Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Mathew and Talarus, I have to laugh too. We are talking about the same thing. We are in total agreement.

Everything you said is true, and everything I said is true too.

It is nothing more than technicality here. Of course, I know the non-exclusive license clause, and of course you know what I mean by releasing the IP rights. The difference is how much the rights is released and how much is retained, and when that right is revoked with or without notice.

As in facebook case, they retain their claims to your right even after you deleted your account, and they insist it is their permanent record and will keep it forever. Ok, which rights are you talking about? No matter how non-exclusive they tell you they will keep it for their service and use, can you take it back? Ha ha Welcome to the world of technicality.

Same thing with LL. When you deleted your account or when they delete your account, your inventory and your creation will still be a permanent record in LL to be used with their service. Yes, it is a non-exclusive license. Can you take it back? Ha ha, who is laughing?

Of course we agree on the fact that if you display/play it, you have to decrypt it, otherwise it would be totally useless nonsense.

Of course, if you put a key-stroke logger in your computer, nothing in the world, no encryption scheme in the entire universe can keep you secret. That is a moot point. That is a no-brainer.
Ha Ha, as if I didn't know that. Ditto the above no-brainer!

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about whether you leave LL as the gatekeeper to protect your IP right or you, as the creator, the gatekeeper to protect your IP using encryption. In other words, if you want to talk about reverse-engineering, or bypass the encryption to start out with a keystroke logger, which I know fully, then it is a moot point. Same moot point about https. That is why I LMAOLOFL.

That is exactly why I said we are in agreement, and laugh at how people play that technicality game to be right.

So relax, and enjoy freedom we have. Isn't what this thread is about? So stay focus or else you become ADHD

Hey, isn't putting locks in everything, restricting our freedom that we are whining about?

So which side are you going to argue now? Advocating removing the locks in your IP rights and let all your creations in SL FULL PERM so it will be all free because all your permissions in the inventory can always be bypassed, or removing the locks to the entry of Adult continent so it will be free, since the age-verification system can always be bypassed?

Same argument, everything can be bypassed in the real world, so why not give me all your IP rights, so it is stupid to even claim you have an IP rights to start out with. Isn't IP right oxymoron, why protect it to start out with if it can always be broken? Why are you so happy that LL gave you that non-exclusive license when anyone can steal it as you said any which way they want?

So you can always be right whichever side you are arguing for.

I guess we got nothing else better to do but to pick our nose Ahh!!!

no, the posts i quoted still there.. and for days everytime i tried to respond to anything that Blondin posted, i got a *forbidden, not allowed* message. I even tried copy/paste what i was going to say after quoting someone at random.. same message. I do believe the thought police are monitoring this forum.. more than they respond to it.

We sit and play the damn wait game it seems like. If you have a box of *I am Adult content* stuff you'd be willing to share, I'd love to have on to put out at my place as well. 3 years in business... and now its... hurry up and wait, on new rules, new policies, move dates...ect.

Linden Labs is not going to announce these changes to the community until the very last minute. They have essentially buried this forum. Why is it not on the main blog page? Why was it detoured and buried here? Even M. Linden's review of the peachy SL Economy was in a blog that anyone within the community, or outside of the community could access. They are intentionally hiding this from the community just like they hid the fact that they started this whole process more than just a month ago when they first released the AC changes Blog.

They send one Linden in here to answer questions, which has been anything but "a more predictable experience." That in itself says how important they consider this issue.

That's the SQL injection filtering crap rearing its head..

See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-917

I thought that too, since most of the things that it wont allow me to post are usually criticisms of LL but I actually think that the forum software is so crappy that if you put anything it might mistake for a command it has a breakdown.. for one very long post i made i actually previewed each individual line until i found the offending words.. completely innocuous but are probably used to trigger the execution of certain software functionality.

LL claim they're replacing the forum software soon.. it will be a blessing as this is sooooo early1990s..

First of all, I have no idea where you're coming from with "keystroke loggers". You don't need a "keystroke logger" when the person behind the keyboard has no interest in maintaining YOUR security.
If you don't back up your own content, it doesn't matter whether you create it in OpenSim or Second Life, the service you create it in is the gatekeeper to YOUR access to the content. If you do back it up, then NEITHER OpenSim NOR Second Life is the gatekeeper.

If you are talking about content you BUY in the game, then it doesn't matter whether the service you create it in protects it by controlling access to the content (as SL does) or by controlling access to the encryption keys (as ANY DRM-based scheme does), you're dependent on the service either way.

However, thinking about things... are you actually talking about making EACH and EVERY content creator responsible for maintaining their own asset repository and key distribution service? You think people are pissed about asset loss in Linden Labs asset servers? Wait until they discover their inventory changes every day depending on which of several hundred content creators webservers are down!

Do you have any model in mind of how this "no gatekeeper" scheme would work? What exactly is it that you're proposing?

The brown bag has just kicked off..



/me drums my fingers on the table...


waiting, waiting, waiting

Oh, all right. Hold out your glass.

I've yet to hear anybody ask for them to be replaced - mostly we've just been asking for them to be working since they were hobbled almost 2 years ago..

hmmm I thought I'd deleted that post since as soon as I posted it I saw yours..

no matter, you now hear me asking for it to be replaced. It's old fashioned and cumbersome.

When they're ready they say they'll merge the xsl with this one.. It will be an interesting merge of cultures.

mmmm what a great idea.. the sun is over the yard arm and it's probably a good way to end the first day of the working week.

/me holds out my glass and grins

I really don't have time for this because it is not relevant to the topic of this thread of Adult content changes, but just for your curiosity, I was responding to Matthew Dowd's HTTPS scenario where he argued HTTPS encryption is useless because you can always bypass it with a keystroke logger before it is encrypted and snoop the output display of your browser. That is why the whole argument is a moot point, which is totally off topic of encryption. And blow the whole thing out of proportion.

Again, let me make my last clarification and quit talking about it. My point is about who is the arbitrator to decide the permission granting the IP rights to the end-user:

It can be arbitrated either:
* by LL (or by some central authority in Open Sim) policed by the non-creator of the IP or
* by you (a distributed authority) policed by the creator of the IP.

Encryption allows you to arbitrate and policy your own IP rights by you as the creator.

Of course, you can argue that you still have to give LL the authority to distribute your IP right even if you encrypt it yourself, and arbitrate who to give it to, again, that is a moot point, not we are discussing it here.

So, please let this die, or start a new thread if you wish. I have no time for this when we are going in a circle.

Just updating to the current version of the software would be enough. Another empty promise, the new forum that was supposed to be launched last October. Different software, 3rd party moderators, Big Spaceship........vapor! Then they put out the Yahoo answers style idea. That has pretty much died. What will the next froum overhaul story be?

No. It. Doesn't.

/me covers her ears and sings loudly: LA LA LAAA!!

Nobody's asked for it. They're be perfectly fine if they updated them to a newer version of the software.

it's quite possible it will happen. the xsl forums is the only LL owned forum open for all to see. They moved us off the blogs to here and so it's only a matter of time before xsl goes behind closed doors.

I did ask for an eta for it but of course there was no straight answer. One day I will get a direct answer to a question I pose and I swear the human behind this mouthy beast will fall off her chair in surprise.

Do they moderate that forum as well as this one? *snickers*

Nope, LL have said during the brown bags that it's ok for universities to have adult discussions on PG land. They're exempt from the rules.

yep.. lol

since they took over it's gone right down hill and I thought before that it had hit rock bottom.. O.O

Any idea how long it will be?

I've yet to chat with anyone not already posting on these threads who has any idea that this change is coming.

It really is in LL's best interest to get the word out as widely as possible in advance because the more people who are taken by surprise by this, the more of a social, PR, and economic disaster this will be.

There's a "just so story" I can concoct for this: LL doesn't want to give the impression that they're not listening at these brown-bag things, so they don't want to expose the final policy yet, so they don't want to get people worked up about a policy that isn't yet final in all its details, so they don't announce it any more broadly than they have already.

One could even make an argument that if they actually are gathering feedback, they've probably gotten as useful a sample as they'd get by casting the net wider.

But yeah: the poor bastards who are still out there buying Mature Mainland parcels--or even worse, whole private sims, with mixed-use intent... it's really awfully close to bait-and-switch, with the "switch" deeply buried in the fine print.

it's just finished. I've been watching the I am adult content group chat and it seems it was all in voice but Catriana Ninetails is saying she'll write up a quick notecard and get it out to the group.

my problem is that Couldbe isn't in the group and I'm watching it on a geegaw that doesn't have access to the forums so I can't post the notecard when I get it.

anyone inworld who can do it?

Or maybe LL could post transcripts?

ahhh yes, like all the others that haven't been posted?? lol