Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

You missed out:

4) Go out of business.

In fairness to LL, the VAT issue is a European issue, that anyone providing a service to european users (even if a US based company) has to charge tax on.

I think some sort of revolt is due though... it's about time someone at the Lab actually listened to the people that keep them in employment.

Tomm, why you're so upset? Show me the kb article or something else who said "more then 750 prim usage is abuse". LL wrote, that estate owner have to LOWER the prims to 750 or less to get the old price of 75US$ and openspace SIM. If you use MORE then 750 prims, your OS will be moved to homestead. Thats all.

Your posts, and the posts from many other residents, are way too emotional and will bring a negative effect. HAL would say "take a stress pill and think things over". Maybe a good idea for many users.

But i also agree to some other users about the price ranges. I will post later a comment to this.

That may have tied a pretty bow around the same pile of crap, but once you get passed the smell.. its still crap wapped in ribbons.

Or you could see it this way, this gives LL another 6 months of sucking fees only to then do what they originally intended, and also downgrade the original product we paid for....
sorry still doesn't cut the mustard.
Ciao!

That's what they do if they ignore my 1, 2 and 3

Philip understood SL, even if he didn't always make the right decisions. Stepping down and letting M take over was one of those bad decisions.

If LL considered us as the shareholders we really are in their business, we'd have had a vote of No Confidence by now, and M would have been out on his ear.

Jump ship before you're forced, M ... that's what other Lindens have done. At least then you can do it with a bit of dignity.

Wow Mr Kingdon, whart happened to ya when ya left Organic?

You used to be all for working with the customer, making them a good deal...now look at ya...

I have just announced the closure of Spacexcape too. Linden Labs really screwed us over when they made the original announcement. See you on another server? Watch out for Blue Mars!
Spacexcape

Probably he is going to stay in a delicated position on near future again... ON COURT!!!
Lets see how he is going to handle it!

Let me get this right --- We can keep the $75 a month Openspace sim but at a prim reduction from over 3,000 to 750.... or we can pay more to keep what we originally bought...

WOW!!! I am impressed with the moxie. I guess your paid land owner base of around 85,000 residents must be so huge that you are willing to piss off a certain percentage. I am certain that you must of calculated that in your business model. At this rate, I am willing to bet that you can move your paid land based customers to around 75,000.

Or I could take my dollars and go support the opensim effort.....

i am maybe mistaken here i read alot in here but i didnt se anywhere any price for us that have OS and want to make them in to full sims.
this game cost alot as it is and now we are forced to buy more OS to be able to convert them in to full sims and then i guess Linden Lab will have money for that too?

i hope we can get some straight answere where this is going and WHEN this will be happening.
and why didnt linden lab know this from the past have secondlife just started up??

straight answeres please and some real readable prices!

Homestead regions are for quiet residential or light commercial use. They are not intended for events, malls, or other high-impact uses. When new changes go into place, they will support 3750 prims and 20 avatars, and will likely also have script limits.

this for 95$ in Janury and raisd to 125$ in July

More for the same product and with limitations?
NO!!!!

VAT is a real killer. We have US folks renting from us - does that mean we can claim the VAT back as it is "leaving the coutnry" in the same way that it "came into the country" in the first place. Although how they ever got to that is beyond me. That would help us as the 67% increase would be less - so to speak !

someone tell me why I should stay please. I'm currently stood on our full sim which is our home and where all the "stuff" is, overlooking our surrounding 8 OS which are scenery but because we wanted them to look pretty - trees / waterfalls - taking them upto approx 2500 prims and which as of this weekend will be no more as they are too abused to be opens anymore . What b******s

LL has managed to turn us all into "Natural born Sim abusers!" they could make a movie out of this you know

What do you need a house for in Second Life?

No, really.

I still don't get this.

Your avatar doesn't eat, or sleep, or eliminate waste, or consume anything. 99% of the houses around my build are empty 100% of the time. The owners are online, but they're never home, because nobody ever uses the homes they build. They spend all their time out of the house, just like they would in RL if they didn't need a place to keep heir stuff and take care of their body.

Houses in SL are just scenery, just like everything else.

So I live in an atoll. IN it. Under the water. Like the Rhine Maidens in the Ring cycle. In an underwater garden behind an underwater waterfall, because the cognitive dissonance amuses me. There's no furniture, because I don't need furniture. Sometimes there's a pose stand there. That's it. And it's only "where I live" because I have to have a home point somewhere.

I've built a house, and unbuilt it. Right now it's a burned out shell with a cockatoo nesting in it. It's scenery. Put it in an OpenSpace and nobody would blink.

What the heck does "habitation" mean, in Second Life? I honestly don't understand how they can enforce as vague a restriction as that.

Because they're different products with different features and price points.

I may not like the price points, but I do understand the product range.

Firelight

Are you charged VAT for selling L$ on the secondlife.com website? (I honestly do not know) If not you can use L$. Just sell enough each month to pay your tier. Tier comes out of the USD balance on your account before your payment method is charged. If you never have enough of a balance because you keep cashing out well that is fixable. Stop cashing out each month till enough is accrued to sell for tier, sell it, then start accruing for cash out.

If you are charged VAT for selling L$ on the secondlife.com website then I am curious as to why since you are not buying anything with it nor is the transaction leaving Linden Lab.

I realize that this is happening as a result of an oversight, but you fellows at LL need to realize that you are a real-world business, offering real-money retail transactions, and that you're expected to obey the same ethical guidelines as any other business.



Now, maybe you don't realize it... but please read that and ponder on how accurately it describes what has happened here.



Residents try to tolerate and understand that LL is a unique business with unique problems, but it's high time that Linden Labs grew up and started holding themselves to the same metric as a real-world company. This needs to happen BEFORE you get sued.

We cannot maintain good faith in your leadership if you willfully steer the company into such fiascos and dangerous waters.

Personally, I'm a bit irritated. NCI's OpenSpace sim Nova Civis Caledon is going to become useless in two months. But we can deal. I'm all about contingincy plans and spreading risk around when it comes to running NCI.

But as a marketing professional, I'm impressed. Linden Lab has managed to convince its customer base to demand what LL was planning to do all along--and happily take a cut in service and a hike in prices, along with it. You guys are getting good at this. Marketing and public relations have never been one of Linden Lab's strong points, but this speaks well for the future.

LOL means you cant set up your 6 people orgy bed i guess LOL

Free, if you have four OS sims. $250, if you have three. $500, if you have two. $750, if you have one.

I like the fact that a compromise was reached, but a few questions remain.

These new "Homestead" regions cost more. Do we get more for paying more? More prims? Higher limit of avatars, scripts, etc.? The reasoning being, I would be willing to pay up to $100 a month for what an OpenSIM gets, but any more than that ($125) would warrent residents to recieve additional benifits from the added cost. Otherwise it is worthless, and the complaining/protesting from residents will only continue.

Also, when can we expect Homesteads to be openly availible? I'm jumping on the opportunity to get one this December if possible, and only if the cost gives benifits.

To answer the previous question...

Habitation
–noun
1. a place of residence; dwelling; abode.
2. the act of inhabiting; occupancy by inhabitants.
3. a colony or settlement; community: Each of the scattered habitations consisted of a small number of huts.

So what LL is saying, is that if you or anyone else is using the land as a place for their avatar(s) to live on, it is technically a homestead.

/me sniffs...

Mmm.. I love the smell of sarcasm in the afternoon.

I absolutley agree with this statement - leave the price at $95 and you will see not near as many people upset.

Secondly it would be 100% better if we could purchase this Homestead through LL as this would eliminate us paying an extra $20-25 or more to a Private Land Owner who is the only person that can buy the Homestead and rake in the profits. This increase wont effect them since they will just get the money from their renters, unless their renters leave. A $125 charge is $150 to me. That means if I were to have two Open/Homesteads from my landowner it would be cheaper for me too buy a Full Sim.