that much if you see prim count for trees, boats, benches etc etc. $75 price is good.

2. Homesteads are nice , we needed this kind of product. The $125 is still not acceptable. It should not be more than $95-$100 range. This product will be killed if you raise it to $125. The avatar limit should be around 30.

3. I hope you are not thinking about raising Private Regions pricing or tier, because I see it coming soon. Please dont do that as it will make people leave in millions and Linden Lab will suffer lots of revenue loss.

4. Regulate Mainland prices, do not black marketeers raise prices like crazy cos of the OS exodus. There should be a min-max limit on it too. A mainland sim can cost around $800-$5000 which is a crazy range. Don't you think.

5. Ethics: Please be very ethical and dont use the announcements in the future to create panic and then rollback the announcement. This will lead Linden Labs to face serious legal charges.

Thanks,
Jensen Kranfel
Maya Remblai
The one with pink hair.
Join date: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 434
11-06-2008 20:11
From: Paracelsus Schonberg

And, I am in much better shape financially then many, many people who find SL a door to the world community and to freedoms unattainable in RL. These people are on fixed incomes, disabled, chronically in pain - mentally/physically, and probably would enjoy a latte or a night out.


/me holds up a lighter

I'm one of those people, and if sob stories get LL's attention then I'm not above that. I'm a bit better off than most in my position, I could support a full sim's tier on my SL earnings, though it would be using all of them. With the help of friends that share my (very recently acquired) OS sim, I'm hoping to upgrade to a full sim soon. I could never afford the set up fees for a new sim, so I never got one. I could live with the previous advertisements for what are now called "Homesteads", and enjoy my little valley...but I sure as heck am not going to pay $125 for less than that! In fact, I wouldn't pay $125 for what I have now, it isn't worth it and isn't cost effective. You see, I've learned a thing or two in my life, clawing my way above my weaknesses. I've run businesses (that's plural, kids) and I understand value. While $125 may be less than $295, you have to consider what you're getting for that. If the cheaper product is of lesser quality, it isn't worth getting at all. SL is fun for me, and does take my mind away from the pain I'm in every waking moment, but I also use it as a business and supported myself with it for a couple of years. For now I'll stay with SL, and try to upgrade my sim while it's not quite as expensive...but I may not be able to. What do you think will happen if my profits do not support that sim that you're getting money from, M? And then, what will happen if I, a well known content creator, get fed up with you all and leave as soon as greener pastures become ready? How many of my hundreds of loyal customers will follow me? You've always said the content creators were important, but those are among the people you're pushing away with this nonsense.

/me throws her cane at M

And for those of you that know me as that sweet, innocent, eternal Peter Pan, this is my angry face.
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
11-06-2008 20:17
From: Richard Palace
I just found out that

The tier for 16384sqm of mainland (3750 prims) is US$75 per month.

Coincidentally, Openspace tier is also at US75 per month, total prims is also at 3750 prims, but the land is 4 times bigger than mainland!

It's clearly underpriced from the start when Linden market this product.

No wonder Mainland crashed.


Um ...

It's not actually going to make much difference to the server at least not enough difference to justify the lies in the MARKETING of OS.

Again and again, it's the way that these were sold to the people who bought them (I am not someone who bought any of them) that has made many people angry.
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Felix Oxide
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 655
11-06-2008 20:17
From: Richard Palace
I just found out that

The tier for 16384sqm of mainland (3750 prims) is US$75 per month.

Coincidentally, Openspace tier is also at US75 per month, total prims is also at 3750 prims, but the land is 4 times bigger than mainland!

It's clearly underpriced from the start when Linden market this product.

No wonder Mainland crashed.


Unfortunatly the deed is done. Most here do not understand they were actually getting a steal, and naturally do not want to lose that sweet deal. The openspaces were grossly underpriced and you are right, it led to mainland becoming virtually worthless. But this is the fault of LL not the people buying the openspaces.
Toryn Zapatero
Mixtape Islands
Join date: 8 Oct 2008
Posts: 22
You have to love the irony .....
11-06-2008 20:19
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did



http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3623393

An Article by Mark Kingdon Sept 12, 2006

From: someone
Every day, we read more about the growth, opportunities, and risks of social media. Without fail, three of the largest social networks make headlines: MySpace.com, Facebook, and, more recently, YouTube. For a while, MySpace was front and center. Then, YouTube was the story of the week. Now, it's Facebook's turn in the spotlight.

Facebook is a social networking community for college students and alumni. Many things distinguish it from MySpace. It has 9 million members, compared to MySpace's over 80 million. Although Facebook is smaller, it's more exclusive. The admission ticket into Facebook is a valid .edu e-mail address. In addition, individual member pages are less customizable than MySpace pages. The last two characteristics make Facebook a more comfortable place to advertise for many brands.

Last week, Facebook made a very public misstep. On Tuesday, it added a live news feed that displays changes and activity on your friends' pages. If a friend in your network adds a photo or a friend or changes her relationship status, you know instantly. On the surface, it doesn't sound like a major change and might even be a useful, time-saving new feature. But many in the Facebook community were instantly up in arms. To them, the new functionality felt as if every move they made was captured and on display for all their friends to see. Tens of thousands of users joined protest groups, declaring the Facebook news feed an invasion of privacy and "big brotherish."

Two days after the announcement, Facebook chatter in the blogosphere more than doubled. It became the number two search term, according to Technorati.

The community, vocal by nature, began an online campaign that included online petitions and thoughtful discussions on personal blogs. Here's a sample of each:

We all know who has dumped who, who is doing what, and who doesn't like something anymore. This is invasive, and while it is displayed for others to see, it is not meant to bombard their homepage. The Facebook has become a perfect tool for stalkers to gain access to their prey, easily.

Despite the fact that this does not "violate the privacy policies already in place," we feel that it is invasive and directs us to information that we are not normally interested in. --Robert Venezuela

The problem is that facebook assumed that the privacy settings as they are would be sufficient to deal with any concerns that would arise from the new interface. However, this interface REQUIRES much more granularity in the privacy settings than is currently provided. For instance, just because I want people to be able to find my relationship status profile doesn't mean I want to everyone to be notified if I break up with Linda. What I want to make available is not necessarily the same as what I want to notify others about. Also, what if I want people to be notified about changes to my notes but not my wall? There's no way to pick and choose what classes of data are to be fed. What if I only want to get wall feeds? What if I only want total feeds from five people? The default is basically all or none, and in the face of that people are scrambling towards none. --Dima's Blog

By Thursday, Facebook made it clear it would put this new feature under individuals' control so they could determine what changes others would see. The members prevailed. How? And why? Members used this powerful medium to connect, assemble, and make their voice heard. Fortunately, Facebook listened and responded.

The takeaways for marketers:

* Listen carefully. If you target connected customers, have a mechanism in place to collect feedback before taking major actions (product changes, new product launches, etc.). Don't act in a vacuum. Use social media to engage customers and solicit their feedback. Then, make their input an important part of your strategy.

* Be ready to act. Social networks and many Web 2.0 tools make it very easy for people to assemble around a cause. Major brands should have a rapid action plan in place to identify and address these situations before they get out of hand. In the old world, this was called public relations or crisis communications. In a new, networked world, it's good community relations.

* Respect the community. What I wrote in an earlier column about five best practices for marketers who venture into social networking still applies: "Respect the Community. It's a club and you don't really belong. Most social networks aren't about advertising or commerce per se... As an advertiser you're a guest in the club. Understand the environment and respect the unwritten rules: don't intrude on conversations or connections in a way that irritates members; don't divert users from the network to other sites; and don't disguise yourself in a dishonest way."

If this advice doesn't resonate with you, close your eyes and imagine this scenario:

You've just spent six months developing a new campaign for a major new product launch that's a line extension in a very popular, somewhat dated product line. You and your management team have high hopes for this product. You need to invigorate the product line and generate a big bump in sales. You've carefully researched the product and launch strategy. The focus group results indicate you'd add new customers without alienating your core franchise. You launch.

Within a week of launch, 126 groups have formed, all calling for a boycott because you spoiled the product with this line extension. The revolt started in the U.S. and is now moving to Europe. Angry customers are filling your inbox with hate mail. Your boss calls and asks what the heck's going on, how significant the damage could be, and what you're doing to respond. You tell him you're going to change the campaign messaging and heavy up on PR. Then, you realize that strategy won't fly. These people want answers and action -- now. You have hours. Not weeks.
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
11-06-2008 20:20
From: Felix Oxide
Unfortunatly the deed is done. Most here do not understand they were actually getting a steal, and naturally do not want to lose that sweet deal. The openspaces were grossly underpriced and you are right, it led to mainland becoming virtually worthless. But this is the fault of LL not the people buying the openspaces.


Felix just said it better than I did.

OMG Toryn, fantastic!

@ Ryanna yes I remember how it used to be. I am sure that when M joined us he did say that he had been part of SL himself ...
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Nicoladie Gymnast
We need a 3rd Life
Join date: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 69
11-06-2008 20:30
http://secondlife.com/whatis/economy_stats.php

Islands added Nov = -167
Islands added Oct = 1045
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Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
Some feelings
11-06-2008 20:31
I have a tier fee-ling that the Laboratory is on a marketing strategy, to try to get ultra-exorbitant-mega-galactic rich, by making customers poor. Wich will fail, by the way. Because our real-life income will and will not expand endless for some reasons. The boss of my wife said: no. My government said: no. Also the tax office of my country said: no. And the customers of my business said: no. o, it will not expand, just for feeding a Laboratory endless. While meditating about the issue, I got a tier fee-ling that the Laboratory is on a marketing strategy to get rich by beeing the most hungry tier and fee monster in the market. They create such astronomical high tier fee-lings in numbers, that all competitors standing with open mouth and big eyes and a giant ?-sign over their heads in front of these fees, even not to speak about the actual customers, as the Laboratory may notice here while watching this nice forum growing. And then I got a mysterious tier fee-ling additional, that the Laboratory is on a marketing strategy, to sell lowest low-end products for highest high-end prices and still raising them, in form of these famous open spaces. It is a miracle how that could work? I have a tier fee-ling about customers, including me, myself and I, that we, the customers are on a totaly different trip. Because we want the opposite, simple and easy said: we want just one thing: we want high-end products for the lowest possible prices. It could be maybe a halfway wise idea, for the Laboratory, to embed and emboss these austrian, not native english skilled, late night meditations into your further strategies. Because I have this tier fee-ling, that it works with all things with wich we are surrounded in our average daily life, that we are sampling high-tech for low prices like we were mad. Bundles and mountains of high-end products wich are affordable are stapled in our homes. The only thing wich makes us actualy somehow this strange tier fee-ling, that we're getting poor, is this nice, ahm, game? Or whatever it is? Wich has maybe to do with these tier fees? And maybe with these athletical muscular setup fees? Let's say: with all those fees? This makes us somehow inactive and lethargic, when it comes to offers to type numbers on our keyboard or when it comes to the offer to click on a product for purchase. We are then somehow: frozen. Not able to move a single finger. And suddenly we forget, where our credit card is stored. That has to do, as said, with maybe, these tier fee-lings, these mysterious ones. Sorry.
Firelight Simca
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Join date: 22 Aug 2006
Posts: 156
11-06-2008 20:33
From: Toryn Zapatero
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did



http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3623393

An Article by Mark Kingdon Sept 12, 2006


Oh my goodness. That is incredibly funny. Ironically funny.

I'm absolutely floored.

Firelight
Richard Palace
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Join date: 20 Oct 2006
Posts: 241
11-06-2008 20:33
From: Cherry Czervik
Um ...

It's not actually going to make much difference to the server at least not enough difference to justify the lies in the MARKETING of OS.

Again and again, it's the way that these were sold to the people who bought them (I am not someone who bought any of them) that has made many people angry.


Well, I think OS is a Mainland killer. Mainland owner are also angry when Linden launched OS underpriced.

Let's take a look at how a reseller sell his OS.

Cut OS into 4 equal parts, 16ksqm each. Sell only 4096 sqm, 937 prims, in the middle of this 16ksqm plot.

The cost would be only US$75/4 = $18.75 per month.

For $18.75 per month, you get a 4096 sqm, 937 prims island surrounded by water.

As for mainland, you pay US$25 per month of 4096 sqm, 937 prims, surrounded by advertisement.

Let's take a look at how a reseller sell his homestead.

Cut Homestead into 4 equal parts, 16ksqm each. Sell 4096 sqm, 937 prims, in the middle of this 16ksqm plot.

The cost would now be US$125/4 = $31.25 per month.

Will there be market for Homestead? Yes, It's slightly more than US$25 per month for mainland.

Get the picture? OS is underpriced at US$75 per month and Linden suddenly realised it.
Firelight Simca
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Join date: 22 Aug 2006
Posts: 156
11-06-2008 20:42
From: Richard Palace
Well, I think OS is a Mainland killer. Mainland owner are also angry when Linden launched OS underpriced.

Let's take a look at how a reseller sell his OS.

Cut OS into 4 equal parts, 16ksqm each. Sell only 4096 sqm, 937 prims, in the middle of this 16ksqm plot.

The cost would be only US$75/4 = $18.75 per month.

For $18.75 per month, you get a 4096 sqm, 937 prims island surrounded by water.

As for mainland, you pay US$25 per month of 4096 sqm, 937 prims, surrounded by advertisement.

Let's take a look at how a reseller sell his homestead.

Cut Homestead into 4 equal parts, 16ksqm each. Sell 4096 sqm, 937 prims, in the middle of this 16ksqm plot.

The cost would now be US$125/4 = $31.25 per month.

Will there be market for Homestead? Yes, It's slightly more than US$25 per month for mainland.

Get the picture? OS is underpriced at US$75 per month and Linden suddenly realised it.



Well, I don't think the original open space product was underpriced. You had to buy 4 at a time for the same setup as a full sim. They had to attach to a full sim. They each had 1/8th prims of a full sim, but each cost 1/4 the tier as a full sim. You got privacy, but not total since they couldn't be by themselves. But you did get estate controls and terraforming. And the original product didn't seem to hurt mainland at all.

But when they changed the product to what people now expect... Yes, it does look as though they underpriced it. Actually, they should have left the original product alone and just added a new one at a higher price point with the current (pre Jan5) features.

That's all hindsight now. And now everyone has to deal with the results. It's sad.

Firelight
Ryanna Enfield
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Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
Wow!
11-06-2008 20:44
From: Firelight Simca
Oh my goodness. That is incredibly funny. Ironically funny.

I'm absolutely floored.

Firelight



Um... Wow! What happened between 06 and 08 to M? He no longer believes what he wrote about in that article to be true? Maybe our M is an imposter?
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Firelight Simca
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Join date: 22 Aug 2006
Posts: 156
11-06-2008 20:49
From: Ryanna Enfield
Um... Wow! What happened between 06 and 08 to M? He no longer believes what he wrote about in that article to be true? Maybe our M is an imposter?


Maybe he doesn't think that SL is a social network? That it's just a business platform?

Nah.... It must be late. There I go being silly again.

Firelight
Amilie Anatine
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 38
11-06-2008 20:50
From: Sindy Tsure
Yes, ones that go off on Lindens and post chat logs without permission after being warned to play nice.

They also do that to non-premium residents.

/me sends Katt a cookie.

edit: and posting here about it under an alt is probably another violation.


/me sends Sindy a cookie, and Katt one too
Vye Graves
Registered User
Join date: 22 Jun 2007
Posts: 249
11-06-2008 20:52
-167 islands in 6 days. Golly. Now, will those people go buy mainland, or are they buying anything at all, I wonder. That's LL's big gamble at this point.
Ryanna Enfield
Registered User
Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
Some advice
11-06-2008 20:53
This is great advice for you M! Oh wait... you wrote this?

http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3623393


"The takeaways for marketers:

Listen carefully. If you target connected customers, have a mechanism in place to collect feedback before taking major actions (product changes, new product launches, etc.). Don't act in a vacuum. Use social media to engage customers and solicit their feedback. Then, make their input an important part of your strategy.


Be ready to act. Social networks and many Web 2.0 tools make it very easy for people to assemble around a cause. Major brands should have a rapid action plan in place to identify and address these situations before they get out of hand. In the old world, this was called public relations or crisis communications. In a new, networked world, it's good community relations.


Respect the community. What I wrote in an earlier column about five best practices for marketers who venture into social networking still applies: "Respect the Community. It's a club and you don't really belong. Most social networks aren't about advertising or commerce per se... As an advertiser you're a guest in the club. Understand the environment and respect the unwritten rules: don't intrude on conversations or connections in a way that irritates members; don't divert users from the network to other sites; and don't disguise yourself in a dishonest way."
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Firelight Simca
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Join date: 22 Aug 2006
Posts: 156
11-06-2008 20:56
From: Vye Graves
-167 islands in 6 days. Golly. Now, will those people go buy mainland, or are they buying anything at all, I wonder. That's LL's big gamble at this point.


Well, some of it's going to be converting 4 os sims to 1 full sim. People started doing that last week.

And some people mentioned (in various places), they were getting rid of os sims that were either not used (by renters) or were being used to develop new projects that weren't ready yet. So, some of them abandoned those.

Just from that one stat, it would be hard to figure out how many people were actually displaced and need a new home (mainland or something) and how many people just tiered down.

Firelight
Vander Reich
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Join date: 9 Oct 2008
Posts: 9
11-06-2008 20:58
From: Firelight Simca
Oh my goodness. That is incredibly funny. Ironically funny.

I'm absolutely floored.

Firelight


OMG!!!


Hey there M!!!

Practice what you preach. This is incredibly ironic!!

From: Mark Kingdon, The ClickZ Network, Sep 12, 2006


The takeaways for marketers:

Listen carefully. If you target connected customers, have a mechanism in place to collect feedback before taking major actions (product changes, new product launches, etc.). Don't act in a vacuum. Use social media to engage customers and solicit their feedback. Then, make their input an important part of your strategy.


Be ready to act. Social networks and many Web 2.0 tools make it very easy for people to assemble around a cause. Major brands should have a rapid action plan in place to identify and address these situations before they get out of hand. In the old world, this was called public relations or crisis communications. In a new, networked world, it's good community relations.


Respect the community. What I wrote in an earlier column about five best practices for marketers who venture into social networking still applies: "Respect the Community. It's a club and you don't really belong. Most social networks aren't about advertising or commerce per se... As an advertiser you're a guest in the club. Understand the environment and respect the unwritten rules: don't intrude on conversations or connections in a way that irritates members; don't divert users from the network to other sites; and don't disguise yourself in a dishonest way."
If this advice doesn't resonate with you, close your eyes and imagine this scenario:

You've just spent six months developing a new campaign for a major new product launch that's a line extension in a very popular, somewhat dated product line. You and your management team have high hopes for this product. You need to invigorate the product line and generate a big bump in sales. You've carefully researched the product and launch strategy. The focus group results indicate you'd add new customers without alienating your core franchise. You launch.

Within a week of launch, 126 groups have formed, all calling for a boycott because you spoiled the product with this line extension. The revolt started in the U.S. and is now moving to Europe. Angry customers are filling your inbox with hate mail. Your boss calls and asks what the heck's going on, how significant the damage could be, and what you're doing to respond. You tell him you're going to change the campaign messaging and heavy up on PR. Then, you realize that strategy won't fly. These people want answers and action -- now. You have hours. Not weeks.



Hey M, M says that "YOU HAVE HOURS, NOT WEEKS"!!!!
Vye Graves
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Join date: 22 Jun 2007
Posts: 249
11-06-2008 21:01
From: someone
"Well, some of it's going to be converting 4 os sims to 1 full sim. People started doing that last week."


God... I really can't imagine anyone continuing business with them after this. It would never cross my mind.
Hiawatha Kapelusz
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jun 2008
Posts: 95
MMMMmmmmmm .. its not looking good ..
11-06-2008 21:03
As from July .. I will be paying with the current conversion of US $ to New Zealand $, I will be paying $132 for my 1/4 Sim .. that I own .. but don't own ...

this is terrible .. as from then I'm out ..

or if not sooner in Jan .. that price is just ridiculous!!!
Ryanna Enfield
Registered User
Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
Some more of your own advice.
11-06-2008 21:13
There are links at the bottom of the page to other articles by M. that might be older, but not any less ironic I think.

http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3624215



"The most interesting part of the session was near the end when an audience member asked a question that struck at the heart of why the entire topic matters at all: "Why should we care what someone on a social network says about our brand?"

The most obvious answer is consumers can tell millions of their closest friends what they think. But there's more. Consumer comments within social media can influence purchase decisions. A new Compete Research study proves the effect of consumer-generated influence is quantifiable."
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Firelight Simca
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Posts: 156
11-06-2008 21:16
From: Vye Graves
God... I really can't imagine anyone continuing business with them after this. It would never cross my mind.


Oh, yes, a lot of people will continue to do business with them. And while some people will tier down and some will leave, some will rearrange or actually increase their land holdings.

It's a business.

Firelight
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