Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I know that, they even told people it support chat they can live on them!

well I guess my next question to all this is LL going to increase the prims on these homeland spaces for the 125L month or ever the 95 L a month?

Jack, that is petty...

Everyone here is in total disagreement with the move. I thought it was a majority rule decision... democracy and all that.... oops nope, I was wrong, its capitalisticism.... meaning that if you have money, just rob those who do not have to feed those who do. The reverse Robin Hood mentality.

It's in the knowledgebase article:

"If you are using your Openspace as a rental or other unapproved use, such as habitation, you are really using what we call a Homestead"

A house is for habitation generally, if you're not using a forest or an open waterway you're going to have a damn hard time getting away with being an openspace.

four days to go before I give up my Open Space sim . No way will I be ripped off by LL

the technical troubles with these OS were posted many times you just have to read and keep informed and the uses were told as light use. They didn't say buy this and build whatever you want and lag the hell out of everyone else, it is a fair compromise some people will just never be happy no matter what ......be happy you have a compromise that is very fair

I want to see Jack or M define "habitation", then. It's meaninglessly vague. I am 100% certain I could create an openspace with a house in it that nobody would complain about, not even Linden Labs.

You upgraded the sims from 1,875 prims.

To 3,750 prims.

Yet using over 750 is abuse.

Somebody needs to get fired.

Well, this was a much better response from Linden than I expected. Worded much better, with many details in the KB article. (Still needs more info on script limits, but Jack says that's coming...)

Many people did specifically ask for a delay in implementing the prices changes (with an announcement of when they would be implemented) so that they could absorb the new increases into their business/personal budgets.

And I heard several statements by residents that open spaces (the scenary type) could work with 1000 prims or less and lower avatar limits.

Residents also asked for the free conversion and the ability to prorate the purchase if they had an odd number of open space sims.

I suspect I'm about to get flamed by others who wanted more than this, but I think it's fair to say that Linden did implement some of the resident requests.

It's too bad that this response was not posted within the first few days of the original post, but you responded sooner than I expected as well.

Firelight

Well... LL is going to end sooner then they think. I know that lot of ppl are moving to others grids and more ppl will leave sl on the next months. The only thing that makes me sad is that they got already to much of our money on their pocket.
They are in trouble already... Why they dont end with the bots? they are saying that for a long time. The awnser is easy, they dont end with the bots because 30% or more of the residents login are bots and for publicity reasons they dont stop that. But, they care about if ppl are using copybot to steal products? NO!!! They just care about them. They are the worst type of ppl ive ever met!

From the KB article:

"If you are using your Openspace as a rental or other unapproved use, such as habitation, you are really using what we call a Homestead."

Same Shit - Different Day

Linden Lab After 5 Years Get A Clue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Still Ripping Us Off With A New Spin On It !!

Actually You Are Ripping Us Off "more".......

No I'm sorry but this is absolute balderdash. Others have reported they asked before purchasing an openspace if they could use it as a light use residential and were told yes.

I know I raised the issue more than once about their intended use. Nothing was done about it. They kept selling the product in droves though.

Yeah, apart the fact that the UUID identify a texture that has to be uploaded to your client, and the bandwidth usage (according to Jack Linden words) was one of the issue.
Also limiting the agents to 10, means that you can't have more than 40 avs per core, that is the SAME core that may host a regular region (that supports 100 avs).
So they are hard limiting all the resources down because they doesn't know (or won't) how to allocate these resources per simulator outside of the application.
If you were right (avatars, script, texture usage won't impact on your neighborn) then i see no reason to place a limit (the script can be trothtled anyway, the avs can be 20, the prims can be 1/4 of a normal region and so on...), so the problem never existed? So the if you load your sim with s*it you won't never hurt other region sharing the same core?
The possible replies are just two: you can abuse of your region and hurts other regions on the same core (so i am right and LL is not allocating the resource correctly); or: you can abuse of your region without hurting the others (you are right, and LL lied from the start).

While I am not completely satisfied with the actual plan, at least now I can make a clear judgment about whether any particular configuration is worth what I have to pay. Thank you LL for making it very clear.

My only request at this point is to give us a peek into what the script limits might look like for the OS and Homestead regions. Perhaps you cannot implement it yet, but part of the decision making that must go on in the next months involves what that number might be.

I don't like the outcome, but thanks for listening.

M?

If this is fixed:

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8503

Then we will have a whole lot less lag. Probably including having lots of avatars (more than 20) in a regular sim will be feasible again.

So if you are interested in lag reduction of the magnitude that will reduce the load on the back end systems in a major way while dropping the amount of bytes flowing from LL to your pc with the additional positive result of the cache beginning to work, things staying rezzed, etc....

Go read, vote for, and set a watch on that pjira defect.

You mean Homesteads, not OpenSpaces, right? For that matter, will (the new) OpenSpaces also get the Class 5 bump, or will they remain at Class 4s?

Ashe rented out openspaces as home sims even long before they were made buyable by 1 instead of 4. Linden Labs knew this all along.

I must say, after reading the updated plan a couple of times, I do not see anything particularly new here, with the exception of the date of the rate increase. Rates will still rise 66% to $125 per month. Rather than the deadline for the increase being January 2009, they will take effect in July 2009. If you want to have just water and a few trees, then you can continue to pay $75 per month for a "redo" on what you have now.. that is, you will not be able to do much at all with it. Throw out any work you've put into the place, because you'll be over the prim, script, avatar limits. No doubt there will be far, far less prims than 3750. But then, who would want 3750 trees and rocks anyway? This redo of what you have now will be extremely limited as to what you can do with it. The "Homestead" is laughable. It's the same product only decked out with a fancy new name, The Homestead. Keeping it at $95 makes more sense than raising it to $125 in July. I could stomach a $20 per month increase better than a $50 increase. Perhaps moving the deadline to July for the 66% price increase will enable folks to make plans to find other arrangements, as in finding another grid on which to play and work. In my way of thinking, your new plan is simply the same old pony being trotted out. The only thing different is you threw a fancy blanket over it. But it does not change the end result. Many people will lose what they have worked for, thru no fault of their own. As I see it, you should have had restrictions/limitations on the OS in the first place. By giving people 3750 prims, you were essentially giving people the matches, then you complain about the fire. I have to shake my head on this.. it's unfathomable, the sheer disregard for the customers that have made SL what it is today.

They knew ppl were using them for more them just forest and ocean, they even gave us more prims to use to make the product more atractive. People converted thousands of OS and they didnt care for what use they were using for. They waited this long to full their pockets and full them more again now.

True...missed that they just dont want sailing at all in sl like it looks

When vista was not working at all , Bill Gates gave his chair to someone else.
Same thing happened with Linden.
My expirience : except one linden board member who is the best, i did not encounter good help in the past , not listening to residents, only pocket filling is what it is al about. The diference between Myspace, Facebook, Google, and all others is. IT IS FREE ! they also have many employees to be paid for every month. Sl = created by it's residents ! But helt under control that they don't build things more greatly and more powerfull to atract more people and make it more popular then WOW. Stop hiring people at linden lab ! really......after almost 2 years I still love SL and the improvements. But with the money I've spend in SL , I could go 10 days to vegas and Gambble like hell !!!. Same thing will happen, lots of money in , nothing comes out. or maybe your tier , when your lucky. Best thing off all is , that with that money we make SL better , and organize things to get more people into SL. And what do we get in return ? someday you guys will get it !. Gambling is forbitten in SL , while SL itself is the biggest pokergame !

Open Space, Closed Space, whatever....it should be FREESPACE ! , then you will see what happens with second life. only by having sponcors like google that is possible. And Sl has lots of pages on the website to put those on.

ahhhh....that felt good. took me 2 years to scream it out.

Personally I find it most interesting that:

*OS Sims now called "homesteads" Will cost 125 a month, as previously announced.
*"Homesteads" Will be scaled back from unlimited avis, scripts etc. to 20 Avitars, script limits, etc etc for the increase in price.

Now maybe my math is bad, but how can you Increase the tier, while quietly decreasing the performance of these new "Homesteads"?

I tend to agree with others, if the tier is going to be as high as its stated, and the performance is going to be capped as announced, why cant the homestead sims be purchased independantly of a full prim sim. Seems to me that is the ONLY thing out of all of this that would make them even remotely attractive going forward.

incase someone missed it, yeah, they sure do.

http://jira.secondlife.com/secure/attachment/19935/void+sims+used+in+Nautilus.gif