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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Ciaran Laval
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03-15-2009 17:40
From: Nany Kayo
Renee, this is a very important issue for the nonprofit project I am directing. I want to make sure our prospective on this is made as clear as possible to Linden Labs. I don't know whether or not that has been accomplished yet, so I will keep watching for a while. I haven't flamed anyone. I haven't even called anyone an idiot, and I have been sorely tempted to.


Stephan Mrigesh
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03-15-2009 17:46
From: Nany Kayo
Renee, this is a very important issue for the nonprofit project I am directing. I want to make sure our prospective on this is made as clear as possible to Linden Labs. I don't know whether or not that has been accomplished yet, so I will keep watching for a while. I haven't flamed anyone. I haven't even called anyone an idiot, and I have been sorely tempted to.

But the whole point is that we should not to have to abide to your Tribes standards, for we are each unique like snowflakes across the plains. I am suggesting keep things the way they are as citizens here occupying the same space, and instead of shunning our differences, we rather investigate them, and make our survival tricks to your advantage.
Most of all have fun doing it, instead of name calling, which I apologize.
Monty Walworth
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Apparently Linden Labs can forget at will...
03-15-2009 17:46
From: Deltango Vale
Based on this policy, thousands of residents invested millions of dollars into Second Life.


Originally Posted by Linden Lab, December 2006
"[W]e cannot play the role of arbitrating personal grievances or defining behavioral standards. This is particularly important as Linden Lab becomes more international. We don’t want to force a California-centric set of rules on the virtual world...."

Well it seems their grand ideals can be spouted and then forgotten when it darn well suits them, Leaving those of us who pay the tier, buy stuff, invent stuff and put a lot of our life and time in it to watch it fall to pieces around us. How does one trust a company who says one thing and then when it suits them, they do an about face and do just the opposite? Well one can't. We must all assume by LL's actions, that inspite of their urging our comments and participation in this process, that they have little or no interest in what's best for the residents who have made SL into what it is, but only what will further them in the business world, get advertisers in, make them more money. We are simply the vehicle that got them thus far and now they couldn't care less what becomes of the SL we all knew. Or to the residents who have made it.
RichD Tomsen
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03-15-2009 17:48
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Pappy Enoch
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Don't come fo' the hillbillies!
03-15-2009 17:50
From: Renee Faulds
a good friend of mine just told me,

"tell her that i get bad rap for being applachion - people say i hillbilly"

So next we should ban these people


Jist yu wait. I knowed frum the top o' my head that them Linden Gorillas wood be a-comin' aftur us hillbillies.

Dagnabbit! Cain't even git nekkid in the fake wirld no mo' now. I'm packin' up the wagon an' goin' tu Texus.

Pappy Enoch,
Virtual Hillbilly
RichD Tomsen
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03-15-2009 17:51
From: Matthew Dowd
My own personal belief is that what really puts newcomers off is the griefing and inappropriate content at welcome areas, PG sandboxes, and other public PG areas, and those that don't follow the existing rules are unlikely to follow the new rules either...

Matthew


You know what Really puts people off...

1) Client Crashing after a very short use
2) Textures taking forever to Rezz even on quick connections
3) LL Idea to "FIX" slowness is to "Lower Your Settings" Come on... How about Fix the Product
4) No real value to premium account
5) Texture cache doesn’t cache
6) AR's going unanswered
7) Grifers reappearing under new accounts
8) Open Bugs listed as unassigned for YEARS
9) Policy changes and business models destroyed at LL's whim with no solid facts or accountability.
10) A total lack of TWO WAY communication... They tell us what they are going to do... what we want or need isn't worth a stack of dead hippos to them
10a) Linden Employees that seem to trully care are forced to leave.
11) 25 group limit…. I burned through that in my first 2 weeks
12) No mainland Sim tools to monitor your own land
13) OVERPRICED private sims… come on its the same equipment. Its no where near worth twice the price. Its not even worth half the price
13) Sims grinding to a halt and LL support having no effective answers
14) Classified search ranking is meaningless
15) Traffic counts are pointless and gamed
16) Content theft with no real enforcement or effectiveness
17) Featured sites are picked by LL and other truly wonderful content is ignored.
18) Updates incompletely tested, with rolling restarts failing and crashing sims
19) Fancy shinnies added to the client and no one needs or wants but the infrastructure is still broken
20) Inventory items vanishing, with no way to back up or recover your items

Were the dialog in this and the other forums is good and for the most part a true representation of the members of this fine community. We are simply adding to the smokescreen to even think that any of it matters… People the bulldozers are at the gates already… we will be given two choices. Give up on SL, abandon all the time & effort we have poured into it. Transferring all your content to LL for them to use as they feel. OR Bend way over…. Grab your ankles… and prepare to have the Rod of LL shoved in to heights unimagined… Nothing we say here will make any difference… nothing we do in SL will make any difference…. All we are to LL is herds of mindless cattle with cash….. you know that insurance company commercial with the stack of cash with eyes… that’s how LL sees us…. So this new continent will be created… LL will decide who moves there and how…. You get age verified how hey decide to or you can play with the rest of the kids in Disney SL.. and LL with decide what the moral standards are… that’s it… anything that’s said here will just add to the frustration and pointlessness of it all
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-15-2009 17:53
From: Nany Kayo
It's starting to sound like LL may not need to maintain a separate continent for the sex industry for very long anyway, if residents whose businesses are removed to that continent abandon SL.
I wouldn't pop the cork off your self-congratulatory bottle of champagne (that is, if you even allow yourself such an indulgence) just yet. The adult content creators in SL are very well known for their tenacity.
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Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 17:54
From: Stephan Mrigesh
But the whole point is that we should not to have to abide to your Tribes standards...


oh Stephan, I am sure you have no idea how ironic this comment is. I'll let it go and hope brighter minds will notice.
Ishtara Rothschild
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03-15-2009 17:59
From: Nany Kayo
Renee, this is simply turn around. This is exactly the position being taken by the sex industry and their customers here. They intend to use this tool if they can, whether anyone likes it or not, whether it means running over anyone or running anyone out of here. You may not have noticed how many times anyone who objects has been told to leave SL.


Who is being run out of here? And you speak of a turn around... I'm a member of the sex industry as you call it, and I never told anybody to leave. I don't care what people do and build here, despite my various sensibilities and concerns.

I don't mind if people build churches and mosques here, if they advertise books which promote gender inequality and call minorities an "abomination". I don't mind virtual weapons and combat sims where avatars shoot each other. I can live with anti-minority groups that promote intolerance, and I accept it when the security staff at a nude beach asks transgenders to leave.

Because I'm an adult. I don't need to be "protected" from any audiovisual data or information or people's opinions. And I have learned to accept that feeling offended is a normal human experience. I only need to leave the house in order to be grossed out by a dog turd on the sidewalk, or by fresh bird dung on my car. Disgust is an unavoidable part of life, and only control freaks try to avoid this experience by trying to enforece rules that limit the lives of others.
Katheryne Helendale
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03-15-2009 18:00
From: Nany Kayo
I am going to use this tool if I can, whether you like it or not. If that means running over you or running you out of here, that's too bad.
Burning every bridge you encounter here is not a good way to build community or to ensure a continued pleasurable experience for you in-world. A community of one can get awfully lonely, ya know.

Just sayin'...
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Brenda Connolly
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03-15-2009 18:01
From: Katheryne Helendale
Burning every bridge you encounter here is not a good way to build community or to ensure a continued pleasurable experience for you in-world. A community of one can get awfully lonely, ya know.

Just sayin'...


Could you call it a Nany state?
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Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:03
From: Ishtara Rothschild
Who is being run out of here?


Traditionalist Native Americans, for one.

Remember, you asked.
Ishtara Rothschild
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03-15-2009 18:04
From: Brenda Connolly
Could you call it a Nany state?


Thanks for the smile :) That was witty.
Ishtara Rothschild
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03-15-2009 18:04
From: Nany Kayo
Traditionalist Native Americans, for one.

Remember, you asked.


They are being run out of SL? I'm really surprised and shocked to hear that. By whom?
Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:09
From: Ishtara Rothschild
They are being run out of SL? I'm really surprised and shocked to hear that. By whom?


Mainly by people who are exploiting Native culture to sell sex and fake Native religion.

Can't do much about the fake religion, but it looks like we have a shot at the sexual exploitation.
Katheryne Helendale
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03-15-2009 18:10
From: Deltango Vale
Agree. I think Nany is a blog griefer who is just having fun.
Agreed.

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Stephan Mrigesh
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03-15-2009 18:12
From: Nany Kayo
oh Stephan, I am sure you have no idea how ironic this comment is. I'll let it go and hope brighter minds will notice.

OK, here's the deal. You are offering absolutely nothing but your terms? You are telling me to move because you dont like the way I live.
Piss Off
Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:14
From: Stephan Mrigesh
OK, here's the deal. You are offering absolutely nothing but your terms? You are telling me to move because you dont like the way I live.
Piss Off


Actually, it's Linden Labs' terms and their offer.
Katheryne Helendale
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03-15-2009 18:17
<REMOVED> Lets debate topics and not make things personal, please. Thanks.
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Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:20
From: Katheryne Helendale
Apparently, the entire adult entertainment industry within SL all got together in a meeting somewhere and decided that members of Nany's tribe had no place in Second Life. :rolleyes:


apparently. Linden Labs decided to consider doing something about it, whether the sex industry has that much self-awareness or not.
Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:22
Linden Lab. Not Linden Labs, Sorry.


Go Linden Lab!
Ishtara Rothschild
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03-15-2009 18:24
From: Nany Kayo
Mainly by people who are exploiting Native culture to sell sex and fake Native religion.

Can't do much about the fake religion, but it looks like we have a shot at the sexual exploitation.


But how do they drive traditional Native Americans out of SL? I somehow can't understand that. That's like saying hookers who dress up like female police officers somehow force all real police force members to leave SL.

What you are saying is that you can't possibly share this world with certain people and want them done away with. That you can't just stay away from them, that you can't live in peace simply because they exist. That's a very dangerous train of thought imho. People have built detention centers and flown planes into buildings because of this very notion. Can't we just all coexist instead?
Argent Stonecutter
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03-15-2009 18:25
From: someone
Can't do much about the fake religion, but it looks like we have a shot at the sexual exploitation.
Little as I care for Gor, and as much as I sympathize with your problem, unless the Goreans are actually engaged in explicit public sexplay this policy change will have zero impact on their activities. Zero. Zilch. Zip.
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Stephan Mrigesh
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03-15-2009 18:27
From: Katheryne Helendale
Agreed.



Agreed :)
Nany Kayo
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03-15-2009 18:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
Little as I care for Gor, and as much as I sympathize with your problem, unless the Goreans are actually engaged in explicit public sexplay this policy change will have zero impact on their activities. Zero. Zilch. Zip.


The activity this policy impacts is their advertising. The new adult content rules would prevent them from advertising using Native American keywords in general searches without explicitly requesting adult content.
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