Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

Try picturing yourself as noob, getting your first piece of virtual land through auction, barely understanding how to navigate, or why messages are being sent to you from areas you walk close to, and unable to get to point “B” because there are ban lines blocking you. The initial joy of owning your first homestead on the mainland quickly turns to frustration, and rage. Forgive me for being emotional, and without factual knowledge on the possitive impact your advertising is having for business, but do the people you advertise for really want the residential comunity of the mainland to leave? Are the links to the XXX sites, legalized gambling machines, porn mags, malls, and clubs that much more effective than using search, classifieds, and, or the weekly $30L directory fee? You have defaced the mainland landscape with 16-32-64-...useless micro parcels That residence have (used to to pay insane amounts for, just to be able to complete our dream build, and block one, or two of these eye sores so that we can show our family, and friends why we love SL so much. Trust that we are, and will thrust hundreds of thousands, if not millions of $L into the LL economy because of this wonderful effort to restore the mainland, the spirit of it’s residence, the legitimate schools, and businesses that understand the true potential this Second Life has to offer, and who might have left long ago if it weren’t for the advocates here in these pages you are insulting (This part is edited..had something to do with ignorance/greed, and I was going to stoop to your level, but that’s not very Bushido like . Many, many thanks to Jack, the team at LL, and most of all the advocates who have worked hard for years for this restoration of faith for the creative betterment, and the beauty of the mainland comunity which brought MOST of us here

Why don't you people see the clasic signs of trollism from jubjub? demands for proof and demands for more proof when given while at the same time not giving any to back his/her own claims.

Did anyone check if jubjub actualy has ad parcels?

Jubby has been involved in both threads he has over 300 adplots currently and uses them for advertising his business.
This was stated earlier in this thread.

Not that that means he *isn't* trolling.

It seems to me that some people here need to understand what trolling actually is, since it's frequently, and incorrectly, used against those who continue to disagree. Of course the purpose of saying it is as a mild insult, which only serves to reveal the nature of the person saying it.

AR's locked and loaded.

Duck and cover, AdFarmers. Incoming!

Yes you are right Feel Good Inc

The best tool for marketing that LL has ever given to SL was the inspect button.

Most of the things I buyed was because i saw it, liked, inspected to see the creator profile, go to pics and jumped to the guy store.

I do not see how gambling, pornography and bad taste rotating prims will help to sell a good product.

the credibility of a good product is very bad impacted when side by side with porno

Yes I would agree, I buy things because I see them and like them, not because of adverts, but if I were looking for something and saw an advert for it, I would visit the store and have a look at it and most likely any other products.

This is Jubby's point he has adverts for the products he sells, his adverts are not nice to look at but he says they work.
There is no reason to disbelieve him, I would expect it does work for him but that doesn't mean it is the best method of advertising products and pleasant for the people around his adverts.

Under the new rules his adverts will look better, be in better places and receive more clicks and his neighbors should be happier to, every ones a winner



Yes again I agree, but pornography will be stopped on adverts from 1st October bad taste rotating prims will be stopped to.
Advertising on a small parcel is not the ideal and some people dislike it intensely, but to say it doesn't work is clearly wrong.
LL are happy to allow its continuance under their terms, hopefully those terms will be enforced strictly and the mainland should benefit greatly.

This leaves the real problem of gambling machines and small parcels being used for extortion, hopefully LL will be dealing with those issues under the umbrella of estate management, that is something that still greatly concerns me.
As I simply don't believe yet they have the manpower to succeed, I hope I am wrong and
would love to eat my words though!

I won't click on ad towers. Ad towers are sleazy and clicking on them might be no safer than clicking on a link in a strange Email.

I too have no idea why if these are legitimate marketers (which they aren't but they claim to be) that they:

- do not pull out of an area not conducive to ads and sell their plot at cost and look for a more receptive area

- expect people with homes and actual locales to accommodate them when everyone's paid for their properties and are not obligated to see ads in their back yards, and the logic of expecting people and their friends to have ads rammed down their visual throats when it's clear they will never be consumers. Again see the first point

- do not use the search and classified areas OR take out an ad with SLU instead of pay tier on lots of crappy microparcels

- feel there is a contribution to Second Life with 16sqm plots allowing 2 prims. I'm having trouble with that logic.

If I had the need to advertise in SL, it sure wouldn't be via these "things."

Most of the points I bring up - which have forever been brought up - point to acts of spite, using their adspace as weapons to oppress or piss off people... I think it's all Freudian and these are all pseudo weiners they're waving at everyone for attention. "I have more straight fullbright towers than anybody and the one in the middle of your yard will not be denied." This mentality makes no sense versus selling at cost and using legitimate ad channels.

Deliberately provoking an argument for the sake of argument. Trolls may do this by a number of techniques, such as posting deliberately incorrect information, by posting inflammatory material, by postings that target specific individuals who are known to be easily distracted, by making unreasonable demands, or by repeating substantively identical postings over a period of time regardless of the changes in the discussion.

The original troll on what was to become the Internet was Rob Pike of Bell Labs, posting as Elizabeth Bimmler on the group net.suicide.

You mean by not agreeing with you, and continuing not to agree with you? That's all I've seen in this thread - disagreements - not trolling.

Given personal flight and teleportation, any analogy between roadside in SL and RL must be only cosmetic. There is clearly no functional analogy and therfore no argument for analogous likelihood of effectiveness as a location for advertising. In some areas, the cosmetic effect of realistic looking advertising may well enhance the local aesthetic. In others it is clearly destructive.

To be scrupulously fair, JubJub has stated that he has taken down his ads, and my limited observations are consistent with this claim. Therfore this should say that he "used to use" them. Whether he still owns most of the plots, I don't know. I know of one that is for sale at a less than extortionate price.

Shamelessly hotlinked from a PA site attempting to ban roadside advertising as blight. Looks a little familiar. Less particles, though.

...and it doesn't surprise me that many Google image hits for the words Roadside Advertising Blight return photos of inworld ad farms.

Photo posted by Marianne McCann:


Not exactly the classiest part of town though, is it?

Neptune Said:


I'd like to disagree with this. I don't think ownership per-se is the problem.

I buy and sell enough of these things to consider myself a "clearing house" for them.

I'll explain my business model for those that care....

I buy these things at the extreme low end of the market and raise the price to L$8/m2. I keep them for a week like that and usually pick up a few more to join to it. Then on Sunday, I have my "Sunday Square Sale" and drop the prices on everything.

This lets me make a small profit all week and also allows residents to get some cheap primland if they don't mind to wait for the Sunday sale.

I used to put my sales sign or a 1 prim box vendor (2mx3m) on some of these plots. (the resale boxs of combat weapons actually sold well enough to pay the tier for the land they sat on.) I don't put my signs or vendors out any more until I hear some news on Jack's plan. I also had plans to put a survey taker or employment kiosks on some of these plots, but I'll have to wait and see I guess.

I've never tried to use extortion as a tactic, but I feel I have a right to use these plots for commercial purposes while I own them. Spinny things and banlines drive me nuts and I don't inflict that on others. Spintards, Bantards, Blingtards, Adtards, and F*tards....I hate them all too. But I feel I should be able to use these small plots for stuff as long as I'm not doing it to simply piss in someones Cornflakes(TM).

On some larger plots I would goof around and set up shooting ranges and what not.....What else are you supposed to do with a 512 plot thats 1 long row of squares. (I once made a motorcycle jump ramp on one long strip but the neighbours complained about all the wrecked bikes in their back yard)

But people do it to themselves too...When I get one of these long strips I try to IM the adjoining land owner and ask them if they would like it cheap to join to their land. More often than not, the landowner replys that it was s/he that cut off the long strip because s/he didn't want to pay tier for it. I try and explain that someone will eventually turn it into a long strip of adfarm....but they don't seem to care.

Yesterday I got a square smack dab in the middle of a 4000m2 plot of abandoned land. What am I supposed to do with that? IM Gov linden to see if she wants to buy it? I planted a tree on it and left puzzled.

I often end up with odd-shaped land and try to cut it into the largest rectangles possible. Now, I know some people believe that land should ONLY be joined, but I find that land is a little easier to sell if its not all odd shaped. Like, if I have a nice sqaure of land, with a piece sticking out the side, I'll cut off the piece and sell it seperate. (it's like trying to sell a house with a pool...no one wants the pool)

Sometimes I get squares that are obviously in the middle of someone's land. I'll IM them and offer the square for L$4/m2 or less. If they don't want it right away for cheap, I tell them to wait till Sunday when it goes on sale.

Not everyone can work this business model. The tools I've developed that buys/sells/manages my land is what makes it possible to deal with so many small plots. I'm not smarter than anyone else (all the acid I took as a teen made sure of that) but I did take the time to train my skills and learn the languages needed to participate at this level.

So, I really don't have much else to say except that I'm probably one of those edge cases. I guess I'll just have to wait like everyone else for some news and adjust my business model as needed.

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Trolling is a little broader. It's essentially this: purposely trying to annoy people or mess with their heads. This can take numerous forms, including endless arguments for the sake of arguing. It's not limited to the Internet either, of course.

Oh no! Guess who will start setting up telegraph poles now!

Yes, but what happens here is that both sides endlessly argue, because both sides believe they are right. Which side is trolling? None of them, imo. I don't believe anybody in this thread has been trolling. What I do think is that one or two used the word against the other side as a mild insult because they were in continual disagreement.

Nope. Now this makes me wonder: did all these ads cause the neighborhood to go downhill, or vice versa? Certainly in SL we've seen ad farms contribute to regions emptying out.



The next ad farm problem "Lose weight - ask me how!" ads touting Herbalife.

No. I mean what I wrote. I mean precisely what I wrote, and no more than what I wrote.

Now I realize that it's easy to read more into what someone writes that they intended, so I'm not going to go into a long rant about this, even though it does kind of bug me when someone does it over and over again... even in response to a message where I've explicitly brought up the distinction between what I wrote and what they're claiming I wrote.

But that doesn't mean they're a troll, no, it may just mean that they're not paying attention.

I'm also not the guy who claimed Jubjub was a troll. I suspect that he might be getting a certain malicious pleasure out of the way people are going off crook at him, but it's certainly possible that he's dead serious. Unfortunate, to be sure, but entirely possible.

I just pointed out that the claim (which I'm taking at face value) that he does (or did, for all I know he sold any he had last week) have 300 adfarm lots is not, by itself, proof that he's not a troll.

As evidence of THAT I can just point to the undeniable trolling by self-avowed adfarmers in the previous thread. I could just see them giggling every time one posted an article about communists certain that someone would rise to the bait.

Those signs on phone poles are illegal but not actively policed in an awful lot of places. In Houston, surprisingly (given the lack of zoming), you actually see official (or official-looking) trucks going around cutting them down and carting them off. In SL, doing the equivalent of cleaning up bandit signs like that can get you ARed. Ironic, that.

We have had telegraph poles running across our land, as part of the "redneck chic" style of the coonspiracy, for a couple of years now. We've occasionally had signs posted on them by group members. If someone wanted to pay us a modest rent (say L$10 a week) for a few appropriately scaled "telegraph pole" ads, we'd probably go for it.

And, you know, if the adfarmers made that kind of effort to fit into a sim's theme, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Not entirely coincidentally, I have power lines--I think I bought them from Argent, actually--that I set up to zap "power" particles to a hovering adtower on one end and the ubiquitous purple casino crystals at the other. Power source is a cluster of grunged arcade games in the middle. Just a little symbolism for the benefit of the rare traveler on that road.

God, I can't wait for that all to be obsolete.

We're on what page 83 and still nobody agrees what is acceptable. There was no need for a new policy, it's all already covered.

If I can't use my hipporent boxes on mainland I'm going to be pissed off.