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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Ananda Sandgrain
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03-16-2009 06:22
From: Argent Stonecutter
They did, originally, they had an area called (if I recall correctly) the badlands, and a big wall between it and the rest of SL. I don't know why they switched to a ratings-based scheme but they didn't go through all that work for nothing.


Yeah there's been basic forms of zoning experimented with all along. The PG and Mature designations were already in place when I got here... but the thing is the scale was totally different. There was *one* clump of Mature intended for social stuff and *one* clump of Mature that was a battle zone, and PG sims forming a bridge between, 22 or so sims and that was it.

That granularity of tiny clumps of adjacent PG and Mature sims is still there and has a lot to do with why this is such a mess now.

Some of the other stuff has had lots of iterations too. The beta accounts were freebies, and quite a few kids had to leave when all switched to paid accounts. Then another free account scheme was tried where they were limited to PG on a sim-by-sim basis. That fouled up a lot and when it worked made a grid full of weird blank holes for those accounts. Then for a long time it was credit card required which was probably the most straightforward and productive community-generating stretch. Then they just gave up and opened the floodgates and now we've got the current mess to deal with.

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Mo Noel
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Why age verification?
03-16-2009 06:23
I wonder why you need a verification?

You say, you want prevent that people that do not like to encounter adult content by accident.
This is possible already. You just stay at PG areas and everything is fine.

You say, you don't want to create loss of business to creators of adult content.
When adult content only is available to verified people, quite some people cannot find or purchase that content. All people that love to stay anonymous or do not trust the way you implement the verification. Thus leading to loss of business.



As I look to your 4 goals:

#1 clear and consistent definitions of what constitutes adult content

Its good, but as you say, XStreet will not be affected by changes, the definition is already there.


#2 ways to be able to access content by type

It's ok, but already possible - so, no real change needed.



#3 implement effective Resident services and dialog to ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business.

This means if you change things, you announce a short term loss of business. However you do not tell the length of that term nor do you number the loss.
However without an explicit verification system, you can reach this goal as well. - even more, you can " implement effective Resident services " for all people, not only people looking for Adult goods.


#4 implement account verification systems that provide an additional level of assurance for providers of Adult content that only adults are able to access their content

If you look check the rules for requirements analysis, this is no goal, but a solution. The question is: What is the goal?


This leads to the question at the root and back to my first one:
Why do you want / need to set up an age verification system?





From: Blondin Linden
From: Beryllium Vella


I cannot see how you can protect people from what's around them. I feel that it comes down to them choosing what they will see, where they will go, what they will do. Just as in RL, you make your own choices of what you will see and do, and you back out quickly from places and things that you don't want to deal with.
That was a great post, thank you. I totally agree with you. This is all about a resident's choice to access whatever content they want. We're not trying to censor or punish the content creators or those who participate. The goal is to make sure that those who want it, can find it, those who make it can sell it and those who don't want it can avoid it. Its part of making the SL experience as predictable as possible.


I totally agree with that!
But: if this is what you want to achieve, I don't really see the need of a verification system, nor any need of any change at all.


I am really concerned about privacy.

I also totally agree to the posts or Jamie David:
About reason and law:
/352/4a/311512/7.html#post2352889

About verification methods and companies:
/352/4a/311512/9.html#post2354112

About how to separate kids from adults - and to separate adults form non adult adults
/352/4a/311512/10.html#post2354260
Jonvic Toshi
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03-16-2009 06:35
This seems like a good intention but badly thought out. I used to rent houses in SL; so a tenant puts in an 'adult' bathroom, are they now forced to live next to a sex club? Surely not. Yes the same works the other way round, why should I suddenly find my nice house is next door to an escort club..but people are clever enought to work out where they can go and avoid adult content..it does not need to be forced and neither should it restrict peoples choices.

SL already has content rules and PG/mature land..why not just expand that. Enforce the rules on PG land and try and put buffer zones between PG and Mature sims (protected water or forrest for example). That way peope will not have the issues of living in a PG sim only to find an adult area next door, and people will know that if they visit a mature area it may contain adult material. Well whatever happens I hope it causes less pain than I fear it might.
Matthew Dowd
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03-16-2009 07:08
Maybe someone else has noticed this earlier in the thread, but I've just realised that in essence what we are seeing is the roll out of the adult verification systems that has been in beta for 18+ months.

When LL first introduced that beta, apart from the obvious flaw that all users of the main grid are supposed to be adults and it is LLs responsibilty to enforce that, there were two other major bugs pointed out:

i) the verification systems was fundamentally flawed (rejecting true information and accepting fictitious information)

ii) the parcel access controls were fundamentally flawed - not only could they be easily bypassed by camming but they only applied to the first 100m above ground level.

If you look at the new proposals, they are basically the Adult Verification system with two "solutions" to the above issues:

i) allow payment information as adult verification (despite all those tentuous arguments why this couldn't be done, and they needed something like aristotle)

ii) basically abandon parcel controls for adult content and insist that any adult content on a sim, requires the entire sim to be adult only (and a plan for doing this on mainland).

The policy even includes similar phrases about how this is for our safety, and how this has been requested by residents etc....

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Second Life or Same Life ?
03-16-2009 07:13
From: Cyn Linden
Hey Dusan,
Basically, we are trying for the majority of Second Life to just be... life.
JoJa Dhara
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03-16-2009 07:33
I love the way the discussion is going at NewWorldNotes as taking Amsterdam as an example. Talking about the Real Amsterdam....

SL and Real Amsterdam are in a challange indeed. Both in media and in views are related to adult content sex and included in RL Amsterdam drugs.

There is a certain freedom, a certain openness..but what SL and RL Amsterdam are doing is to protect, control but still in an open enviorment. Which is good. But now the challenge is how do we do this? As in the Outworld point of view SL has allready a stamped name.

I suggested in the discussions on newworldsnotes.. two different names and worlds.. on the SL as we know mature and THEGRID (which is a known serious name among SL) really as pg where all teens can innovate the future together with institutes and companies or meet up with their families. Secure and controled. That gateways/website can be devided in the sign INSL (meaning mature content) or THEGRID (meaning PG content) you will enter with your same avi these two different worlds....but someone under the age will not be able to enter the other world.

Indeed Hamlet Au has a point there in his blog about the Real Amsterdam and its vision on it.

While Amsterdam is saying we have so much more to offer and to see...same as LindenLab want to point out with their Second Life and development to more education, business and pg entertainment.

but notice also Amsterdam has a different name: Mokkum....

"SL Amsterdam Mature"
"SL Mokkum PG"

just thinking out loud ;)

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Second Life or Same Life ?
03-16-2009 07:49
Basically, we are trying for the majority of Second Life to just be... life.



"Just be life" ?? Will "Second Life" become "Same Life" ? I'm a resident to enjoy a different world, where I can play, dream, forget the real world, realize my fantasies, in short a world of freedom. You should create a Police Department, that would be the last straw !
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03-16-2009 08:00
From: JoJa Dhara
I love the way the discussion is going at NewWorldNotes as taking Amsterdam as an example. Talking about the Real Amsterdam....

SL and Real Amsterdam are in a challange indeed. Both in media and in views are related to adult content sex and included in RL Amsterdam drugs.



Yes Amsterdam is trying to clean up its image and the windows, a lot has gone and Amsterdam's Red Light area is becoming a shadow of its former self and the residents and some officials are complaining that Amsterdam will lose trade while the other puritanical residents are happy with the changes so yes i agree that a parallel could be drawn with SL. The main difference, is that you see families young and old walking down the streets of the Red light area and no one gives it a second thought, maybe thats because most of Holland is laid back and not scared of seeing a dildo in the shop window or a half naked lady in a window. Maybe some of the residents here could learn a lesson form the good people of Amsterdam about tolerance.

I am proud to live here in a country that is tolerant and especially proud to work in Amsterdam a city where just about everything can co-exist and people aren't so anally retentive as some people i see here in SL :)
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Renee Faulds
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03-16-2009 08:04
From: Matthew Dowd



ii) basically abandon parcel controls for adult content and insist that any adult content on a sim, requires the entire sim to be adult only (and a plan for doing this on mainland).

The policy even includes similar phrases about how this is for our safety, and how this has been requested by residents etc....

Matthew



So out of the 7 parcels on the sim I have a business on :

4 are PG businesses
3 are residential

Let's say 1 residential plot goes "Mature"

that means the other 6 land owners have to move.

No I think not
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03-16-2009 08:06
Because the initial focus is on sexual content, people are decrying it as the evils of American censorship and chest thumping about how enlightened their country is, and on sexual matters perhaps so. But every country has restrictions on something another doesn't, censorship is not a uniquely American problem, EVERY government is looking to restrict the freedoms of it's citizens. Sex is the easy target for a first strike, but it will only be the beginning.
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03-16-2009 08:07
From: Tomy Gunawan
Basically, we are trying for the majority of Second Life to just be... life.



"Just be life" ?? Will "Second Life" become "Same Life" ? I'm a resident to enjoy a different world, where I can play, dream, forget the real world, realize my fantasies, in short a world of freedom. You should create a Police Department, that would be the last straw !


Unfortunately, that seems to be what the new breed of SL users want, and what LL wants. Real Life +.
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03-16-2009 08:16
From: Ananda Sandgrain
Interesting. Does the included notion that inter-grid travel is as easy as a teleport, and your inventory and friends lists are intact make any difference?
But that does not exist, nor is it at all likely to exist at any time soon. if LL was the sole provider, and the "Really Adult", "Mature", "PG", and "G-Rated" grids were the ONLY connected grids, they might eventually make that work. Add in even one non-trusted grid from the Opengrids and Legend City's and other wanna-be independants, and it's unlikely to ever happen, because of IP theft and licensing concerns.

Would someone who lived on the XXX grid be able to TP to the "Super clean G-rated grid" with ALL their inventory assets? Including the BDSM Mistress outfit and XXX genitalia they were wearing, and the XXX pose balls that they own? How would you recategorize the millions of existing inventory items, which have no ratings associated with them, to ensure that the pose ball being rezzed is a chaste hug, and not a slave beating?

Speaking both as a merchant and a consumer, if I lived on one of thse grids, I would probably only rarely even look at the others. So all it would do for me is reduce my market, for sales and for purchases.

From: Argent Stonecutter
You wouldn't need to be able to "bounce" them, you'd request a transfer of a snapshot of your inventory and account to your company's grid, or you'd log on with your employee account to your company's grid. I'm not talking about public grids here, I'm talking about grids behind corporate firewalls (either colocated in IBM's or HP's or Walmart's or Chase's server rooms, or accessed over a point-to-point VPN in a securely firewalled part of Linden Labs' colos) that real companies can use for real meetings.

Linden Labs wants companies to use SL for real business? This is how to get them taken seriously by IT departments.
See my points above. Let's say that the IBM grid declares itself "squeaky-clean G-Rated", and the Wal-Mart grid declares itself "PG, but no non-Christian content", and the Hustler Magazine grid declares itself an "all-out XXX Porno zone, no prudes allowed". How do you manage asset and inventory snapshots, so the XXX resident doesn't TP to the IBM grid wearing a PonyGirl outfit and with thousands of hardcore pose balls and scripted items in her inventory, ready to rez?
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03-16-2009 08:21
From: Tomy Gunawan
You should create a Police Department, that would be the last straw !



last time i ran into "police officers" in SL, i actually started a live chat with a linden to ask if those folks had any authority...

the linden dude told me in no unclear terms: "there is no police force in SL that has any authority. ignore them, if they try to assault you by waving their 'police tags' around, file an abuse report."
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03-16-2009 08:22
From: Renee Faulds
So out of the 7 parcels on the sim I have a business on :

4 are PG businesses
3 are residential

Let's say 1 residential plot goes "Mature"

that means the other 6 land owners have to move.

No I think not


If the sim in question is a private island, the owner will have to designate the whole island adult if following these changes any adult use takes place or adult items are sold anywhere on that island. The consequences for non-adult businesses and residential occupiers could be severe. LL offers no compensation to anyone "dispossessed" from a private island as a direct consequence of the changes it proposes to introduce. It seems to me that the problems thrown up in relation to private islands (which comprise approximately 4/5 of the SL grid) are therefore potentially more severe than for mainland.
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03-16-2009 08:38
We already have an "Adult Grid", and "Adult Continents"... It's the entire main grid as it stands today, Mainland and Private Island sims both.

They need to make seperate continents, small ones, to start, that are strictly PG or strictly Mature or strictly Adult XXX, and encourage people to VOLUNTARILY move, IF being seperate matters to them.

Accounts should be able to set a flag for what they are willing to experience, with checkboxes (not radio buttons) for:

G-Rated
PG Rated
Mature
Adult XXX
Violent/Combat

And based on those choices, their search and TP choices would be limited. Being age verified via Aristottle, or being payment info on file, or having a web-cam and Voice interview with an LL employee so they can see your grey hair and wrinkles, or whatever, could be used as a limiter on being able to select other than G-Rated content, but personally, since we are all SUPPOSED to be over 18, the individual should be able to make a free choice, unless they have voluntarily admitted or been proven to be under 18 (after they merge the teen grid).


Inventory: It will take forever, but there needs to be some way to flag all inventory by rating. The default would need to match the "hardest" rating the individual allows. Then they can downgrade specific things as "This is OK in G-Rated", or whatever. But I see no way that it could be forced, or externally mandated.

Think of inventory migration as being like packing your suitcase for a trip.

If I plan to drive to Florida, and then take a commuter flight to the Bahamas, I don't take everything I own with me. I choose suitable clothing. I bear in mind any import restrictions and restrictions on carrying weapons or other items on the plane. I dress appropriately before departing...

Likewise, if I am a resident of the XXX grid, and I plan a trip to the G-Rated IBM grid to attnd an IBM Business Meeting, or to the G-rated Welcome Area, I go through my inventory, select the skins, avatars, outfits and attachments and inventory items that I specificly want to have with me, and make sure they are all voluntarily tagged as acceptable on the G-rated grid or continent. A check on TP ensures I didn't forget and wear an unrated attachment. I arrive with a limited subset of my inventory, all of which should be safe on the restricted grid or continent.
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03-16-2009 08:50
From: Lavanya Hartnell
All this talk about the Teen Grid is begging one big question: what would be wrong with letting teens and even pre-teens into adult Second Life, exactly as it is now? Let them see penises, hookers, chain saw murders, and all the rest. Let children learn about the real world through the safe lens of a virtual community.

Are children really better off finding out about con artists, heart-breakers, and petty tyrants when they are adults? They're already playing video games that are more visually compelling than SL that show them unreal visions of meat-grinder worlds. What's wrong with giving them a dose of reality in a pill that they can safely swallow?

I know some parents will be outraged at my suggestion. To them I would say this: it's up to you to guide your own children. If you feel the need to protect them from adult themes, do so. Please don't ask me to do it for you. And if you want a better idea, consider sitting them down at the computer with you when you log into SL. Show them this stuff and explain it all in your own words. Instead of hiding them from reality, use SL as an ideal teaching tool. Then set them free to explore and invite them to ask you for insight into the things they see and do.

I think that is a good idea...but what time and place are you living in? This would never fly in the USA.
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03-16-2009 08:55
Originally Posted by Renee Faulds
So out of the 7 parcels on the sim I have a business on :

4 are PG businesses
3 are residential

Let's say 1 residential plot goes "Mature"

that means the other 6 land owners have to move.

No I think not





From: Ian Undercroft
If the sim in question is a private island, the owner will have to designate the whole island adult if following these changes any adult use takes place or adult items are sold anywhere on that island. The consequences for non-adult businesses and residential occupiers could be severe. LL offers no compensation to anyone "dispossessed" from a private island as a direct consequence of the changes it proposes to introduce. It seems to me that the problems thrown up in relation to private islands (which comprise approximately 4/5 of the SL grid) are therefore potentially more severe than for mainland.


Note the region I am on already is rated MATURE: The business parcels are rated PG

So if these changes are implemented:

Once AGAIN I will have to relocate, rebuild and attract customers - just like a few (SHORT) months ago when Linden Lab increased outrageously the price of Open Spaces - in THAT case I lost two regions and hundreds of US $'s. So in these SHORT FEW months I will have to abandon yet more property I paid REAL MONEY for - BUY YET MORE property will RL money and Linden Lab get's to RESELL my old property. So as I mentioned before;

Linden Lab now makes TWICE the money (AGAIN)

So as in my thinking the is just yet ANOTHER move for Linden Lab to reap WINDFALL profits at the expense of it's "customers".

I don't think I am alone in getting pretty tired of Linden Lab's greed !
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03-16-2009 08:56
From: Ceera Murakami
They need to make seperate continents, small ones, to start, that are strictly PG or strictly Mature or strictly Adult XXX, and encourage people to VOLUNTARILY move, IF being seperate matters to them.


Agreed, this is the sensible solution, they can even offer early adopter incentives to tempt people to voluntarily move.
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03-16-2009 08:58
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Instead of hiding them from reality, use SL as an ideal teaching tool. Then set them free to explore and invite them to ask you for insight into the things they see and do.


SL isn't reality, though. Kids should be spending more time experiencing RL, that's where they will learn the most. They spend too much time as it is in make believe worlds. Kids running around SL on their own is part of the problem. They don't belong in an adults only SL, in my opinion.If it comes that the grids are merged, then they can run around all they like I guess.
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03-16-2009 09:00
From: Matthew Dowd
ii) the parcel access controls [for age-verified-only] were fundamentally flawed - not only could they be easily bypassed by camming but they only applied to the first 100m above ground level.

Actually, I think it's 50m above ground, which is the same as parcels that are set to group-only. I always thought this was pretty contradictory implementation - allowing people to say "adults only!" but only for the first 50m above ground. It’s kinda silly when the build limit went up to 768m. It'd be even sillier now with the ceiling up at 4096m.

I really wish LL would talk more about their real goals here. They talk like this is all a done deal but there are so many holes in it that it comes off sounding like they started with the solution and are working backwards to (incompletely) fill in the data and tech to support their solution.
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The motivation... who wants it? (1. Education?)
03-16-2009 09:24
In relation to my idle post earlier regarding educators/universities, yes, Matthew, I agree, and thanks for responding...

From: Matthew Dowd
...Universities do however worry about their reputation - particularly their reputation in the media. If they are cautious about getting into SL, it is for the same sorts of reasons that they may be cautious about accepting a donation from Hugh Hefner. If they are worried about how being in SL might affect their reputation, the idea that LL is building a new continent dedicated to the sex industry is not going to allay those worries.


...So is it perceived harm to 'reputation' - the same may apply to some businesses being courted to invest in SL as a tool (even the big boys of the Adult Entertainment industry, as at the end of the day, they're businesses too - where are they going to want to market THEIR end-user services and products if they decide to use SL en masse?).

I wanted to recap and try to help establish the possible 'motivations' for the changes - all of which I think have been brought up in the thread - and add some thoughts about the reasoning that is 'possibly' influencing the decision to make changes:

Motivations...
1. Perceived or real pressure from the world of Education:- Won't educators/universities etc. want to centre their core work within their own private grid, eventually, or within a purpose built shared 'EduGrid' (for teaching, lectures, meetings etc.) - with all the benefits of technical control, bespoke server coding and a managed user experience - regardless of what the main grid looks like or how its Residents behave? With the odd sojourn, lunchbreak or time-tabled field trip for students and staff alike into the main grid for research and 'leisure'.

Some business services will want to market their goods directly to that captive target audience, too, so will jump at the chance to sell within an 'EduGrid'.

Issues of 'decency' can be managed - as access, verification and search would be highly controlled. One problem would be the emptiness of the 'EduGrid', as after all, all the exciting, diverse, rich content would be predominantly out in the main grid. The big educators can still have a main grid presence - for marketing their educational services to potential 'customers', for outreach, field research etc. It's up to them how they then manage their user base, just like they already do with the rest of the internet. Some open minded colleges may be comfortable with encouraging their users to explore outside of 'EduGrid' while 'at school', others have the choice then to close the door to the main grid, if they feel that's it's incompatible with their organisation's policy.

If they are influencing the plan to make changes because they don't want to see or 'stumble' across what they see as questionable content, eventually there won't be very much interesting content left to discover anyhow, and they'll ditch SL as a tool and mark it down as a short term fashionable, novelty product, that didn't work.

Personally, other than for monitored field research for a specific subject, I can't see many reasons why 'whilst at THEIR premises and using THEIR internet connection' an educational establishment would encourage their students and staff to just explore the rest of SL unmanaged. Surely it would be for specific reasons pertaining to a course of subject etc. Outside of educational hours, what do they care what anyone does on the internet (apart from, I suppose if they are providing internet access to campus'/dorms for student's leisure use - but then surely the educators have to take responsibility themselves about managing that).

Regardless of the content now present in SL's main grid, if they're conducting lectures/workshops etc. using SL for their students, surely they want a closed off private space on the whole? I'd be more annoyed by invasive griefers disturbing their teaching than what a student might get up to when s/he pops out of class for a moment :P

None of the ideas for changing the location of adult content seem to be relevant to the issues for education, EXCEPT the perceived threat of being linked with adult content in the media/with parents/sponsors, because SL is ALREADY linked with what some people think of as questionable content. That's not going to change - and yes, I concur, creating a PornGrid will be even more newsworthy and damaging.

In which case the natural endgame is to remove ALL adult (read: questionable, because it always starts with anything that can be deemed as pertaining to sex, it's an easy target, but quickly spreads into general intolerance and hate) content in SL, from RL hardcore pornography to rude immature gestures (and anything one's 'investors' may get anxious about) and make SL a sanitised virtual environment.

Result, IMHO = LL goes bust very, very quickly.

Ungh - I was hoping to summarise my thoughts about Education in one snappy paragraph, so I could continue - I rambled, so for now I'm just going to list the other 'potential' sources of influence and willingly pass to others with more energy at the moment to type: :)


2. RL Business (from corporate giant to cottage industry - and lest we forget, the Adult Biz).
3. Linden Lab themselves (under the advice of anxious lawyers, their consultants and financial investors).
4. The, for want of a better word, 'Puritans' - who are very vocal about what they don't like (though what real 'influence' do they have apart from complaining and feeling offended? Money?)
5. The General Populace of SL, not easily offended, happy for adult content to still exist in SL, but wanting to see said content (whatever that is), moved to a new separate extra-Mature location... so that they don't <thinks> 'stumble' across it - or are fed up with, in large enough numbers to have influence (and without data, we don't know, maybe a lot of us are requesting change in regards to this), the quantity of such content in the general (Mature) areas of SL. (Note: I think the issue of content that shouldn't be in PG anyway, is erroneous, that can be dealt with the existing structure and policies of SL).

6. Any others?

Obviously, it's likely there may be a mix of the above - but is it all coming down to 'perceived' threat?

I stand by my feelings - no new 'Adult' continent, leave Mature as-is, enforce policy in PG, create a sanitised grid for those wanting it (if there's enough interest), don't go down the path of bringing minors 'knowingly' into SL, improve adult verification if possible (though I highly doubt anything but face to face interviews will work, so personally I'd stick with the 'I Am An Adult' declaration) - and focus your resources on improving user experience like that have been mentioned countless times (client, lag etc. etc.)

(Click my name to view my earlier post about motivation - buried somewhere deep down in the forum now, even I've lost them now)
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03-16-2009 09:25
From: Renee Faulds

Once AGAIN I will have to relocate, rebuild and attract customers - just like a few (SHORT) months ago when Linden Lab increased outrageously the price of Open Spaces - in THAT case I lost two regions and hundreds of US $'s. So in these SHORT FEW months I will have to abandon yet more property I paid REAL MONEY for - BUY YET MORE property will RL money and Linden Lab get's to RESELL my old property.
Blondin Linden said that you woudn't have to pay to relocate.
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03-16-2009 09:29
From: Ceera Murakami

See my points above. Let's say that the IBM grid declares itself "squeaky-clean G-Rated",
You're missing the point... I'm talking about business grids for the purpose of virtual conferences and meetings... the things that Linden Labs has been pushing for Real Businesses to get involved in. So these grids would be for IBM employees, vendors, and contractors, inside IBM's extended firewall, not for the general public.
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How do you manage asset and inventory snapshots, so the XXX resident doesn't TP to the IBM grid wearing a PonyGirl outfit and with thousands of hardcore pose balls and scripted items in her inventory, ready to rez?
The resident is employed "at will" by IBM, an IBM contractor, or an IBM vendor.
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03-16-2009 09:30
From: Renee Faulds
Originally Posted by Renee Faulds
So out of the 7 parcels on the sim I have a business on :

4 are PG businesses
3 are residential

Let's say 1 residential plot goes "Mature"

that means the other 6 land owners have to move.


The plot would have to go "adult" and be "public". LL is a little vague on what these mean. However, if the plot involve sexual activities and advertised itself in classified it would probably be "adult" and "public"

If this is on a private sim, then the estate owner has three choices:

i) leave it as is, and risk LL taking action against the estate owner for violating the TOS
ii) make the entire sim adult only, and risk upsetting 6 landowners
iii) tell the plot which has changed that it needs to change back or move to another sim.

If this is on the mainland, then I'm afraid that the changed plot will have to move to one of the new adult sims LL is proposing or risk being shut down by LL.

For those already running "adult" and "public" places on the mainland, LL are proposing to assist their move "without any costs" - although how this will happen is unclear - in particular whether you will get a location on the new sims equivalent in terms of terrain and scenery to the existing one; whether any assistance will be given in moving complex builds; how the implications in terms of broken landmarks and picks and the resultant loss of search rankings will be handled etc.

You are right to note the similarities with the OpenSpaces fiasco. There people were told that the purposes they could use OpenSpaces were changing, now people are beng told that the purposes mature spaces can be used for are changing.

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03-16-2009 09:31
From: Meade Paravane
Actually, I think it's 50m above ground, which is the same as parcels that are set to group-only. I always thought this was pretty contradictory implementation - allowing people to say "adults only!" but only for the first 50m above ground. It’s kinda silly when the build limit went up to 768m. It'd be even sillier now with the ceiling up at 4096m.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205
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