Will a PG worded Pick in one's profile in SL - to an 'unclassified/not included in search' location in Mature Mainland (e.g. a 'home', as it wouldn't be advertised in the regular way) - ever be considered 'adult' in the context of your policy change?
For example;
In my Picks (or others, as people could freely landmark a location, and one cannot control the content of other Residents' Profiles, in any case)...
Akira's Naughty Home
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'My home in SL - drop by and have lots of naughty fun with me and my friends.'
(maybe with a nice snapshot of me enjoying a cup of tea with <ahem>, friends)
What if I just had the Pick and no text? What if I used more descriptive (but still PG) text of what a Resident might find at my 'private' home, but someone read what I wrote as an 'advertisement'? If the build looks like a suburban house, will I be ok? If I choose to live in a dungeon, will I be harassed? Where will you draw the line? Surely, once you enforce this initial adult content policy change, you will HAVE to extend the policy to unadvertised locations (i.e. 'private' homes) - how would anyone be able to tell?
Will there be a new law... 'Conspiracy and/or intent to own a speakeasy'?
The question is: Are Profile Picks (apart from the content of the Pick itself, i.e. conforming to PG guidelines) COMPLETELY exempt from the new policy?
For those of us who choose polygamous relationships in SL, will we be subject to policing if we choose to invite a group of friends to come to our private (define) residential (define) home (define) for an orgy (define) in Mature Mainland?
(Depending on how that is answered, what stops anyone using our homes and our unadvertised 'private' furniture, without our knowledge, for behaviour that could result in the landowner being criticised for running a 'public' adult location? Or will we be forced next to put up a sea of ban lines all over the newly cleansed Mainland? Personally, I can see the next step being that anything vaguely sexual will have to move, but then of course, the 'free' land swap will be over... hmm, I hear the familiar sound of money!)
Answers on a postcard please. I doubt this will get answered adequately - but then I've tiered down all my accounts, abandoned my land and have stopped paying LL any money - which, although sad, feels VERY good btw (for anyone considering the same).
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Valerius Constantine
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04-14-2009 16:00
The linden still don't know how to define anything! I am always age playing when in SL, None of my Avatars in SL portray my RL age. Whenever I have sex in SL I am Sexually Age Playing, since none of my avs in SL portray my RL age. The related category for ARing simply says "Age Play" nothing else not "under age sexual age play"  note: other things have some description), Linden blog posts on this are even more confused. This is an old issue and they still have not gotten their definitions sorted out.The next time you see me walking around in a 20 something year old av fully clothed in a PG sim not doing anything sexual you should report me for age play. Whoops! Then I suppose that a vampire who was born during the reign of Elizabeth I is gonna be in *big* trouble!  -V- |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-14-2009 16:00
It looks like Amazon simply screwed up. They set up an anonymous denunciation service by which someone sufficiently motivated could "game" the system and target any group of media... and lo and behold someone was.
This was predicted by John Brunner in the novel "Shockwave Rider", published in 1975. This is why I keep saying, people building today's technological infrastructure need to read more Science Fiction, damnit. Oh, Blondin, I'm sure Mark Kingdon could get a copy cheap on Amazon. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-14-2009 16:03
It looks like Amazon simply screwed up. They set up an anonymous denunciation service by which someone sufficiently motivated could "game" the system and target any group of media... and lo and behold someone was. This was predicted by John Brunner in the novel "Shockwave Rider", published in 1975. This is why I keep saying, people building today's technological infrastructure need to read more Science Fiction, damnit. Oh, Blondin, I'm sure Mark Kingdon could get a copy cheap on Amazon. Phil Linden read "Snowcrash" and look where we are now.  _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-14-2009 16:06
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Dmitri Polonsky
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Strong objections to this whole mess
04-14-2009 16:12
Long, Busy, Holiday weekend. We had the Land Brown Bag this afternoon and the audio recording should be available within the day or so. I've missed a lot so I'm going to go back a few pages and start catching up. Sorry BLondin but these meetrings should be held publicly. I know the sheer volume of such would make it a logisitc nightmare but a lot of us have basica accounts and own our land through private estates. We are not getting any say in matters. There are several issues with this. First of which being the FACT that some years ago someone backdoored the SL website and lo and behold they aquirted everyone's info CC, Log in Name address, password. Thankfully it was some pathetic griefer who merely wanted to log in to other accounts and transfer L's itno thier own. The point being personal info is never secure online. You can encrypt it any way you want to and sooner or later some kid comes along and manages to snag it. I have VERY strong issue with giving RL personal info into the SL website which has already proven itself as highly insecure. Second, the adult grid is already supposed to not ahve minors in it however it is a simple matter for them to snag thier parents' info and fake verification then log in with no purpose in mind but to cause lots of grief. Linden's liasons have already shown a tendency to not only NOT do anything to stop grief but to actually protect the griefers against the victims. I myuself have expertienced this and in the YEARS I have been in SL if anything that situation has gotten worse. Especially since Linden refuses to provide ANY type of support to basic accounts. I am sure there will be those who say get a premium....I had one and reverted to basic when I disacoverred thast there was absolutely NO support for anyone but merely a lotta people wearing an official title(name) and making excuses. Example...three and a half yea4rs ago a perms but appearred in which permissions on created content would randomly go full perms on it's own, while in inventory and the user was offline or in vendors or even sitting rezzed in world..this bug still exists and the bug hunter who responded even saw it with his own eyes. Duplicated it himself then said it had to be my PC and teleported out> sorry to tell you but my thirty pluys years experience in computers tells me that perms stored server side cannot be alterred in this way while the creator is offline unless it is a server side bug. That being said... How does Linden Labs plan to address the sudden influx of griefing we are bound to suffer from? I sincerely hope it is not more of the same especially turning thier backs on Basic account holders who incidentally make up about 85% of the rezzies in SL Provide support, provide real resonpnse to griefers regardless of thier financial standing and I may consider a permnium account again, and I do mean 24./7 technical phone support for ALL user, and response and punishment for griefers...even if they happen to be a well known land baroness. Nuff said. \ |
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Selene Gregoire
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04-14-2009 16:15
I received the following notecard when I logged in today. Make of it what you will. It can't be said that I did not try to warn people not all that long ago about kids being allowed on the adult grid in the future. Get ready to be griefed like you have never been griefed before.
Against my wishes and my legitamate concerns over my infomation being made available to whoever wants it (those who were here a few years ago when LL announced that everyone needed to change thier passwords because some kid hacked into their server and obtained logins, personal info including credit card numbers, will understand that particular concern) I have verified my age using the last 4 digits of my SSN successfully. The last 4 digits of SSN seems to be the safest choice of the ones offered. Once again LL has not only greatly disappointed me and many others but they are quite successfully alienating the very people they need to be listening to. Every single resident of Second Life (FEEL FREE TO PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE AND EVERY GROUP - LETS GET WORD OUT THERE!) I was invited to a very closed door meeting with LL today on age verification. This is a series of meetings that are being conducted to make the switch to PG & Mature areas as easy as possible. Today was mostly about mainland and the audio conversation will be ready by tomm for all to hear. However, the most important thing I got today was that age verification will be in place by july. This means that ALL Regent run sims will be set to mature at that time. This means that in order to TP to a mature sim or to even SEARCH for mature you MUST have a verified account. You cant even LOOK for mature items unless you are verified. We are going on a campaign NOW to get everyone possible verified. Please go here to start now. https://secure-web10.secondlife.com/account/verification.php?lang=en The definition of mature is still being worked on but some of the items will include images, ‘bits’ worn, use of certain poses, even language (no cursing), certain activities and more. I will also be a part of this discussion as well. Why are they doing this? There are several reasons, but two big ones are as follows… 1. Adults wanting clean content – There are many adults out there that DO NOT want to be exposed to adult content. They want to go to a PG sim and NOT see mature content. This is a life style choice and a free one at that. I do not think there is anything wrong with that choice at all. Since many places abuse the PG rules, LL is stepping in to clean up and make better definitions for PG sims. They are even going to make a PURE mature mainland region for this as well. 2. The 2nd reason is kids are coming to the grid. This is further down the line, they have to clean it first before this happens. But they ARE coming. This is the biggest issue… kids. I know it is not reasonable to monitor speech and action of people and I will not triple my staff to look after adults. The only real solution for us will be to make the sims mature. There is still a lot to go over and talk about and we want to hear from you. Please join us on our personal forums and let us know what you think, want to hear and see. Since I am a part of this exclusive group that is giving feedback, I want to be armed with what the people want. Please keep in mind this WILL happen. There is not changing that fact. So what do you want to see when it does happen. http://regentestatessl.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=394 Sign up and speak up!! Thank you, Melody Regent _____________________
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Valerius Constantine
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04-14-2009 16:18
Clueless, or don't really care? I've been going through old landmarks this morning to see what effort is being made by business owners to get the word out. Almost none. Even one of the business owners who posted a long rant in one of these threads about the impending doom of his place has made no effort that I could see to inform his customers of the new policy. I'm beginning to wonder if they can't be bothered to care, why should I? There hasn't been a single instance outside this forum that I have talked to someone and they have liked this idea. I get two reactions: 1. "Let's all raise our "down with LL" banners and march on their virtual HQ!" 2. " I'm going to completely decorate my land in big floppy dicks, so I can move with the cool people!" Then I tell them about age verification, adult businesses losing maybe as much as 60% of their business when people realize that they aren't required to verify to *play*, but only if they want to play with the *grownups*. Then the subject usually turns to "How can I get payment info on my alts?" "What is the limit on alts anyway?". Rarely, I get "Screw LL! they're not getting another dime of my money!" Nobody outside of this forum that I have spoken to think of this as a *good* idea. Some say things like "It was bound to happen" or the like, but nobody *likes* it The reason that they haven't heard much in the way of negative feedback is that LL hasn't made SL *aware* of the changes. They talk about things on the forums, which is roughly like keeping the plans for the hyperspace bypass that will destroy earth at the planning council office on alpha centauri so earth people can look at it and comment if they care to. If LL put the forum headlines *back* on the log-in screen (which I anticipate they'll do when the policy *is* graven into the stone tables) I imagine there will be a lot more noise. Right now, LL hasn't said it in-world, so most people who hear about it probably think of it as a rumor- nothing to worry about *yet*. -V- |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 16:20
Too many stupid bloody meetings today keeping me from getting anything accomplished, of course. I know those life sapping days/weeks.. ugh. I know my life/the project is out of control when I get to work, go straight to a meeting and then back to back them until home time (including those crappy brown bags.. I mean ffs, do I look like a someone who willing gives up lunch??) I try only go to meetings if I'm feeling meddlesome, if my boss threatens me or if I get a letter from the chair's mother confirming it's important. I only ever throw meetings when I need to eyeball everyone and have minuted consent. Otherwise I'd rather do it over a coffee. There's not enough coffee based meetings for my taste, you get far more achieved. _____________________
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Hypatia Meili
Tilting at Windmills? :p
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04-14-2009 16:21
Whoops! Then I suppose that a vampire who was born during the reign of Elizabeth I is gonna be in *big* trouble! -V- I am a "Magical Shapeshifting Fae Polymorph", Age 200, which is young for my kind. (young for my kind meaning developmentally approximately equivalent to young adult human) |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-14-2009 16:26
They are clueless... and yes, i am sure some don't care, but what i am finding most often is people saying...."what are you talking about... adult content... moving sims.. ect...I give them a brief run down, and point them here. Not sure. as a business owner, what i can do short of that. Maybe put up a protest sign? I'd welcome any ideas ~Brie How about a sign for all adult business owners saying "Soon, you might not be able to come to my store, buy my products, or even find me in search! Click this sign for a notecard explaining LL's new policy about "adult content", and a link to the forum thread where the matter is being discussed" "I'm being driven out of business by Linden Labs!" "Linden labs is trying to segregate me from the "decent people" Anything along those lines. the more inflammatory the better. This is an issue, unlike gambling or banking, that affects *everyone*, has no basis in RL laws or requirements, and is completely *optional* on LL's part. It is also an issue that stinks all the more the closer you examine it, and has quite far-reaching consequences for *everyone* in SL, not just the providers and consumers of "adult content" Maybe we can't *stop* it, but we can at least *try*, right? |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-14-2009 16:26
I received the following notecard when I logged in today. Make of it what you will. I saw that notecard from Melody. She seems to be saying things that are at odds with what the rest said here when they came back from the meeting. She has also confused the concept of adult and mature I think. Blondin, you might like to have a chat to her about this.. She's quite a substantial land owner. _____________________
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Wynochee LeShelle
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This is a major problem
04-14-2009 16:37
One of my biggest worries is that SL will not be able to give me similar land...and I know I have to move! My question is what will determine who goes first? How much land we hold currently or by join date? The problem is...if someone a little older than I am, (if we use join dates), goes to only sim left available that would work for me and decides they want a 4096 in the very center of the sim how will I be able to place my 55000+ to be the same as I have it now? I currently have water on the north and south sides of my sim....I have seen one sim I would accept and it only has water on the west side...but without a doubt I will have to have water since that is why I bought the land where I am now...anything less will be unacceptable! I feel that the ones who hold the most land should get first choice...since we pay more tier and this is what all this is about isn't it? money! No offense to anyone who has been here longer but money talks and you know the rest. I would even be willing to only own 3 sides of the sim as long as I get my water! That's what I paid for and anything less like I said is unacceptable. P.S. and NO mountain land and NO solid water land. My friends and biz partners and I standing in front of the same problem. We are on different sims, but these are very well chosen and designed and we own on one a bigger part and on another a smaller part, but the environments and the conditions (low lag, no crowd, no ugly buildings, etc) are special. All was expensive enough and both has protected waterfronts, one has 2, one has 1 and a smaller kind of linden water lake in the middle. Mainland. But island atmosphere. No hills, no grass, or only a few, plus protected waterfronts at front and side. And there are many other people with well chosen land, conditions and environments. Everyone wants the exact same conditions again and I bet this will not be given by LL. And as Blondin, the messenger tool of the management, said today: no money back. Nothing. Basicly 9 days time - with some + in special cases. No help in re-building and re-organization. And people wich want only to swap, to hold and have the freedom of the former mature sims, to create, rezz and act as spontaneus as before and to be on the safe side of the line, has no right to swap for free. Matureland is complete poisoned now. It became literal worthless. It turns PG. And what has LL developed? 250 sims...only... It will be a penal colony, full of arbitrarily deplaced people, betrayed about their former land and their former free second life. The conditions are the same, as they were in all totalitary systems: "Inspector speaks: you have to go, you have 9 days time, you can only take this and that with you - move or die! - all what you paid is perdu, lost, confiscated! forget your designs and landscapes - move! Immediatly!" Gestapo style. Eichmann methods. And others have to stay, if they want to stay or not - in a grey "mature" zone - never knowing what is from now on wrong and what is right, if they rezz a thing or create another, or act somehow spontaneus. In light seen, it is pure fascism and violence what LL makes. Additional it is kafkaeske in its literal meaning. We can tell them day by day like a buddhistic prayer wheel, that no special criterias existing on earth, for people wich are 18+ of age. Anyone is adult and self-responsible per definition and constitutions from 18+ on and no third instance has a right to treat them as moral-slaves, nor to sort them arbitrarily into ridiculous fake-ratings. But u c: they don't listen. They are deaf, blind and muted on all intellectual channels. As I often wrote: if LL would try to do the same idea in San Francisco, as city administration... - imagine what the crowd would do with them... I have doubts if they would survive that - they would need the national guard as bodyguards... But with us idiots from all over the world they have the courage...-f***! But they have no courage to answer the basic questions, or to negotiate like people with honor. This they avoid like the devil avoids the holy water. Gutless gang. |
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Lexi Lock
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Some Effects of Opening the Grid to Teens
04-14-2009 16:51
i continue to be very confused about what all these changes mean, so forgive me in advance if i make some mistakes in my post.
integrating minors into the grid seems like such a patently terrible idea to me, i can only presume LL is doing this for financial reasons. i'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it's expensive to run a separate teen grid, but I'm guessing that must be the case, and this mess is an effort to cut costs. i expect the following results of moving businesses and integrating teens: 1. exponentially greater griefing. 2. Business owners forced to move, who are losing money, breaking even, or making a little money may abandon their businesses and land rather than deal with the trouble. 3. Busineses not moving, who are in PG areas, will lose a lot of business from adults who will stop frequenting any PG sim out of concern of being Abuse Reported for dressing "provacatively", cursing, or G*d knows what else. 4. Adults who do choose to frequent PG sims and who are looking for a social life, may end up flirting with a minor who appears to be an adult, and one day may even be prosecuted real life for soliciting a minor. 5. Cautious adults will flock to private estates once again and not risk encountering AR's and children on the mainland, all to the the detriment of Mainland sales. |
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
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04-14-2009 16:52
Assuming my smutted-up parcels qualify for Ursula, I'll make-do with whatever I get. I mean, I'd kinda like to end up with all the land in one or two convex chunks, and it would be really nice if it had performance even half as good as the sims I'm leaving (I know: dream on!). But other than good sim stats, there's nothing very special about the parcels I'd be leaving, so I can't complain if I get the stuff that's left over after others get the prime spaces.
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gaybunnyman98 Aeon
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effects on business
04-14-2009 16:53
I sell a lot of adult related furry items, does this mean all my business is going to dissappear over night or that i am going to be pushed to another gird.
Next item of business i heard virtual prostitution would be banned soon as well. So does this mean sl isn't safe for virtual sex business owners or prostitutes any more. |
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Brenda Connolly
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04-14-2009 16:56
I saw that notecard from Melody. She seems to be saying things that are at odds with what the rest said here when they came back from the meeting. She has also confused the concept of adult and mature I think. Blondin, you might like to have a chat to her about this.. She's quite a substantial land owner. Be prepared for more well intentioned misinformation. LL really needs to start speaking to the masses on this immediatelty if they wish to maintain any goodwill with the residents at all. _____________________
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Sindy Tsure
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04-14-2009 17:03
I sell a lot of adult related furry items, does this mean all my business is going to dissappear over night or that i am going to be pushed to another gird. Next item of business i heard virtual prostitution would be banned soon as well. So does this mean sl isn't safe for virtual sex business owners or prostitutes any more. They will tell you that neither of those things are part of the current project. If you have a escort club, that would probably have to move but it wouldn't be 'outlawed'. Furry stuff isn't part of the current plan yet, though. |
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
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04-14-2009 17:09
. So does this mean sl isn't safe for virtual sex business owners or prostitutes any more. SL isn't safe for anyone who's not a god fearing church going type. _____________________
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Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
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04-14-2009 17:16
Furry stuff isn't part of the current plan yet, though. What does that mean? (Rhetorical question...no answer needed) Because: the half hairy City of SF would attack and storm their rl headquarter, hehehe...and the half of the Linden staff would start a mutinity. |
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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04-14-2009 17:23
How about a sign for all adult business owners saying "Soon, you might not be able to come to my store, buy my products, or even find me in search! Click this sign for a notecard explaining LL's new policy about "adult content", and a link to the forum thread where the matter is being discussed" "I'm being driven out of business by Linden Labs!" "Linden labs is trying to segregate me from the "decent people" Anything along those lines. the more inflammatory the better. This is an issue, unlike gambling or banking, that affects *everyone*, has no basis in RL laws or requirements, and is completely *optional* on LL's part. It is also an issue that stinks all the more the closer you examine it, and has quite far-reaching consequences for *everyone* in SL, not just the providers and consumers of "adult content" Maybe we can't *stop* it, but we can at least *try*, right? Excellent Ideas V... think me & Photoshop will be spending some time together tonight and I'll make that. Thanks  |
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Deltango Vale
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04-14-2009 17:25
This is why I keep saying, people building today's technological infrastructure need to read more Science Fiction, damnit. _____________________
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-14-2009 17:30
This is a copy of a note card that i have to give out in SL, That has initially been sent through the *I* am Adult Content Group. Anyone wishing a copy, shoot me an IM in world. It may not make a difference, but if we can get enough signatures, maybe they will pay some attention.
We, the undersigned, as residents of SL, would like to submit this petition as a suggestion for the moving/swapping of mainland parcels to the new Ursula sim. This is currently being discussed at: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content /352/11/314444/1.html We ask LL to thoughtfully consider the following: 1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up. 2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *dual* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one month's land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and the loss of business this move will force us to incur. 3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group. We are currently looking for acceptable compromises in this issue, and believe that the above listed would go a long way towards improving customer/LL relations, and make this move as painless as possible, with minimal impact to LL and the residents that have contributed real time, and real money, into making SL “Our World, Our Imagination”. If you would like your name added to this petition, please copy the following line and send an instant message to Brieanne Bomazi in world. Your name will be added to the petition, and after a reasonable time, the completed petition will be passed to the appropriate Lindens. The completed petition will also be sent out as a group notice in the group as well. Please feel free to pass this out to your personal groups, friends, and anyone else that you feel may be affected by this. ******START COPING BELOW THIS LINE******** I wish my name to be added to the petition regarding land move/swap for Adult Content in SL. (insert current date/time ~use SL time please~) *******STOP COPING HERE********* Its been said no one has put forth any concrete ideas to show we are all agreed... Here's one. ~Brie |
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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04-14-2009 17:34
1) In response to the issue of Maturity levels building on each other: 'Except that's not how it currently works. Right now, if Age Verified is checked, AND Group Access is checked, then Shopper Furball can get in despite not being Age Verified, because Group Membership is checked first. Are you saying that server 1.26 changes this? ANSWER: Maturity is set at the region level. You can set other permissions at the estate or parcel level. Regarding group access and age-verified, you can only set one or the other at each level from what we could tell. This has not changed at all. Examples: Estate - limited to group, Parcel - limited to age-verified Estate - limited to age-verified, Parcel - limited to group can't do Estate - limited to age-verified & group or Parcel - limited to age-verified & group And when tested, whatever the estate was limited to took precedence, and if the resident could get in the estate, then the parcel permission took effect. So, if Shopper Furball is not age-verified, if the estate is set to require age-verification Shopper Furball will not get in to the estate to even try to get into the parcel. If the estate is set to group but the parcel is set to age-verified, Shopper Furball will get into the estate, but not the parcel. "Who's on first, What's on Second, and I Don't Know's on third...." Sheesh 2) Is there a timeline for when a Release Candidate viewer is expected that can exercise these settings? (Perhaps coincident with a "Beta grid" viewer preset to connect to Aditi, which is probably the only place with the relevant sim restriction attributes.) ANSWER: The tentative timeline would be this summer (june / july)*[/QOUTE] Is there a timeline for an actual *in-world announcement to your customers* so that you can get a more accurate idea of how many will be affected, and how many actually *want* a more "predictable experience"? You seem to be pulling this "2% to 4%" number directly from the nether regions. I have seen *nothing* confirming this, no attempt to confirm it, and since this will affect *everyone* with no payment info on file/not age verified, the 2%-4% number is inaccurate right out of the gate. How big is the tail wagging this dog? 3) I rent houses, in a Mature Mainland Sim, I get all sorts of tenants, Vampires, Goreans, BDSMers etc..... What if one of my tenants wants to have a party and advertises it - lets say for the sake of argument its a regular Saturday night BDSM party which they advertise. Lets then say adult activities are had within the privacy of one of my rental houses. These are things being done by my tenants, not organized or officially sanctioned by me (though not forbidden either). Yet advertised by the tenant. So where does that put me? Are my rentals suddenly Adult? Must I move because of the actions of my tenants? How would you police and enforce such a thing? ANSWER: It would be up to you as the owner to decide whether or not to flag your land as Adult or Mature. The situation in question would appear to be adult and the tenant would either need to be on a parcel set to adult, on the adult mainland or adjusted such that it accommodates the mature rating. So much for private residents being unaffected by this. How in blue blazes in someone going to "accidentally" walk into a BDSM party in a private residence, when the only way they could find it in search is by *looking* for BDSM parties? 4) People who have many parcels separated in a number of different sims, if they declare the land as adult requiring a swap to Ursula, can they opt to join them into whole sims, or will they be swapped on an individual basis? ANSWER: Yes, we will be able to accommodate this kind of request. At least *this* is a reasonable attitude to take with your paying customers. 5) What about providing REAL privacy controls on the mainland (JIRA SVC-205)? ANSWER: This feature request is not a part of the Adult project. Why not? You would think that is the goal is to "provide a more predictable experience" and such, that the more arrows in the quiver, the better. that LL has *decided* how this will be done, and is ignoring all other suggestions makes a mockery of your LL "Tao". Maybe you should change the slogan to "Our world, our lack of imagination, take it or leave it suckers!"  How is LL going to notify people that it's time to get on the consignment list?ANSWER: We will roll out the program publicly via the blogs and forums in a few weeks. BZZZZZZZTTTT! Sorry, but that's nowhere near good enough. A login splash screen that *every* SL user sees is the only way to do this fairly. *anything* else is simply an attempt to hide this decision for as long as possible, to milk as much money as possible out of the residents. The program should have been "rolled out publicly" when you started thinking about *doing* it. there should have been a commentary period about the best and least disruptive ways to do it *before* decisions were cast in stone, and the *first* thing that should have been done was to decide what content and use would be considered to be "adult", in *consultation with your customers*. This is either *catastrophically* poor planning, or a carefully timed and executed plan to shaft the majority of resident on behalf of the merely *loud*; while still soaking as much money as possible out of us in the meantime. If this is a *good* idea, supported by all but 2%-4% of residents, then *WHY AREN'T YOU ANNOUNCING IT IN WORLD TO THE ADORING 96%-98%?* *why* is LL keep in this in the fine print, and out of the public eye? Could it possibly be because LL knew for a fact that this *wouldn't* supported by a majority of residents? Couldn't *possibly* be supported by a majority of residents? Was never going to be anything *but* disapproved of by the majority of residents? Wow, okay, I'm pretty mad right now. I'm gonna go cool off. -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
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04-14-2009 17:38
TRANSCRIPT? Why not hold these "brown bags" in text so (a) they're more efficient, (b) there's a transcript, and (c) more people can effectively take part? Because they don't *want* efficiency, a record, or effective resident participation. They want us to shut up and swallow what they're forcing down our throats. I'm afraid that we can no longer depend upon the general goodwill of LL towards their residents. that is the only answer that fits all the facts and all the actions by LL in recent days. -V- |