Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I have been begging for months for LL to define their intentions and goals regarding how virtual real estate could be used as a business by users. Specifically I begged for a public announcement of a business plan such as...

We at Linden Labs view the virtual land on the SL grid as a commodity which should have pricing and supply to maintain a price point. or We at LL feel those who use private estates as creative communities should be rewarded with stable pricing and services. or We at Linden Labs feel that virtual land is merely a CPU and servers and we have not set plan to manage the resources as anything other than a means for performance stabilization.

But having seen this fiasco unfold...... so closely coming after the first OS and full sim pricing debacle earlier this year, I don't need to beg anymore.


I clearly see, and now beg YOU my fellow SL'ers to see the "land business" as merely as a virtual tide that ebbs and flows and moves w/o any control or planning. And honestly I'm ok with that NOW that it is clear. I just wished it came from their own mouth.

The truly sad part of this now is however that it does not only affect land "dealers" now. Those that rent land from us (and many of my renters pay cost or barely above) are the ones that are also getting jerked around now.

My suggestions were

Lower mainland tier, restrict parcel min size- people will drive back to mainland and in so doing take a greater appreciation of it and actually treat it better.

Allow product that only has water and land and say 200 prims- cant be rented, no L tranactions and not put in anyone's name but the estate owner. This would foster a greater creative outlet for nice lands and communities that people would actually pay a price for. There will always be a market for this. In so doing the slash and run land dealers will go by the wayside.

Announce another sim product run on servers as full prim sims are with fewer juice, at a lower price to anyone. Sell DIRECT LL. The problem with your pricing is, w/o direct sell of lighter products, the market up is prohibitive. Middle men price people out and increases fraud!

Sell full mainland regions like in a landstore system.


All these and many other suggestions begged you to take some control of the land market with some beefy economic tactics that would 1. make you money 2. reduce fraud and the uproar that understandably creates. 3. Foster creativity that makes SL BETTER! 4. Maybe improve mainland.

What you shot back to us really speaks NOTHING to the os pricing scheme. It speaks volumes to how business will continue to be done. And saying that...... I honestly feel almost liberated.


Oh edit to include. All of you people talking about sailing and what would help you stay where you are..... Is not the writing finally on the wall here? What we should have and some of us have slowly seen..... THEY DON'T care what helps you. They don't care about sailing. I founded SL New England. I spoke at length about sailing and they knew about OS sim use and this was all over 2 years ago.... It's not about any of this. This is the final piss on the people.

Nautilus will be ripped off too as soon as the time is right. They just wait for the right moment, just as with the open space sims.

Yes, so? I write a JIRA proposal for limiting avatars to 10 on an OpenSpace a year ago, so I see no problem with that.
I'm sure they know how to do that. I'm also sure they know that applying resource limitations outside the application (say, in a virtual machine) will cost them as much overhead as jamming a whole extra OpenSpace in per core (yes, even VMWare has overhead of 20% for typical applications).
I didn't say that, I said that textures don't, and scripts won't once they turn the throttle down, and they're now limiting avatars as they should have in the first place.

I have read the blog and the KB article. Am still confused as to what I will be ending up with if I choose to migrate to a homestead. What exactly are we getting for our 125 USD per month? I want to know what the performance is going to be! How can I possibly make an informed decision without the information? And furthermore, you are making me keep my landlord in limbo while we wait for this information to roll in. It is not fair to make the announcement without some kind of information to back it up, so PLEASE get us the info soon. I would hate to see my landlord miss out an an opportunity to convert my sim for nothing because I wasn't provided the information. If you are going to keep us in limbo, I would hope you'd extend the offer to waive the conversions.

I for one was hoping for some kind of performance increase, not decrease. It would be nice if the OSR's being used as homesteads have at the least, and I say least as my lowest expectation, the same performance as they have now. I would HOPE that they are something better at that price. I could care less about avatar counts as mine usually has 2 avatars on it. My concern is how this will affect scripts. I don't care about the prim count. 3750 if plenty of prims.

PLEASE, PLEASE get us the info soon. This is really putting a damper on creativity!

Yes, I did miss that..

Wow.. All the Nautilus openspace sims exceed the new rules.. I guess that's good news for the people living in that area, tho - LL is going to have to upgrade them all to homestead sims.

This new policy seems to at least come halfway to meet the needs of the Residents. I'll look forward to seeing the comments as the word gets out.

SL is certainly an incredible experiment in group communication and informational management. We all learn about how this works at the same time, LL included. Far as I can tell, rants and raves didn't help; constructive comments and suggestions did.

Second Fail

What if you bought an open space, in good faith and with no covenant btw, and you used less than the 3750 prim, but require more than the homesteads allow in traffic? Are you screwed?

Respect, trust and credibility aside—because as far as I am concerned, Linden Labs lost those long ago—one thing one hopes you would work toward is to be taken seriously—especially in a virtual world. But now I can't take it or any representative of LL seriously anymore. Neither can I take any of these policy changes and adjustments (damage control) seriously; not even this thread.

Linden Labs is now, in my opinion, a gigantic cartoon. To me you'll forever have big clown faces on, trying to convince everyone how 'real' the circus is, and therefore, how great it will be to invest in.

Luckily for you—at least for now—there is an endless supply of newbies to take the place of those who have left and refill your coffers.

"Second Life/Linden Labs, where your creativity, your investment of money and time, amounts to nothing."

Has a certain ring to it.

Cheers.

Getting a little tired of LL implying "over use" of OS sims.

The fact is you OVERSOLD SEATS that you do not have. The only abuse is from the lab.

Read that twice M. Let it sink in. Know your public.

Who set prims to 3750?

Who set avatars to 100?

Who allowed the land to be divided and sold?

Who allowed them to be placed anywhere on the map..even as stand alones?

Why claim the sims were used "not as intended". It's like selling a pie and saying...we didnt intend for you to eat it. we wanted you to wear it for a hat!

bait and switch....

A giant crock of poo. Linden Lab style.

And a question...what of jack? He's repeatedly shown to be out of touch at the best of times. Will you continue to let this spoiler dip his clumsy hands in the mix. If so...why? Any random halfwit could do a better job.

The lindens were using them for FULL PROJECTS!!!!!
So... Sure, its OUR problem the OS are overload. They were using them for the same reasons we were.

Sailing doesn't mean regattas.

I sailed on Sydney Harbor for 10 years and was involved in maybe a dozen races over that whole period... and that only because I had to to stay in the club. Still managed 2nd place once, for all I never "practiced" racing.

They did listen?? first they just wanted more money from us...now they want more money from us and put limitation to the product. Are you really sure they did listen, or did they just missunterstood us?

Snowflake, just curious do you own any OSS? Do you own any full sims?
If you do own full sims then I am to assume that if you had to lose it because you could not pay a 66% increase you would just consider it an entertainment cost?

Then you certainly must have more bucks than me.....If you do own full sims I cant wait to see your responses when they increase your tiers to 500 Per month to fall in line with the homestead prices

this is not meant as a personal attack by any means so please do not take it that way.

I am just trying to understand you logic and indifference to those who are suffering from this

Not applauding them for ruining my project! if they though I was being sincere then ... "I rest my case"!

There is no change in how many prims you can have when the sim is reclassified to a homestead one. If you are using less than the 3750 prims previously then no problem, the homestead sims come with 3750 prims If you need more than 3750 go to a Full Region (15,000 prims)

Here's the bottom part of the KB:

What are the policies around land rental on Openspaces?

Openspaces are not approved for residential or commercial rental, or for habitation. They are only for open areas of scenery and parkland.

10 Avatars and 750 prims is too low for the sailing community. A typical race can have 8-10 participants off the bat. There are also race marshals too. I can see it now, the racers enter a sim and bam, the last 3 cannot enter because the sim is already full.

FAIL

Rework!

I don't think there are any parcels for sale in the Nautilus OpenSpace sims.

That doesn't sound correct unless they are judged to be Homestead sims with 3750 prims. What about the light use sims with 750 prims?

I think she is a mainland slumlord but i cant be sure.

There will also be traffic and script limits.

1. Can a Full Region owner still buy a single Homestead SIM or do they need to go in sets of 4.

2. Can single Homestead regions still be bought and sold between Full Region owners? There was indications in the original announcement that OS's would go back to set of 4.

3. What slice of CPU will homesteads have? OS's share 4 per CPU.

There aren't - I said "in that area" not "in those sims".