Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

NO, no one is going to be 100% happy with this proposal and most will reject it I am sure. It's to much of a smoke screen, more being taken away and, under the concession of a two stage increase in tier, the price goes up anyway.

Think again LL.

For my part I was happy enough before this started but joined the protest, dumped land and started to look at the alternatives.

I thank LL for pushing me in that direction because I have found out a lot. I came out of my sleepy hollow and saw many new things. I am taking a virtual server space with high bandwidth for less than the current tier of OS and for that I can be in on the up and comming Open Simulator Project. I will be able to connect a cluster of 16 sims with more prims than SL could ever offer for the same price. And, though it is still beta, the pase of development is fast and I will be in on the ground floor of that with total freedom. It's just so easy and cheap to do.

But moreover, I have seen the future in Blue Mars, Nurien and Mycom and, while I will keep a presence in SL for as long as it is worthwhile, I will be getting a lot more for my money.

Will others go the same way. This past week has seen thousands heading there - you bet!

Re-think this LL and come up with something meaningful and honest. Not good enough!

We are not just customers, but 'evangelists' for the products, trying to get our friends involved, telling our bosses about a possible new way for the company to work... POTENTIAL INCOME.

Any businessman knows the worst thing that can happen is loss of income.

We are your greatest asset - telling people how great SL is. On the flipside, we can also be your greatest problem, if we're pissed off enough to tell people what a crock of crap the company and its product was by the way we were treated.

You choose.

"If this didn't hurt so much, in the wallet and the heart...."

Exactly....

I may be wrong, but I doubt M or J Linden have personally ever spent days combing stores, talking to builders, looking for the perfect items for their own SIM, creating something amazing for themselves and others to enjoy. So possibly they are missing a large part of what SL is actually about for their customer base. Maybe a reason they seem so out of touch with the people who 'inhabit their world'. However, I'm sure they are very aware of the financial effect of that emotional investment on their business and use it to ensure their continued cashflow.

As for the wallet side.... when I first came to SL I was amazed at the prices of land and continue to be. I'm sure to good old M or J, $125 is what they possibly spend a on a nice meal in a restaurant, for me its my grocery bill for a week. If that price was available directly from LL it could be bearable (split between a few friends). However, they aren't offering this option.

Hearts and wallets indeed.

In real life terms, my avatar doesn't "live" anywhere. Neither does yours, nor anyone else's.

Since I don't own a sex bed, does that mean I get a free ride on an OpenSpace?

That's not quite accurate. They were originally configured for 4 x 1875 prims under Havok1. Someone noticed that you could up it to 3750 prims without problems, and that would make a kick-ass product, so they did.

Then they rolled out Havok4, and suddenly every openspace on the grid slowed to a crawl, and they realized Havok4 requires a lot more memory than Havok1 did. THAT was when the problem actually started with openspace performance. There was no point where suddenly residents increased usage to the point it was hurting other users of openspaces. The performance problems started the day Havok4 was rolled out, and a couple patches later, they managed to make it not quite as bad, but performance still sucks compared to what it originally was.

hey Jack and M why not make it so we can buy the new homested sims with out buying a full sim come on help a brother out we need a way for the every day user to own a homested it whould help us out

Well wether LL realise it or not they have just commited commercial suicide, With the state of the s/l economy reflecting real life downturns and other worlds now starting in competition with lot lower tiers and in some cases no prim limit then the few who are leaving will become a flood, It was good while it lasted but you have killed the golden goose both by your arrogance by which you treat your clients and the obvious seeking of extra profits out of them,

Believe me second life will all but cease to exist in its present form by July 2009, It was fun till the Money people got involved and now they have all but signed its death warrant,

very sad,

If you think Linden Labs is stiffing you, wait until you see the terms of service for Blue Mars or Nurien.

Thank you Zinbaco
Now i understand better...
Maybe they want us to pay them a tribute.

And the worse is... they took a week to change a name!
I feel me like they are trying to insult my intelligence

Do you include the fact that a lot of customers are unhappy and that they have lost paying customers? And that many people no longer have any trust in LL as a business?

Firelight

how do we convert 4 OS to a full without the conversion fee. I tried the support, region issues, but the only conversion incurs a fee which I don't accept. Seems there are support options missing with this. Also do we have to clear the elected OS out of the 4 which will be remaining or can that be "restored" as a full.

signed long ago )))

Really? I'm kinda feeling a bit like I was played.. Sounds like a number of others are, too.

They are allowing people to convert OS sims back to full sims for no charge until Jan 5. Read the KB article.

Firelight

You know what that is brilliant..


They took 1 week to change a name. It sums it all up nice and soundly.

I checked out Openlife today and it looks nice and full of opportunities. And you know what's best? It's not owned by Linden Labs and there is no Pinocchio Linden telling you lies.
Think we can't make it work? Yes, we can!

Just feels like a pat on the shoulder. I don't think some of my tenants will buy it, they'll still leave. The damage has already been done.....

I really agree with that a lot. I don't see Havok4 as an improvment to SL in any way. I have to say it has hurt my "user experience" more then helped it. However, There are lots of things that I still enjoy doing in SL at the moment.

Why do you think it won't be all the same issues, all over again, with openlife?

The KB article referred to in the blog post.

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=5650

Firelight

I think it was stated that you need to submit a support ticket for that.

well if Sl gets a rival things will cahange and i think for the better

Because my estate will be running from my own computer.

Ahem...if I may summarize:

Pay the same, get a lot less than you bought and paid for originally.

Pay a lot more, and then a whole lot more, and get much less than you have now.

Honestly, at a time when processor, memory, and bandwidth costs are dropping like proverbial rocks, the thought of paying more for a service which will deliver far less than originally advertised isn't very attractive.

I'm now less happy even than when I heard the original announcement. I'm definitely going to keep my freebies tucked away, since I see no point in making money for Linden Lab. If this is the reward I get for providing public services and supporting charitable institutions, I'm not interested.

As a potential corporate user, even leaving aside the marginal utility currently offered, your business practices leave me in doubt that I would be able to budget and plan based on consistent and sensible Linden policies.

I think you're pricing yourself out of the market, and soon out of content. Aftermarket virtual content marketplaces already exist, and I must admit to being baffled as to your insistence on driving providers towards them, certainly something I'd never considered until very recently. I suppose I should thank you for that, but instead I'm just going to run some spreadsheets to see if I want to bother supporting you.

Good luck, you're going to need it.