Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

exactly cause LL never did something smart as the residents do ....

Ok for everyone slinging mud and lighting fires...please try to stay focused on addressing the topic at hand.

Yes I know there are volatile issues here, and rightly so, I might add, but We do no one anygood when this very important forum thread degrades. This is a crucial time for the Residents, and We must stay focused if We wish our collective voice to be heard to be an instrument of change in this virtual society.


Thank you for that brief interruption. We now resume our regularly scheduled discussion.

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Ahhh Felix ... we can probably count the number of pure ocean open sims on one hand. Prims Prims Prims .. that's what its all about for most open sim owners.

Am I the only person who has noticed that actually LL aren't making a new 'Homestead ' sim ?

Open Spaces with 3750 prims will now be called 'Homesteads' and the tier will be increased to $125 in July 2009.

No change there , other than a name !!!

Non profits 'We will offer an educational discount to qualified educators on the new Homestead product. The discount amount will be the same as Private Regions, roughly 30%.'

Actually this is contradictory an inaccurate !
Np's receive a discount of 50% on private regions , including Open Spaces. So which is it ??
'the same as private regions' or 30% ?

New Open Spaces will be created with a prim allowance of only 750 the tier for the 'New' Open Space ' sim will be $75.

So you see, the Open Space sims have been so successful that LL have decided to take advantage of the success by substantially increasing the cost and convincing everyone that they are getting a new product !!! Actually they are devaluing the 'Open Space' Product by charging you all substantially more for what you are already getting !!!!

The 'New' Open Spaces will never be designed to succeed. The idea is simply to increase prices on Old 'Open spaces' by renaming them and persuading people they are getting a newer product !!!!

Come on LL wake up and improve it !! more prims for 'Homestead' sims, if you are going to charge more for them .

Which is exactly why they are about to become homesteaders or mainlanders. And it is definitely more than the prim count. They want the perks of a full sim at mainland prices which is completely puzzling.

Thats exactly how this announcement was designed. There may be 5% that stay on at 75$ and take the massive resource allowance hit, but the majority that stay with OS's are going to have to bear the 67% increase ... and get less than they currently have.

This is total abuse of customers.

I would like to understand from LL what option there will be to get refunds. Considering the construction effort so many have put in will be entirely lost, the very least they can do is buy back the OS's and refund a few months tiers.

Very wise words Barb and as has been suggested people should google the names of owners of these grids and research properly before putting any money into them and most importantly be prepared to lose any investment that you put in, yes I know a bit like here now So don't invest into them what you can afford to lose today and bear in mind that any potential returns are a way down the road at present. Most importantly do not expect an SL experience when you get there, there will be similarities but be prepared to put in effort and time helping them grow first which a lot will as people invest for instance what they saved here.

There is certainly room for 2 grids on my PC my other grid of choice is openlifegrid for the record

You're definitely going to need this link if you're trying to keep up with the flood of posts Jack Linden is making:

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Wrong, there are changes ... they will be more restrictive on scripts etc. So you will be paying 67% for less.

I would have to agree .. Jack and M don't talk much do they ?

How can we live anywhere our avatars are electrons on the superhighway they don't live But yes please Jack, clearly define living space!

I predict house boats will grow in popularity

Some might argue detaching clothes and putting on a run and jump ao through an OSS is "living" I guess that's not allowed?? Of course I'm being silly. But the point is that we see how LL is not skilled at explaining. They advise. They encourage. They disuade perhaps. With this they are trying to say NO this, NO that. But even that is frought with potential dangers. I am reminded of a story when I was in high school. During the geometry regents a student was given credit for a problem that asked him to plot some equations then NAME a point on the graph. He named it Charlie. Got full credit. And all this time I've tried to do something constructive. sigh

Well we used our OSS as its INTENDED use and we will NOT be keeping it at the same price! To continue in our present lifestyle, with the same prim allowance, we will have to change to a "homestead" sim at an increased tier rate.

Your comments: is a grossly unfair statement. We are here strictly for pleasure and spend our hard earned, real world dollars to do so. On top of it all, we pay an exchange on converting our dollars to USD. Are we upset, absolutely! Do we benefit from business profits in SL... not at all. Will it mean more money out of our pockets... absolutely. Should we be upset... absolutely. Did we get what we paid for or agreed to... no we did not!

... I leave that stupid comment alone! *rolls eyes*

Finally... if you think this revision posted by LL is an improvement, then there is something seriously wrong with your basic math skills and your perception of fair business practises!

A question for M and Jack:

How much price increase for a homestead is for the increased performance we reputedly need and how much of it is to pay for the revenue you will lose from existing openspace customers closing them down? Have the figures we are being quoted been increased to take any loss of revenue into account or are you going to have to make it up elsewhere?

To everyone else:

If you want to know this too then ask. Maybe if enough ask we may get an answer.

Just been using the mouse wheel to scroll through 94 pages. Was looking for M Lindens responses. All I got was a blister. Thanks M

A forum link with a 'searchid' is a temporary URL.. Once the cache moves on, it doesn't work any more.

The 2nd post of this thread - back on page 1 - has links to get all of Jack's posts and all of M's posts.

Seems that I'm not being all that thick in pointing this out then...wow, I'm well pleased with myself!

So...now we're essentially back to square one....

the name "homestead" was created. it is a newly defined thing. it has different prim limits and a different price.

i wrote this becuase someone else attacked me for the way i described the scenario of renters getting thrown off the land because the openspace owners probably wont want to pay for the homestead price upgrade and if they do, likely they will raise their rents, and that person got upset at me for "spreading rumors" cause they will assure that their reters wont get thrown off or have their rents raised (only way that happens if they upgrade to homestead).. anyway its an argument that shouldnt be occuring because i was talking about openspace which cannot be rented out as a home, and they were talking about their openspace rentals which have always been, and still are illegal and will not become legal UNTIL they upgrade to homestead.. which has only now been recently created as an OS category. its not just a new name, its has different prim and script limits and different usage rules.

I went looking for houseboats yesterday, and the lag was so bad at every place I went to I gave up. They must use heaps of prims and scripts, to make it so bad.

My OS has no lag at all and it was lovely to get back there after not being able to move around the boat places.

Please apologize in your having reversed a procedure for this matter.
At first a thing lacking in simulation at simulaters.
Anyone leaves if I pay $ 250 without complaining. The big loss is natural.

It does not begin even if I say irony.
Let's think constructively....

New Openspace is so small.
New Openspace does not become the article.
It is a useless lineup.Limit 10 avators? Is it the sea of the yacht racing
prohibition; a spectator where?

It cannot be settled fundamentally. The Linden laboratory should lend the server.
You should not lend Region.Please make responsibility clear more.
Let's stop the vague talk.Please already do the fantasy called the land in the past.
It is a only server(simulator).

If I am President, I do it this way.

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PLAN-A: Privare Region Server $295/month 15000Prims/Region
PLAN-B:HomeseadsX4 Server $295/month 3750Prims/Region
PLAN-Cpenspace X8 Server $295/month 1875Prims/Regon
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Very simple and perfect plan is there! Do you ignore it?
I do not hear the excuse! If you do not tell a lie, please do it this way.
It is all problems that this does not come out.
Cannot handle 16Old Openspace 1 with a server.
Is it all miscalculation?

As for present Openspace, most are the wastelands.Do you still raise it?

Please do Linden Lab price change, and please CHANGE of President,too.
He did not turn to the president of Linden Lab whether M Linden was an amateur.
You create it, and please revolutionize it.
There does not seem to be Linden Lab at all in U.S.A.
Please do innovation of the Linden laboratory

SLZIN HLDGS.Japan/Akko Yoshikawa

looks to me as much same rubbish in a different wrapper
come on jack be fair people paid hard earned money for the os they got in the current economical climate how do you expect people to pay more when most are struggling to keep there heads above water

YES. I KNOW THAT. I POINTED THAT OUT MYSELF. IN THE VERY MESSAGE YOU RESPONDED TO. READ THE WHOLE THING, OK?

You're doing ok if just your finger hurts!