Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 12:50
From: Argent Stonecutter
TRANSCRIPT?

Why not hold these "brown bags" in text so (a) they're more efficient, (b) there's a transcript, and (c) more people can effectively take part?



because in the modern second life world of business, meetings are held with audio and IMs are the equivalent of passing notes. Text chat is actually redundant as it isn't efficient.

If we won't move with the times and embrace voice then that's our problem. They're not about tailoring their communication style to their audience.
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
GreenKnight Kaul
Registered User
Join date: 24 Apr 2008
Posts: 55
04-14-2009 12:51
From: Argent Stonecutter
TRANSCRIPT?

Why not hold these "brown bags" in text so (a) they're more efficient, (b) there's a transcript, and (c) more people can effectively take part?


Because a text record of the events would be too easily distributed?

Could someone please supply a link of the previous audio brown bags?
_____________________
"I am not just an avatar, I am a human being behind the avatar"
Matthew Dowd
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,046
04-14-2009 12:54
From: Blondin Linden
8) How is LL going to notify people that it's time to get on the consignment list?
ANSWER: We will roll out the program publicly via the blogs and forums in a few weeks.


As the blog headlines no longer display in the logon screen of the viewer, advertising in the blogs and forums only will only reach a very small proportion of those affected by these changes.

You really need to announce this via the viewer itself (e.g. via the logon screen or message of the day).

Matthew
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-14-2009 12:56
From: Couldbe Yue
because in the modern second life world of business, meetings are held with audio and IMs are the equivalent of passing notes. Text chat is actually redundant as it isn't efficient.
Text chat is more efficient in a meeting with multiple people. You can talk faster than you can type, but you can read faster than you can listen.
_____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/

"And now I'm going to show you something really cool."

Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23
Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
04-14-2009 13:00
From: Phoenix Welles
I counted Jack, JP, Marty, Blondin and Pete

Marty?? /me looks a little surprised.

He's LLs head lawyer, isn't he? Did he say anything interesting?
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 13:00
From: Brenda Connolly
I'm pretty much off the train. I am at the station and was about to buy another ticket, but I'm going to have a seat on the platform and watch for now.


I was just thinking that. I've spent the last couple of hours weighing up what to do with all the land and what my sl would look like without the shopkeeper tag or the baggage of a premium account or land.

It actually doesn't look to bad you know. Having no ties means it doesn't really matter what comes next, I'll have no stake in it so they can do what they like and it will certainly be nice stop paying a company that takes my money yet considers me unwanted scum.
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,870
04-14-2009 13:01
From: GreenKnight Kaul
Because a text record of the events would be too easily distributed?

Could someone please supply a link of the previous audio brown bags?


https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/25/follow-up-adult-content-changes
_____________________
Independent Shopping for Second Life residents from established and new merchants.

http://slapt.me



slapt.me - In-World HQ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bastet/123/118/26
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-14-2009 13:03
From: Couldbe Yue
go an have a look at ursula on the map - you still can't get into it but you'll see the layout.. there's an awful lot of structures on some of those sims, so I assume some of the chosen ones have already bagged theirs.


Not True. The structures you see on Ursula are typical of any Linden build - municipal buildings if you will, roads etc. No land has been given away

From: Couldbe Yue
Blondin, If they do put snow in (which I have seen absolutely no evidence of yet) can you make sure it really is the snow texture rather than the ice? Ice is as much of a failure to us snow bunnies as that rock you guys were so fond of using in nautilus.


I'll give this issue another gentle prod ;-)

From: Couldbe Yue
Assuming I'm not going to be screwed in a few months time over age verification and if i can pick my plot then I'm quite happy to go up to a full sim and stay there.. Except none of them really look particularly attractive at the moment


Everyone will get a chance to go in and look. It'll be like an open house. A side note for people who want to stay with friends and neighbors: you should coordinate with yourselves and all go in at once to try and pick land that will accommodate the group.
Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
04-14-2009 13:03
From: Couldbe Yue
I was just thinking that. I've spent the last couple of hours weighing up what to do with all the land and what my sl would look like without the shopkeeper tag or the baggage of a premium account or land.

It actually doesn't look to bad you know. Having no ties means it doesn't really matter what comes next, I'll have no stake in it so they can do what they like and it will certainly be nice stop paying a company that takes my money yet considers me unwanted scum.


*wipes off the bench with a newspaper*

Have a seat.
_____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.

http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 13:04
From: Argent Stonecutter
Text chat is more efficient in a meeting with multiple people. You can talk faster than you can type, but you can read faster than you can listen.


If that was the case then why is it that all rl - sitting around the table - type meetings I've ever been in has used voice and when we do conference calls they're also in that funny thing called voice?

I doubt very much that businesses in here use chat *at all* for their virtual meetings.. But I'll also lay bets they don't use sl voice but still conference call.
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
...
04-14-2009 13:06
So , nothing new under the sun, after the brown bags.

5% of the worlds population are seeing life and eros as a sports medicine affair wich should happen at:

a) nuclear-bomb-safe work-out basements if it happens in private

and:

b) at a concentration camp if it happens open air.

This again was the motivation for LL to see all as pestilence and cholera in one, who are seeing life and eros as monument of Man's freedom.

Since they told (but could be a lie...and is assumedly a lie) that there are no extern forces involved, but only a few super-prudish "residents" - better: *designated* "residents"...)

I can come to only one last final conclusion:

A whole company is apparently catched by a collective obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Get well soon! And may the great Shamalamadingdong bless all Linden managers and employees, while they fight the last big heroic metaphysical battle in Man's history as a war on eros.

A battle designed and based in that land, wich has cognitively connected any theory of apocalyptic dynamics to: skin, genitals and joy...while celebrating life as hollywoods explosion cults, free trading of half-automatic weapons and fast killing junk-food, delivered in brown bags and flushed down by this famous fast killing brown lemonades.

Choke on it!

LOL.

(*the next sentences I censored by myself in wise foresight*)

******* ***+, ******, **** ****** ** ***** ***********! @$ยง&!=%%!
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 13:06
From: Brenda Connolly
*wipes off the bench with a newspaper*

Have a seat.



/me plonks myself down and uncorks the bottle in the brown paper bag.

want a swig?
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Phoenix Welles
Multiple Avatar Disorder
Join date: 6 Jan 2007
Posts: 111
04-14-2009 13:07
From: Sindy Tsure
Marty?? /me looks a little surprised.

He's LLs head lawyer, isn't he? Did he say anything interesting?


the talking was fairly well split between him and JP with occasional comments from jack from what I could tell. Nothing horribly interesting from any legal standpoint that I could tell.
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 13:08
From: GreenKnight Kaul

Could someone please supply a link of the previous audio brown bags?


as far as I know it wasn't released
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-14-2009 13:08
This is a re-post of Question 1 that I just listed. It may not have been clear so we cleaned up some of the language to make it a bit easier to understand:

Maturity is set at the region level. Other access permissions are set at either the Estate or the Parcel level, or both. Regarding group access and age-verified, you can only set one at a time. If you want to set both, you would need to set one option at the Estate level, and the other option at the Parcel level. This has not changed at all.

Whatever the estate is limited to will take precedence, and if the resident can get in the estate, then the parcel permission takes effect.

So, if Shopper Furball is not age-verified, if the estate is set to require age-verification Shopper Furball will not get into the estate to even try to get into the parcel.


If the estate is set to group but the parcel is set to age-verified, Shopper Furball will get into the estate, but not the parcel.

This is assuming that Shopper Furball is a member of the group but is not age-verified. This answer also doesn't take region maturity into account. Shopper Furball would have to have their preference set to allow them into the maturity of the region as well as these estate and parcel settings.
Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
Join date: 16 May 2007
Posts: 163
hmmmm
04-14-2009 13:08
just a thought...I wonder what will happen when ursula is completely full and there are a few hundred or thousand people left that fit into the so called *ADULT* catagory......will timelines be changed or what?
I have a funny feeling this will drag on a very long time!
Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
Posts: 3,075
04-14-2009 13:09
Blondin, do we have an ETA on when we can expect an update on what actually constitutes Adult Content?
_____________________


http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick
All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-14-2009 13:12
From: Couldbe Yue
Yes, I know you'll ignore this like all the others but hey, you've wasted so much of my time lately what's another few minutes?

So my question is about buy back.

Will you buy back the land for those people who do not wish to age verify or move to the adult continent?

Since this is a voluntary act of censorship by LL, surely even you guys must see that a little good will might be in order here.


I think this was covered at the brown bag today. No we won't be buying back any land.
Matthew Dowd
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,046
04-14-2009 13:14
From: Blondin Linden
This is a re-post of Question 1 that I just listed. It may not have been clear so we cleaned up some of the language to make it a bit easier to understand:

Maturity is set at the region level. Other access permissions are set at either the Estate or the Parcel level, or both. Regarding group access and age-verified, you can only set one at a time. If you want to set both, you would need to set one option at the Estate level, and the other option at the Parcel level. This has not changed at all.

Whatever the estate is limited to will take precedence, and if the resident can get in the estate, then the parcel permission takes effect.

So, if Shopper Furball is not age-verified, if the estate is set to require age-verification Shopper Furball will not get into the estate to even try to get into the parcel.


If the estate is set to group but the parcel is set to age-verified, Shopper Furball will get into the estate, but not the parcel.

This is assuming that Shopper Furball is a member of the group but is not age-verified. This answer also doesn't take region maturity into account. Shopper Furball would have to have their preference set to allow them into the maturity of the region as well as these estate and parcel settings.



If I understand it correctly then this isn't going to work.

Suppose I have an estate which is limited to a group. The group is open access (but may require a sign up fee). The estate is clearly adult in nature. There are multiple owners of parcels within the estate who set their own access permissions (some of whom may be also limiting to particular groups).

Clearly in this case (as group membership cannot be limited to adult verified only), the estate needs to be tagged as adult. Will this be possible?

Matthew
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-14-2009 13:14
From: Couldbe Yue
If that was the case then why is it that all rl - sitting around the table - type meetings I've ever been in has used voice and when we do conference calls they're also in that funny thing called voice?
Because control freaks feel good about them. I find conference calls and large meetings terribly frustrating: meetings with more than a few active participants are horribly inefficient without a rigid and tightly controlled structure... which is of course why control freaks love them. Larger meetings either turn into serial monologues or break up into multiple mini-meetings while the control freaks sit and fume and rag on the people off in the corner in smaller groups actually accomplishing something.

Edit: I've been in several conference calls where the actual productive work was done in Jabber out of band.
_____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/

"And now I'm going to show you something really cool."

Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23
Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
04-14-2009 13:15
From: Blondin Linden
5) What about providing REAL privacy controls on the mainland (JIRA SVC-205)?
ANSWER: This feature request is not a part of the Adult project..

I think the point of the question was that something like SVC-205, which has been open for almost 2 years now, would solve a lot of the issues that LL says it's trying to solve.

I'm really having a hard time understanding LLs position on this. Do you guys know how it reads to us when you supply answers like the one above without even a "that's a good jira but it doesn't address points X & Y that we're trying to solve"??
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-14-2009 13:16
From: Blondin Linden
Maturity is set at the region level. Other access permissions are set at either the Estate or the Parcel level, or both. Regarding group access and age-verified, you can only set one at a time. If you want to set both, you would need to set one option at the Estate level, and the other option at the Parcel level. This has not changed at all.
Yes, Blondin, we understand this. That's pretty much a paraphrase of Ceera's original question. What we are asking is WHY THIS IS NOT BEING FIXED.
_____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/

"And now I'm going to show you something really cool."

Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23
Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
04-14-2009 13:23
From: Sindy Tsure
I think the point of the question was that something like SVC-205, which has been open for almost 2 years now, would solve a lot of the issues that LL says it's trying to solve.

I'm really having a hard time understanding LLs position on this. Do you guys know how it reads to us when you supply answers like the one above without even a "that's a good jira but it doesn't address points X & Y that we're trying to solve"??


I think it should be beyond clear by now that there is no interest in really solving the "problem" on LL's part here. This is a "smoke-filled room" decided-by-committee project that some Linden or small group of Lindens has undertaken in righteous haste, which means that there will be no real consideration of the REAL issues or effective solutions and, as such, it will be dogged to death with every kind of fail imaginable, just like such initiatives are in RL.

I mean, they might as well be a Board of Education trying to install Creationism *cough* I mean "Intelligent Design" over Evolution in school curriculum.

I mean, after all, it's about giving the students a "choice" or "more control in their education", yes?
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-14-2009 13:23
From: Milla Janick
Blondin, do we have an ETA on when we can expect an update on what actually constitutes Adult Content?


Hopefully soon! We have a rough draft and plan on another Definitions Brown Bag later this week to discuss it. From there we'll tweak and distribute it for feedback when we think we are close to a final version.
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-14-2009 13:32
From: Argent Stonecutter
Because control freaks feel good about them. I find conference calls and large meetings terribly frustrating: meetings with more than a few active participants are horribly inefficient without a rigid and tightly controlled structure... which is of course why control freaks love them. Larger meetings either turn into serial monologues or break up into multiple mini-meetings while the control freaks sit and fume and rag on the people off in the corner in smaller groups actually accomplishing something.


Then I must work in a more focussed/rarefied environment than you. I'm quite used to chairing meetings up to 20 people where discussion, decisions and action items are pretty quickly gone through. Although I am known for not tolerating too much digression or mini meetings ;)

When you're talking about meetings of that size though the majority of the participants are only there for their particular interest - usually there'll be a core of probably 1/2 dozen who are the real decision makers.

Even public meetings I've been to where they have Q&As are usually done in voice oddly enough.

edit to address your addendum
From: someone

Edit: I've been in several conference calls where the actual productive work was done in Jabber out of band.

yes, I prefer conference calls with IM to face to face for that reason too.

and i must add that I'm sad you failed to see the sarcasm of the original post. C'est la vie
_____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55
XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc
Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
1 ... 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 ... 307