Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

They must earn it in world as my sales statistics bear this out as a fact.

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At one club I built (strip club) the dancers there are averaging $1000 a night in which the owner(s) get a cut, dj's get tips, hostess get tips the list goes on. These people spend those tips on a wide range of items. So if these non-verified people can not access their places of employment, every type of business in SL will suffer economic losses.

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Think about the economic loss of the employees. No more income - no more SL.

I'd venture some, but I'd hazard a guess many are getting it from a main account.

There we agree - as I said, the main reason organisations come to SL is to engage the general public. They come to SL because they believe that there is a large and disparate user community there for them to engage with.

In order for LL to attract those organisations into SL, it needs to attract and retain individual end users.

It isn't clear that LL will achieve that by changing the terms of use every six months (as it did with OpenSpaces six months ago, and now with mature spaces), whilst not addressing the inappropriate content and greifing that greets new comers in the (already PG designated) welcome areas.

Matthew

I know quite a few people who are no payment info on file, but spend quite a lot of real money on SL. Many people don't want to give Linden Labs their credit card details, but instead buy their L$ from one of the independent currency exchanges, such as 'Anshex'.

Allex.

It was mainly associated to Age play and its negative publicity from t, hell we hada enough of it here in the UK on Channel 5 & Sky News.......its nothing to do with Second Life the actual platform nor the Adult Content contained in it.

How do you think these same countries are going to react, when they let loose RL kids onto the grid?

Just to clarify. i AM an American, and damn proud to be so, BUT.. if you look around the globe at what 100 years, and especially 50 years of US foreign policy had done, you will see that we do, in fact, have this nasty little habit of taking an insular world view.

Further, when i ask my muslim physician why Islam hates the US, one of the single largest complaints is "exporting our culture." That is trying to impose our views, mores, sensibilities on the rest of the world. And while LL might be HEADQUARTERED in the US, it is not simply an american company, it is a global company with a global presence and a global customer base. It is required to take a global view. But again, the imposition of censorship, anywhere in the world, is offensive, stifling creativity is offensive, trying to control freedom of expression and the sharing of ideas.. OFFENSIVE...

I'm not nation-bashing, far from it. America has done many profoundly beneficial things, and I am the first to acknowledge that, but we have also made mistakes. Being "patriotic" doesn't mean saying "my country right or wrong." Being patriotic means being honest and objective about what we as a nation have done right, and not being afraid to admit what we have done wrong. It's simply the truth, and opening your eyes and looking beyond our shores, perhaps even traveling beyond our shores in something other than a TP, would help you to understand that America isn't perfect. That other cultures have value, and diginity and a right to self-expression in whatever forms they choose. As long as it is NOT stifled by some all-knowing, all-powerful yet notoriously arbitrary ruling elite.

Further, there are so many problems with this "policy" who defines what is and isn't "adult?" Who makes the judgement about the "perverse" nature of one culture over another? Who decides what art contitutes "pornography?" MullahOmarIdiAminMilosivichHitler Linden?

who can say... FACISM...

That's not how I understand the blog and the Linden comments on the Verification thread. It seems that just having a PayPal account is all it will take.

I mean, sure, there may be some folks who are strangely drawn to SecondLife but otherwise refuse to ever transact any business online at any website, never bank online, just nothing... and maybe a few of those have earned enough L$s in-world that someone might care, but I'll bet they're countable on one hand. Everybody else is just a few clicks from verified as far as I can figure out.

I dunno. If the OpenSpace travesty meant windfall profits for LL, it would be a surprise to me. Seems to me that for every person willing to put good money after bad to repurchase what they thought they bought from LL before, there are several who just give up.

So I see it more or less the opposite: LL is once again intent on slaughtering the goose that lays their golden eggs. These threads are our only chance to keep them from destroying their own revenue streams. And so far it doesn't seem to be going very well.

She's a tough ol' goose, but it really doesn't help egg production to keep whacking at her with these hatchets.

OR

They purchase them outside SL from several outside sources, including Xstreet, or Ebay. The thing to remember is every $L that moves inside SL is money in Linden pockets. It comes via the purchase of $L, AND the Exchange of $L.

Now that LL owns Xstreet they are even making more money on every item purchased by charging a TAX to every seller.

So it boils down to one thing. The only person that is guaranteed to make money in SL is LL, So you can see the complete lack of motivation for them to care about any single business entity. As long as new people flow in it just means more money for them. By the time these new people realize this and quit, meny more have flowed in behind them... Kind of like cows getting milked

Mmmm, the problem with in world concerts when they've been attempted in the past, is that normally you can only accomodate an audience of about 40-60 people, and even then there is a good chance the sim will crash or lose the audio/video stream and trying to do anything is like treacle, and the framerate dropping to slideshow speed.

Or you could just stream the concert (or pay per view film) to a website, and send everyone the URL. No worries about lag, and you can maximise the film to full screen (rather than have the picture at a strange angle surrounded by bits of virtual world and you may be able to get the audio in 5.1 surround.

Matthew

They want to give their funding source info to Anshe and not Linden Lab? Are they completely insane???

And what's your confidence level that being 'age verified' via just having a paypal account will make things safer for kids, etc?

Absolutely zero.

Is there a problem with that?

Nope! Just making sure everybody except the few rabid people here understand what all this effort is going to buy us..

I'll agree to a point, however, if these new people flowing in are restricted to where they are allowed to go, many many existing SL or Xstreet businesses will suffer further economic loss thus resulting in those content creators leaving SL and giving a final finger wave to Linden Lab.


I am also still waiting for a Linden to step up and start answering the threads questions.....me not holding my breath however.

There's a thread in RA that, in theory, will make it easier to see what LL says..

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There are means to broadcast high quality video to multiple sims in SL, where the audience can interract with one another and with the performers. Interraction is the added value SL has to offer. The entertainment is interractive rather than passive.

[this is being demonstarated inworld in about half an hour, btw. I'll send you an LM if you would like]

Just an example . There's plenty of companies selling L$ - I expect there are a lot of one off purchases made via paypal.

Allex

I'm really confused about all the references to native Americans. Am I to understand that Nany, self-identified as Cherokee, is in favor of forced migration of a group of people in SL, many of whom have been here longer than her? Are we to be put on our own adult reservation? Were I Cherokee, I think I would be deeply disturbed by all this.

She was just trying to derail the conversation. Ignore her.

Thanks for your input - We are reading each of these responses. We'll be following up later this week with a recap and schedule of in-world brown bags next week.

UPDATE...please check condensed thread for continued dialog on the subject...
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