Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
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04-14-2009 17:39
From: Valerius Constantine How about a sign for all adult business owners saying "Soon, you might not be able to come to my store, buy my products, or even find me in search! Click this sign for a notecard explaining LL's new policy about "adult content", and a link to the forum thread where the matter is being discussed"
"I'm being driven out of business by Linden Labs!"
"Linden labs is trying to segregate me from the "decent people"
Anything along those lines. the more inflammatory the better.
This is an issue, unlike gambling or banking, that affects *everyone*, has no basis in RL laws or requirements, and is completely *optional* on LL's part.
It is also an issue that stinks all the more the closer you examine it, and has quite far-reaching consequences for *everyone* in SL, not just the providers and consumers of "adult content"
Maybe we can't *stop* it, but we can at least *try*, right? The best idea of the week! Original Transylvania style... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Poster_TIFF_2007.jpg |
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Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
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04-14-2009 17:47
From: Toy LaFollette Blondin, I am very upset.... after being told specifically the meeting would be mainly text, "The meeting will take place on PR Island (We’ll TP you in). It will happen primarily via text." Only the questions were in text so my joining in the meeting was a complete waste of my time. I do not understand this fixation LL has on voice.... everyone has text but not all have or use voice. But Lindens continue to use it for meetings. I guess me and others who use just text should spend our time elsewhere, The Lab really should provide meetings for everyone, not just voice users. Again I am very disappointed in LL again.
Im getting very tired of LL treating text citizens as second class citizens. I apologize. |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 17:49
From: Brieanne Bomazi This is a copy of a note card that i have to give out in SL, That has initially been sent through the *I* am Adult Content Group. Anyone wishing a copy, shoot me an IM in world. It may not make a difference, but if we can get enough signatures, maybe they will pay some attention.
Its been said no one has put forth any concrete ideas to show we are all agreed... Here's one.
~Brie Just a couple of points The use of the word respectfully stick in my throat. We are paying customers of LL, around 80% of their monthly income appears to come from tiers. LL have shown us no respect so far so I don't agree with that tone. It sounds grovelling. You could consider using one of the petition sites, they're free and the right one will protect the signers data from anyone seeing it but you and LL. all that will show to the casual viewer is the avatar name. It will make it a lot easier to manage and disseminate to the masses. You can also put up the translations. What would be also good is if you can get this translated into the main languages along with an explanation and somehow get it out to the non english speakers. apart from that, the only thing that will really get them to change their minds is bad publicity.. but so far the media really haven't been reporting this in anything but a positive light. Theres also a lot of activist groups in sl, they may be able to help with mobilising and getting the word out if you can convince them its in their best interests to do so.
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Ciaran Laval
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04-14-2009 17:55
Why did Linden Lab announce this when they have absoluetely no clue how to go about implementing any sort of consistent policy?
Build a PG continent and you start to get around the problems of this supposed "predictable experience" nonsense. Why on earth will Linden Lab not go for the simple solution here?
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Sindy Tsure
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04-14-2009 17:57
From: Ciaran Laval Why did Linden Lab announce this when they have absoluetely no clue how to go about implementing any sort of consistent policy?
Build a PG continent and you start to get around the problems of this supposed "predictable experience" nonsense. Why on earth will Linden Lab not go for the simple solution here? Because they started with the solution. /me prefers to identify the goals first. |
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Brieanne Bomazi
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04-14-2009 17:57
From: Couldbe Yue Just a couple of points
The use of the word respectfully stick in my throat. We are paying customers of LL, around 80% of their monthly income appears to come from tiers. LL have shown us no respect so far so I don't agree with that tone. It sounds grovelling.
You could consider using one of the petition sites, they're free and the right one will protect the signers data from anyone seeing it but you and LL. all that will show to the casual viewer is the avatar name. It will make it a lot easier to manage and disseminate to the masses. You can also put up the translations.
What would be also good is if you can get this translated into the main languages along with an explanation and somehow get it out to the non english speakers.
apart from that, the only thing that will really get them to change their minds is bad publicity.. but so far the media really haven't been reporting this in anything but a positive light.
Theres also a lot of activist groups in sl, they may be able to help with mobilising and getting the word out if you can convince them its in their best interests to do so. yeah... it stuck in my throat reading it out loud, but the alternative *grins* would have been adult content all unto itself... *smiles* If you have a link for the petition sites that would translate that for me, I would GREATLY appreciate it. That's an EXCELLENT suggestion  ~Brie |
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Milla Janick
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04-14-2009 18:00
From: Ciaran Laval Build a PG continent and you start to get around the problems of this supposed "predictable experience" nonsense. Why on earth will Linden Lab not go for the simple solution here? Maybe because no one actually wants a PG continent. It would be a lot more difficult to sell land there than on an Adult continent where people will be required to locate to operate their businesses. |
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Ciaran Laval
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04-14-2009 18:06
From: Milla Janick Maybe because no one actually wants a PG continent. It would be a lot more difficult to sell land there than on an Adult continent where people will be required to locate to operate their businesses. I want a PG continent, I've had PG land next to a mature parcel, it was a bloody silly situation and when I raised it with a Linden they acknowledged it was a silly situation and said they'd been discussing a PG continent. The issue of mature parcels next to PG is not going to go away unless LL's long term goal is to turn all mainland into PG, which from the original FAQ's would not surprise me. |
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Ciaran Laval
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04-14-2009 18:07
From: Sindy Tsure Because they started with the solution.
/me prefers to identify the goals first. They started with the solution 2 years ago and were told it was a damn silly way to go about things then. They're still in the same situation. |
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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04-14-2009 18:23
From: Ciaran Laval I want a PG continent, I've had PG land next to a mature parcel, it was a bloody silly situation and when I raised it with a Linden they acknowledged it was a silly situation and said they'd been discussing a PG continent.
The issue of mature parcels next to PG is not going to go away unless LL's long term goal is to turn all mainland into PG, which from the original FAQ's would not surprise me. I have Mature land next to PG and it is on the main land. I wonder why dont they turn the main land Mature and make a PG continent. Maybe SL should do a survey and find out what is more popular and used PG or mature. |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 18:26
From: Brieanne Bomazi yeah... it stuck in my throat reading it out loud, but the alternative *grins* would have been adult content all unto itself... *smiles* If you have a link for the petition sites that would translate that for me, I would GREATLY appreciate it. That's an EXCELLENT suggestion ~Brie these guys are used quite widely because of their safeguards I'm now going to blow the thread by providing some rough translations. None of them are clean enough to go out as is, but a native speaker should be able to clean it up in about 10 minutes... The only one I haven't done is german as it didn't come out in anything approaching sensible. this is the text I used. From: someone We, the undersigned, as residents of SL, would like to submit this petition as a suggestion for the moving/swapping of mainland parcels to the new Ursula sim. This is currently being discussed at: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content/352/11/314444/1.htmlWe ask LL to thoughtfully consider the following: 1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up. 2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *dual* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one month's land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and the loss of business this move will force us to incur. 3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group. We are currently looking for acceptable compromises in this issue, and believe that the above listed would go a long way towards improving customer/LL relations, and make this move as painless as possible, with minimal impact to LL and the residents that have contributed real time, and real money, into making SL “Our World, Our Imagination”.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 18:27
Para 2 & 4 are a little dodgy From: someone Nosotros, los abajo firmantes, como los residentes de SL, desea presentar esta petición como una sugerencia para el movimiento / parcelas intercambio de continente a la nueva sim Ursula. Esto se está debatiendo actualmente en: https: / / blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content [/ url]
[url]http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=314444&page=1&pp=15 [/ url]
Pedimos a LL cuidadosamente en cuenta lo siguiente:
1. Se ha afirmado que el 9 de días se les permitirá moverse. Es totalmente inviable. Hay muchos propietarios de pleno sim que simplemente no puede empacar y mover un pleno, o incluso simplemente en ese medio tiempo asignado. Proponemos un nuevo plazo de 30 días mínimo, para cualquier persona que posee más de 2048 las tierras. El original 9 días se podría aplicar a cualquier persona que posee menos de esa cantidad. Esto permite a las empresas existentes aún permanecen en las empresas, mientras que la nueva ubicación se está construyendo y crear.
2. También se ha afirmado que LL no cobrará el doble tier, mientras que el nivel de intercambio está en marcha. Aunque esto es aceptable, es también el tiempo que nosotros, el pago actual de los residentes de SL, tienen que invertir para reconstruir / mover. En compensación por este tiempo perdido, solicitamos respetuosamente un mes de la tierra de nivel de crédito, para compensar nuestro tiempo, y la pérdida de negocio este movimiento nos obligará a incurrir.
3. En el examen de la permuta de tierras, propiedad de la tierra todos los grupos de elección debe tenerse en cuenta el actual propietario del grupo, o el principal contribuyente de las donaciones de tierra en el grupo.
En estos momentos estamos buscando compromisos aceptables en esta cuestión, y creemos que los enumerados anteriormente supondría un gran avance hacia la mejora de cliente / LL relaciones y hacer que este movimiento sea tan indoloro como resulte posible, con un impacto mínimo a los residentes LL y que han contribuido real tiempo y dinero real, en la SL "Nuestro Mundo, Nuestra imaginación".
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Sindy Tsure
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04-14-2009 18:27
From: Couldbe Yue ...new Ursula sim... Should be continent, not sim.. And, if you want to get picky (which I seem to be) a chunk of land is a 'region'. |
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Couldbe Yue
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French
04-14-2009 18:28
Last 3 para need cleaning up From: someone Nous, soussignés, en tant que résidents de SL, je voudrais présenter cette pétition comme une suggestion pour le déplacement ou l'échange de parcelles de terre ferme à la nouvelle Ursula sim. Ceci est actuellement en cours de discussion à l'adresse suivante: https: / / blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content [/ url]
[url]http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=314444&page=1&pp=15 [/ url]
Nous demandons LL à examiner attentivement le texte suivant:
1. Il a été indiqué que 9 jours seront autorisés déplacer. Il est totalement impossible. Il ya beaucoup de propriétaires de plein sim ne peut tout simplement pas que les bagages et passer une ou même ½ oui dans ce temps imparti. Nous proposons une modification de délai de 30 jours minimum, pour toute personne de posséder plus de 2048 terrains. L'original 9 jours pourraient être appliquées à toute personne possédant moins de ce montant. Cela permet à des entreprises existantes restent encore en activité en attendant que le nouveau site est construit et mis en place.
2. Il a également été indiqué que LL ne se charge pas * un * deux terrains de niveau alors que le swap est en cours. Bien que cela soit acceptable, il est également temps que nous, les résidents de SL payer, à investir pour reconstruire ou déplacer. En compensation de cette perte de temps, nous demandons respectueusement à un mois de la terre de niveau de crédit, afin de compenser pour notre temps, et la perte de cette démarche nous oblige à nous engager.
3. En contrepartie de la terre d'échange, toutes les terres appartenant à groupe de choix devrait être accordée à l'actuel propriétaire du groupe, ou en haut sur les dons de terres contributeur au sein du groupe.
Nous sommes actuellement à la recherche de compromis acceptables à cette question, et nous pensons que la liste figure ci-dessus serait un long chemin vers l'amélioration de client / LL relations, et de faire passer cette douleur que possible, avec un impact minimal à LL et les résidents qui ont contribué réel le temps et l'argent réel, en rendant SL "Our World, Our Imagination».
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Sindy Tsure
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04-14-2009 18:28
From: Ciaran Laval From: Sindy Tsure Because they started with the solution.
/me prefers to identify the goals first. They started with the solution 2 years ago and were told it was a damn silly way to go about things then. They're still in the same situation. Yes. And remember how well the plan 2 years ago went over? |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 18:30
From: Sindy Tsure Should be continent, not sim.. And, if you want to get picky (which I seem to be) a chunk of land is a 'region'. rats.. I didn't see that.. never mind, whoever cleans it up can add the word.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 18:31
2 & 3 need a clean From: someone Wij, ondergetekenden, als ingezetenen van SL, wil deze petitie als een suggestie voor de bewegende / ruilen van percelen vasteland naar de nieuwe SIM-Ursula. Dit wordt momenteel besproken op: https: / / blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content [/ url]
[url]http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=314444&page=1&pp=15 [/ url]
Wij vragen LL bedachtzaam te houden met het volgende:
1. Er werd verklaard dat 9 dagen zullen worden toegestaan verplaatsen. Het is volstrekt onhaalbaar. Er zijn vele volledige sim eigenaren die simpelweg niet kan inpakken en verplaatsen van een volledige of zelfs ½ sim toegewezen in die tijd. Wij stellen voor een gewijzigde termijn van 30 dagen minimaal, voor iedereen die eigenaar is van meer dan 2.048 land. De oorspronkelijke 9 dagen kan worden toegepast op iedereen die eigenaar is minder dan dit bedrag. Dit maakt het mogelijk dat bestaande bedrijven nog steeds in bedrijf, terwijl de nieuwe locatie wordt gebouwd en opgezet.
2. Ook is gesteld dat LL niet kosteloos een * dubbele * land tier terwijl de swap is gaande. Hoewel dit aanvaardbaar is, is er ook de tijd dat wij, de huidige betalende inwoners van SL, moeten investeren voor de wederopbouw / verplaatsen. Ter compensatie van deze tijd verloren, we respectvol verzoek een maand in de land-tier krediet, ter compensatie van onze tijd, en het verlies van het bedrijfsleven dit initiatief zal dwingen ons te betalen.
3. Ter zake van het land swap, alle groepsleden bezit keuze dient te worden gegeven aan de huidige eigenaar van de groep, of boven contribuant van gedoneerde land in de groep.
We zijn momenteel op zoek naar acceptabele compromissen in deze kwestie, en van mening dat de hierboven vermelde zou een lange weg naar het verbeteren van klant / LL betrekkingen, en deze zo pijnloos mogelijk, met een minimale impact op LL en de bewoners die hebben bijgedragen echte tijd, en echt geld in het maken van SL "Onze Wereld, onze verbeelding."
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 18:32
.. needs minor tweaking for all paras.. From: someone Nós, abaixo assinados, como residentes de SL, gostaria de apresentar esta petição como uma sugestão para a movimentação / troca de encomendas para o novo continente Ursula sim. Esta está actualmente a ser debatida em: https: / / blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content [/ url]
[url]http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=314444&page=1&pp=15 [/ url]
Pedimos LL pensativamente para considerar o seguinte:
1. Tem sido afirmado que 9 dias será permitido avançar. É totalmente inviável. Há muitos proprietários completo sim que simplesmente não podem arrumar e mover uma plena ou mesmo ½ sim nesse tempo. Propomos uma mudança de tempo limite de 30 dias no mínimo, para quem possuir mais de 2.048 terrenos. O original 9 dias poderiam ser aplicadas a qualquer pessoa possuir menos do que este montante. Isto permite que as empresas existentes que ainda permanecem na empresa enquanto o novo local está sendo construído e configurado.
2. Também foi afirmado que LL não cobrará uma dupla * * terras, enquanto o nível de swap está em curso. Enquanto isto é aceitável, existe também o tempo que nós, os actuais residentes de pagamento SL, tem de investir para reconstruir / mover. Em compensação para este tempo perdido, nós respeitosamente pedir um mês de terras níveis de crédito, para compensar o nosso tempo, e da perda de negócios este movimento irá forçar-nos a incorrer.
3. Em contrapartida da terra swap, todos os terrenos propriedade grupo escolha deve ser dada ao grupo atual proprietário, o contribuinte ou início de terras doadas no grupo.
Estamos atualmente procurando compromissos aceitáveis nesta questão, e acredito que os listados acima seria um longo caminho no sentido da melhoria cliente / LL relações, e fazer este movimento o mais simples possível, com o mínimo impacto para LL e os moradores que têm contribuído real tempo e dinheiro, para fazer SL "Nosso Mundo, Nossa Imaginação".
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Valerius Constantine
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04-14-2009 18:54
From: Brenda Connolly Be prepared for more well intentioned misinformation. LL really needs to start speaking to the masses on this immediatelty if they wish to maintain any goodwill with the residents at all. But if they did that, they might get a taste of what residents *really* think of their proposal. We can't have that! If they came out and did everything above board, they they wouldn't be able to spin it as being a "minor change" that only affects 2%-4%". The more I think about this, the less I like it, and the more it seems like a *planned* move to soak as much money out of residents as possible, right up until the time they get their accounts deleted for "abusing" the mature land rules. As things stand now, the first warning that *most* landowners will get is when they get AR'd by some self-appointed purity squad. (because as we all know, there *will* be a self appointed purity squad. Probably a dozen or so of them, including the ones that are formed strictly for griefing purposes). -V- |
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Deltango Vale
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A Less Predictable Experience
04-14-2009 19:15
When I joined in 2006, the user experience was very predictable. The rules of the game were simple and straightforward: there was a hard-coded property rights structure; everything else was up to the residents. The keyword is 'dynamic stability' or 'dynamic equilibrium', meaning unpredictable at the micro level yet highly predictable at the macro level - a natural ecosystem, like a rainforest.
Second Life became unstable in 2007 when vast amounts of new land were dumped on the market, behavioral restrictions were imposed counter to longstanding policy, gambling was unexpectedly banned, VAT was added in the middle of the night, banks were suddenly blacklisted (undermining the financial sector), opensims were mispriced then belatedly repriced and advertising was curtailed. Now, vague and arbitrary behavioral definitions are being imposed. What's next?
By seeking to increase predictability at the micro level (static stability), Linden Lab is generating unpredictability at the macro level (dynamic instability). Since static stability is antithetical to creativity, Linden Lab is, in effect, building a termite colony below sea level. When LL licenses the server code and new, robust virtual worlds come online, the cutting-edge talent that built Second Life will flee to safer ground. Talent and entrepreneurship thrive in rainforests, not theme parks.
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Talarus Luan
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04-14-2009 19:22
From: Blondin Linden I apologize. A very wonderful person once said: "A good apology has three parts. (a) I am sorry, (b) it was my fault, (c) how do I make it right. Most people neglect the third part and fail to demonstrate sincerity." -- Randy Pausch |
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Wynochee LeShelle
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German version, clean and ready
04-14-2009 19:49
From: Couldbe Yue We, the undersigned, as residents of SL, would like to submit this petition as a suggestion for the moving/swapping of mainland parcels to the new Ursula sim. This is currently being discussed at: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content/352/11/314444/1.htmlWe ask LL to thoughtfully consider the following: 1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up. 2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *dual* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one month's land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and the loss of business this move will force us to incur. 3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group. We are currently looking for acceptable compromises in this issue, and believe that the above listed would go a long way towards improving customer/LL relations, and make this move as painless as possible, with minimal impact to LL and the residents that have contributed real time, and real money, into making SL “Our World, Our Imagination”. Wir, die Unterzeichnenden, in unserer Eigenschaft als Kunden und Bewohner von Second Life, überreichen diese Petition als unseren Vorschlag, den bevorstehenden Tausch von Mainland-Parzellen zwecks Übersiedlung zum neuen Kontinent "Ursula" betreffend. Dieses Vorhaben seitens Linden Lab wird seit geraumer Zeit an folgenden Orten ausführlich diskutiert: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-contentund /352/11/314444/1.htmlWir fordern Linden Lab dazu auf, folgende Überlegungen ernsthaft in Betracht zu ziehen: 1. Es wurde ein Zeitraum von lediglich 9 Tagen für den Umzug gewährt. Dieses ist so nicht durchführbar. Es existieren viele Sim-Eigner die den Umzug eines ganzen oder halben Sim in der vorgegebenen Zeit nicht durchführen können. Wir schlagen vor, den Zeitraum für einen solchen Umzug für Landbesitz über 2048 Quadratmeter, auf mindestens 30 Tage auszuweiten. Die ursprünglich veranlagten 9 Tage für einen Umzug sollen für Landbesitz unterhalb von 2048 Quadratmetern gelten. Dieses erlaubt bestehenden Geschäften ihre geschäftlichen Tätigkeiten aufrecht zu erhalten, bis der neue Standort errichtet und betriebsbereit ist. 2. Es wurde weiterhin offiziell verlautbart, dass Linden Lab keine doppelten Nutzungsgebühren während des Landwechsels erheben will. Während dieses akzeptabel ist, entsteht den zahlenden Nutzern allerdings erheblicher Zeitaufwand für den Umzug und Wiederaufbau. Um den Aufwand zu kompensieren, fordern wir einen gebührenfreien Monat, um den Zeitverlust und den Aufwand der Neuerrichtung auszugleichen. 3. Den Landtausch in Betracht ziehend, sollte die Auswahl von gruppeneigenem Land auf dem neuen Kontinent dem aktuellen Gruppeneigner oder gegebenenfalls dem, der das meiste Land in die Gruppe gespendet hat von Linden Lab übertragen werden. Wir sind gegenwärtig dabei, akzeptable Kompromisse für diesen Fall zu finden und glauben dass unser Vorschläge einen bedeutenden Fortschritt im Verhältnis zwischen Kunden und Linden Lab bedeutet und zugleich die Angelegenheit so reibungslos wie möglich abgewickelt werden kann. Dieses verbunden mit dem geringstmöglichen Schwierigkeiten für Linden Lab und dessen Kunden. Kunden, die erhebliche Mengen an Eigenzeit und Geld aufgewendet haben, um Second Life zu dem zu machen was es ist: "Unsere Welt. Unsere Vorstellung". |
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Proton Zepp
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OK, all mainland house renters - time to move to ursula!
04-14-2009 21:14
From: Blondin Linden 3) I rent houses, in a Mature Mainland Sim, I get all sorts of tenants, Vampires, Goreans, BDSMers etc..... What if one of my tenants wants to have a party and advertises it - lets say for the sake of argument its a regular Saturday night BDSM party which they advertise. Lets then say adult activities are had within the privacy of one of my rental houses. These are things being done by my tenants, not organized or officially sanctioned by me (though not forbidden either). Yet advertised by the tenant. So where does that put me? Are my rentals suddenly Adult? Must I move because of the actions of my tenants? How would you police and enforce such a thing?
ANSWER: It would be up to you as the owner to decide whether or not to flag your land as Adult or Mature. The situation in question would appear to be adult and the tenant would either need to be on a parcel set to adult, on the adult mainland or adjusted such that it accommodates the mature rating.
So in effect, as in the above case, the land owner who rents houses cannot mark their land as ADULT, the only options are mature or PG on Mainland. This in effect means that he/she must monitor everything that their tenants do in what are basically private houses - so the landlord/lady must police their rentals to ensure that nobody breaks the ADULT rules. And because its a mainland sim there are no covenants as such - just PG and Mature. As if they werent busy enough? Soooooo ...... that means that any landlord/lady renting out houses/property, just so they are safe, MUST MOVE TO URSULA! (Or if on a private sim/estate mark the whole thing as ADULT.) How many sims are on Ursula again? Somehow I dont think its going to be anywhere big enough. LL This move will affect the majority of your user base! LL I hope you are really happy with you plan, its going to be the biggest cockup ever. Can I even say cockup? not sure if its mature or adult... maybe i should raise a ticket to find out..... hmmm, LL are u ready for all the tickets to come flooding in, hope u employed another couple of hundred people on your support desks..... |
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Snickers Snook
Odd Princess - Trout 7.3
Join date: 17 Apr 2007
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04-14-2009 23:12
From: Proton Zepp LL are u ready for all the tickets to come flooding in, hope u employed another couple of hundred people on your support desks..... I've been saying this for the last two weeks. They have no idea what they've done.
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Brieanne Bomazi
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Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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04-14-2009 23:16
From: Wynochee LeShelle Wir, die Unterzeichnenden, in unserer Eigenschaft als Kunden und Bewohner von Second Life, überreichen diese Petition als unseren Vorschlag, den bevorstehenden Tausch von Mainland-Parzellen zwecks Übersiedlung zum neuen Kontinent "Ursula" betreffend. Dieses Vorhaben seitens Linden Lab wird seit geraumer Zeit an folgenden Orten ausführlich diskutiert: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-contentund /352/11/314444/1.htmlWir fordern Linden Lab dazu auf, folgende Überlegungen ernsthaft in Betracht zu ziehen: 1. Es wurde ein Zeitraum von lediglich 9 Tagen für den Umzug gewährt. Dieses ist so nicht durchführbar. Es existieren viele Sim-Eigner die den Umzug eines ganzen oder halben Sim in der vorgegebenen Zeit nicht durchführen können. Wir schlagen vor, den Zeitraum für einen solchen Umzug für Landbesitz über 2048 Quadratmeter, auf mindestens 30 Tage auszuweiten. Die ursprünglich veranlagten 9 Tage für einen Umzug sollen für Landbesitz unterhalb von 2048 Quadratmetern gelten. Dieses erlaubt bestehenden Geschäften ihre geschäftlichen Tätigkeiten aufrecht zu erhalten, bis der neue Standort errichtet und betriebsbereit ist. 2. Es wurde weiterhin offiziell verlautbart, dass Linden Lab keine doppelten Nutzungsgebühren während des Landwechsels erheben will. Während dieses akzeptabel ist, entsteht den zahlenden Nutzern allerdings erheblicher Zeitaufwand für den Umzug und Wiederaufbau. Um den Aufwand zu kompensieren, fordern wir einen gebührenfreien Monat, um den Zeitverlust und den Aufwand der Neuerrichtung auszugleichen. 3. Den Landtausch in Betracht ziehend, sollte die Auswahl von gruppeneigenem Land auf dem neuen Kontinent dem aktuellen Gruppeneigner oder gegebenenfalls dem, der das meiste Land in die Gruppe gespendet hat von Linden Lab übertragen werden. Wir sind gegenwärtig dabei, akzeptable Kompromisse für diesen Fall zu finden und glauben dass unser Vorschläge einen bedeutenden Fortschritt im Verhältnis zwischen Kunden und Linden Lab bedeutet und zugleich die Angelegenheit so reibungslos wie möglich abgewickelt werden kann. Dieses verbunden mit dem geringstmöglichen Schwierigkeiten für Linden Lab und dessen Kunden. Kunden, die erhebliche Mengen an Eigenzeit und Geld aufgewendet haben, um Second Life zu dem zu machen was es ist: "Unsere Welt. Unsere Vorstellung". Thank you SO much. I have this, and the English version saved. As soon as i get the translation checked for the other languages, i will add them and post them all on the petitions online site, and post the URL here |
