Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I'm with you guys on this one. I'd buy that product straight away, even taking into account that in Q3 the tier will go up, if I could bypass the full sim ownership restraint. As a matter of fact, my dream would be a Homestead and maybe a couple of OS, without having to fork out the tier and initial cost of a full sim. It's a dream, nothing rational or based on calculation. A quiet place to call home, some sea space... who knows, maybe LL one day will cater for us "middle class" too.

Soooo instead of shafting us hard and roughly, you think a slow shafting over 7 months will be more bearable Jack?

Not Happy, no where near happy with the *coughs* suddenly syrupy caring words which actually mean diddley squat

I agree it's good that the Lindens have listened and changed their proposals. It's good, too, that the price increase has been postponed for what's now to be called Homesteads. What still feels bad is the level of the new prices. $125 is still too much for this product - even if it's Q3 instead of Q1. And $75 for 2009-style Openspace is far too high!

I'd prefer to see this:

1. a price for Q1 of $75 for Homesteads, with a price freeze after that for all of 2009.

2. clearly defined and enforced limits on prims and scripts. Keeping Homesteads at 3750 prims seems fair - it's what I understood Openspace to be and it's what I can live with. If we have server problems - enforce script limits and make everyone aware of it. If we can't support flash mobs or events on an Openspace or Homestead - so be it. Make it clear and we can survive. (But let's allow the occasional party!!)

3. a clear and easy way for the creative amongst us to make and keep beautiful spaces we can use - at a price that's easily affordable. If we choose to build a beach house or a skybox, so be it. If we choose to have a beach or a park, so be it.

4. flexibility in the rules for content and usage of Openspaces (2009 style) - if the prim limit is to be lower than for Homesteads, then let's allow people to use that 750 (or 1000, which I think would be better) in whatever way suits the space - if it means a beach hut - allow it!! Let's not be dogmatic and say "houses are forbidden" or "ocean or parks only".

It's in the KB article.

That's much too harsh. As annoyed as you are it's not the way to go about this.

Pigs in lipstick is the correct definition.

Light use was never defined as 'no home. Compared to what sims commonly are used for having just a house on a sim is 'light use'.

Sad - this is really sad - you insult the intelligence of each and every land owner in here and those supporting this are obviously confused or lacking in that area because all you have done is sell us one thing - deliver it and then ask for it back to change it?..

Logical? I think not - I bought a new Mustang, lets just say, and it has a big ass engine in it..and now a little while down the road Ford decides that they could have got more money for that little puppy so what do they do? Come to my door and yank out that engine, give me a nice little four cylinder and I rush out to the driveway to give them huge hugs for being so thoughtful, responsive?

Not very likely! I'd be on the phone to the cops and then to the lawyer - any sane person would be and yet you think we are to read this..pulp..and just say wow..thats great - thanks so much..

*just shaking my head in total disbelief*

Refund every dime to those that purchased OS, if thats their decision, those that remain you may feel free to do with as you please.

Because ppl believes that a corporate that operates in the IT sector would know (and adopt) the technology to enforce these limits (CPU utilization, not stupid av limits or script throttiling) assigned the those resources properly and not HOPING that the users will regulate emself according to a set of rules that doesn't EXISTS. You set the limit to 10 av, 750 prims and script throttling.. great! Now explain to me what happens if i place 750 prims with a 1024x1024 different texture on each side, and i invite 10 avatar running 250 hi-load script per each attachment of each avatar... am i in the rules? Yes i am... will i lag the whole thing? Yes sure (and until here it's fine...).... *BUT* will i lag the other simulator sharing the same core? YES! ...and why? Because Linden Lab doesn't know HOW to apply properly a resoruce allocator. You believe that? I don't.. it's because i say: there's no problem here (not abuse or so..), it's all just and ONLY money.

the people that use the OS as intended are saved the ones that were using as not intended should pay more.
in future it would be good to open discussions on things like this before making a huge change that you know will piss people off,then make your decisions from the feed back you get,it will save alot of the massive uproar and help keep peoples blood pressure in check
thank you lindens for finally removing your brains from that very dark place down south.

Frankly I'm surprised they capitulated by any degree. Consider it a victory everyone.

The 10 avatar 750 prim limit is reasonable under the original, stated intent for an openspace, but It really should have been that to begin with, if that original, stated intent was in fact meant to be followed.

The Homestead option to me is unclear. Are these regions still being shared 16 to a server? If so, why is it okay to overload them for a few dollars more? That just seems odd.

Edit: I see jack's answer to my question here: /356/24/291220/8.html#post2208802

3 per CPU would make more reasonable sense.

My advice is to consider your "loss" either an "entertainment expense" or costs associated with "patronage of the arts." Neither one of those are a true loss.

If the true definition for Openspaces Lite is going to be 750 prims and limited to 10 avatars,

and if having a light amount of residents to help pay for tier means prices rising to 125 USD then I am preparing for the death of SL sailing in a private sim enviroment.

The United Sailing Sims is 130 sims of which about 90% are openspaces. Do the math, thats 8775 USD each month divided among 8 SL hobbiests. If we cannot use Openspaces in the way we have, or if we cannot be accomodated in a fashion that allows us to raise money to pay for that 8775 USD each month, then the United Sailing Sims is dead.

I had recommended to Jack and Robin Linden an Openspace lite poduct that would allow 1550 prims for 50 USD. THAT would have been a reachable goal for us to have appealed to the SL Sailing community. But of course we are not presented with anything like that.

If a sim like Santa Catalina heavily used for sailing has to drop to 750 prims it it will loose its renter/owner. If it is limited to 10 avatars we cannot hold regattas that pass thru its waters. If it is throttled down in such a manner that any burst in sim activitily when a fleet of 12 to 12 boats enter it, it chokes. THESE CONDITIONS are not supportable. We will have to abandon SL as a viable platform

I really dont expect LL to go back to the drawing board on this again. Thus I am EXTREMELY sad. Alhough I have not polled the other seven USS owners yet, I think i can safely predict that the Camelot that was the USS-SL is going to fade away because of LLs decision.

What happened to Mitch Kapor's goal of funding a future virtual world where real people could build a viable virtual PLACE. I believed in you Mitch. I believed in LL's original mission. I feel betrayed.

Although I thank Linden Lab for listening to the residents of SL and also for making an effort to negociate, it seems to have gotten worse and not better on certain aspects.

I totally disagree with this: 75 USD is far too much to pay for only 750 Prims and 10 avatar access, no event listings or classifieds. Seems this worse not better. 20 avatars is more acceptable and for this amount of prims, the price should not be higher than 50 USD .. but honestly give them back their 1800 prims for 75 USD. This is "fair" not this ridiculous proposal of only 750!

As for the new Homestead product, at least 40 avartars for that price.. certainly FAR less restrictions. 1/4 mainland sim and even smaller parcels have much fewer restrictions if any at all! For this price, we deserve to have any kind of commercial usage that we want, without restrictions. This is just unfair!

I agree with the gradual price increase and the continued discount for educators but all else seems too far short of the line of acceptance. I am gravely disappointed.

After much careful consideration and thought, the idea of becoming a permanent resident has suddenly lost its appeal.

This is a good start on what was an extremely poorly executed rate increase. I will look forward to hearing the specific details of each type of openspace.

I don't see anything in the KB article that says ANYTHING is forbidden.

It says if you want your sim to continue to be an OpenSpace, you have to:

Reduce the prims to 750 or less.
Remove renters.
Contact concierge.

There's nothing in there about what those prims can be.

*just shaking my head at you and walking away..*

You can't live there, so you're going to have a hard time putting a house on it and saying you don't live there.

Dear Linden Labs

Please refund me 250x2 for my opensims
I didnt buy them for the purposes you now intend them.

Who can trust LL now? So we all go and get a few "homesteads" and then LL in thier ostrich-style of management realizes down the road "oh no, we have a problem. So let's take even more money from those people that support us".

How long until the next money grab? 1 year? 2 months?

The trust is gone ... this pittance won't repair what the ostriches have destroyed.

Look if LL wants to charge 125 per month for a homestead fine, but that is not what I bought.....I purchased a OSS with 3750prims for 75 per month tiers. I would consider the OSS I bought light use, but apparently LL does not. I guess 1 person using 1875 prims is abuse.

So since you lead me to believe it was light use when I bought it I just want a prorated refund. That would make me happy

I don't mind paying the 95 increase since mine is obviously a Homestead. What I do mind it the increase to 125 come July. If you are going to do that they why not sweeten the pot a bit for us and give us 5000 prims on our open space instead of the 3750?

I bought my land in good faith being new to SL. I was never told there was a place on the website to read about what OS was intended for and the terms "light use" were never used by ANYONE, or I would never have bought it for a home. I feel like my Estate Owner who has been at this a very long time should have told me. So a word to the wise you Estate Owners.....PUT SOMETHING IN THE COVENANT THAT DIRECTS PEOPLE TO FINDING OUT ABOUT OPEN SIMS!!. I was very new to SL and we newbies depend on the people we do business with to "pay it forward" and help us out.

So I don't really expect Lindens to give a shit about my opinion, but I felt I needed to say it anyway. 125 a month is still way to much. That increase should at least have a prim increase accompany it.

They waited to sell thousands of OS and make thousands of our MONEY to make say they have a tecnical problem. They waited for ppl to convert full sims in OS for what?
Were ppl converting thousands of OS to make them ocean and forests? THEY ARE SCAM!!!!

GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK!!!! THIS IS SWICTH & BAIT

Good luck with that...frank corsi, Japser Tizzy's scammer grid

If so, it's got nothing to do with technology. Because sims don't care about textures... they're just a UUID and a file in a squid cache... and they already have the tools in place to throttle scripts so they don't lag other sims. That's not what they were designed for, but they can and apparently will apply them to limit your total script time to 1/4 of a sim's worth.