Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Oh, this is about Gor. I didn't know there where Goreans that dress up as Native Americans. I can see how that might be offending, but I fail to see anything wrong or banworthy with enacting the content of fantasy books in SL. I mean, that's like saying a highschool play of Peter Pan is so offensive for Native Americans (and perhaps also for real pirates) that it needs to be censored.

Stereotypes are always inaccurate and always offensive for the group that is being portrayed. I mean, look at the stereotypical gays in Hollywood movies, or how transsexuals are vilified in movies and TV series. That's something that I feel a bit offended by. Or take the stereotypical German villains in James Bond films Blonde women also have to fight with stereotypes. And as a nonreligious person, I also feel offended by the false atheist image that is being painted by some religious people. But it's all just art and opinions, all covered under freedom of speech. Best to just shrug it off.

Harassment? Sure. You might get that. What you have lost more than anything is credibility. Respect. If you don't care about anyone else inworld, make yourself a sim on one of the opengrids.

If, on the other hand, you do care about being part of the community at large, it seems like you wouldn't want to present yourself this way. I can't speak for anyone else, but you nor your "cause", whatever it might actually be, will never receive an once of support from me, and I am neither gorean nor whorean. As I said, tolerance is a two-way street, and your lack of it earns zero from me.

Similar to what was described upthread, where patrons of the sex industry could be driven out of SL by the requirement to show proof of age. It makes this place intolerable for them.



Not sure how police officers feel about people using police uniforms as costumes, but I bet it is nothing like the way Natives feel about people exploiting their tribes to sell sex.



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Natives get along fine with people who don't exploit us.

Everyone in SL benefits from having authentic Native American people and culture here. It's not good for anybody to force the real American Indians out.

I'm sure this applies to other groups. I have wondered what Muslims think of this place.

um I'm native american and i've been trying to find out where you say the sex industy here are exploting native americans.
Care to elaberate?

May I respectfully suggest that you refrain from attacking everyone who opposes your narrow-minded and racist perspective. As i will say again, take the trouble to learn about Gor and Goreans and you will come to find out that they love tradition, peace, nature, and culture. Yes, they fought battles, hand to hand battles, with honour, and as patriots to their Homestone (not shooting cowardly with bows and arrows from a hilltop).

Quit assuming that because the dress of the women was similar to what your ancestors chose to run around in, that they are "harassing" you. Read the books, and you will find the descriptions of the kajira clothing very well described without mention of your historical past.

I would suggest that you gather facts before lashing out at some nefarious "flag over a sex bed". Learn what Gor is actually about and that it a harmless roleplay enjoyed by a vast community of residents on SL who tend to keep to themselves anyway. Linden Labs has already said that purely battle and fighting will NOT be considered "Adult", as it should not. So the Gorean community has nothing to fear from ignorant racists and bigots such as yourself.

However, your ancestors, in their primeval wisdom, decided to execute their captives by "Scalping them", which would very nicely fit into Linden Labs definition of "Blood and gore" (please notice the uncapitalization of the "G" and the additional "e" - perhaps you should have paid more attention in school), and therefore, I wish you well in your new "Adult" community ... just as you wish, Gor will not be there

As you so succintly said; "Go Linden Labs !"

It's PERSPECTIVE, "educator".

Thank you. There are several key ingredients that made a niche 3D game-world succeed while its contemporaries whithered. The liberal freedoms to use our money and our avatars as we wish was one of them. Let's not kid ourselves by saying we're improving standards. We're just destroying the elegant beauty of the open world that still kinda is SL. LL used to understand that this ownership of self was more important than trying to please vocal minorities bent on suppressing freedom.

Show us that rare courage we loved, LL.

This whole debate is another clear example of neverending attempts to control what mature people (and paying customers) should and should not see. The main idea is to restrict content BEFORE you can see it, not give you an option to restrict it AFTER you see it in and leave the judgment to restrict it up to you. Can anybody see that or am I the only one? That has nothing to do with freedom of choice. LL is basically just the internet provider. Do other internet providers tell their webhosting customers how their web sites should look? I do not think so.

Heavily restricted Gaming and Sexual services are now the only remaining areas of SL, where people can make at least some money to cover high tiers and make small profit. Forget sales of products or sales of virtual land. Forget successful stories about guys making thousands of dollars - it is pure propaganda. There are exceptions, but in general situation is more than bad. There is simply not enough new people coming into the Grid.
And bots? Well, everyone who does not believe me when I say that there is more bots than real avatars in SL, should visit few places with high traffic figures and look at the sky boxes overflowing with fake avatars. Shocking. Dishonest. Damaging. Is LL doing anything to solve it? No. Annual reports look much better, you know.

Leeaches in the sky is the REAL problem but as usual, it's more convenient to talk crap. To pretend that things are different than they really are. Like in real life.

So let's talk weeks about what is the definition of sexual content. I am sure it will help us to get out of the hole called SL economy.

We should probably take it to IM. Thanks

Signed and seconded. This isn't about sexual freedom. This is just about freedom.
Its not the platform that we think is on life support, but rather the grand ideals of individual freedom and creativity that this platform was built on. We came here hoping to change the world for the better. Now it seems the world will instead be changing here for the worse.

Right.

If it was merely about age verification, secure and without storage of sensitive data, in a way that works for adults all around the world, there wouldn't be a problem.

The problem is the requirement to give vital personal data to a company who has proven that they can't keep personal data secure from hackers, or alternatively to a company who seems to deal with such information. And the resulting uneasiness of the vast majority of adult SL residents to verify (and in many cases to out) themselves in this manner.

And it's only made worse by LL's condoning of some but not all adult content, which creates very unequal business opportunities for adult content providers and mixed content providers who also cater to adult roleplayers, the latter of whom might be allowed to do business in mature areas, which completely removes the need to verify and bereaves flagged businesses of any chance on the market.



Perhaps it's more like the way I feel when I watch "Die Hard", where movie producers made money by stereotyping Germans as villains. Germans played by mostly American actors who tried to speak in a ridiculously overdone German accent. But I still liked the movie. I mean, it was just an action movie without any political agenda.

Or perhaps more like how I felt when I watched "Silence of the Lambs", or, even worse, Hitchcock's "Psycho", where crossdressing was tied to mental illness. Crossdressers were even depicted as homicidal maniacs. But again it were just movies. Fictional stories about fictional characters.

I don't expect political correctness from fiction; that would greatly limit the creative freedom of writers and filmmakers. Absolute political correctness is silence.



Aren't most Gorean places and ads flagged as mature? You can already hide mature content. If they forget to flag their classified ads and you see something that is mature content in your opinion, you can share your concerns with LL, and they'll flag the ad in question.



I don't really see how an author (I mean, this goes all back to John Norman's books) exploits somebody by basing fictional characters on them. Die Hard did not really exploit Germans, nor did Silence of the Lambs exploit crossdressers. It's all fiction and fantasy, including Gorean artwork and roleplay in SL.

I would prefer open forum because im sure im not the only one wondering about this

I would like to see the research where only 2-4% of SL is deemed adult naughty corner or was it all rerezzed after the inspectors had departed?

If so many are keen to avoid adult content why is it so hard to sell PG land except for buttons?

Having openly run a sex bed store in a PG SIM even asking LL for clarification (which never happened) i only incurred wrath over 'laggy' rezzers................the beds were left alone....

The global definition of Adult has always been hard due to the 'msn'esque adult=porn v european adult=grown up over 18...

Surely the sale of graphic/talking body parts should qualify as adult segregation and no way is that just 2/4% of SL locations...

What goes on behind closed doors be it your own 'home' or a club is down to the tp point!

LL are trying to woo business and educational use of SL into a platform too established and fragmented to be policed adequately to protect those with puritanical sensibilities.

As already said FAR BETTER to create a better monitored deep cleaned sanitised SIM with business parks and Stepford living otherwise the 'Adult' corner will be full to bursting.

I'm also still wondering. I never read John Norman's books, just the parodies made after them.

What makes you think that? Very little Gorean clothing is "adult content" under even the most obsessive definition.

No.

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