Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! Stop useless AR's, protect residants and ad guys alike.

I'm in Houston. We've been seeing some interesting "free market" prices in the wake of Ike: four figures for a gallon of gas, where there was room on the sign. Then the mayor broadcast a number to call if you saw price gouging and they went down to "only" $4.00 to $5.00 per gallon.

Why?

I see three ways forward:

1. AR it anyway, and let Linden Labs sort it out.

2. Set up a clearinghouse where people can post locations of ads, and if they're the 51st location for some adfarmer, then give them a useful boilerplate for their AR. That would be more efficient for Linen Labs.

3. Have an "adhunter HUD" that does it automatically for you. Just pop onto the parcel and click it and it scans for the ad, submits the owner of the ad prim, parcel, and location.

Linden roads are wonderful. I wish there were more. I'm not really sure what that has to do with what I posted... except that ban-lines next to linden roads are even worse than ban lines in more remote areas. You can't avoid hitting them and they are a nuisance. I'm also confused about why you are referencing a JIRA about sky boxes.

I think if you put ban lines up, you should have to see them. In fact after I got my first land there were several people, newchums alike, who had no idea that they'd even put up ban lines or what they looked like...

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2935

They are pingbacks. They can be turned off by the blog owner. What happens is someone else writes about the issue, they rightly reference the original article (which is common courtesy) and then a link to their blog appears on the main blog.

It's not the fault of the people who linked to the article in the main blog.

I was agreeing with you and providing a supporting example.


The Jira is to give people who currently have ban lines on the ground the option of having them around their skyboxes (which is where most of them really want them and many of them think they're putting them, because they can't see the ban lines they're putting up and don't know there's a hight limit) instead. It would significantly reduce the amount of ground level ban lines.

Oh ok! That makes sense.

That happened, accidentally, once. It made flying across the mainland impossible.

Those should be AR-able.

SL is a service offered by LL, take it or leave it.
I spoke my mind and are happy with what LL decided about size colors, light, noise etc. for advertisements.
I have a few more wishes:
Land for sale should not have "For Sale" signs on it in any form, there are so fine tools for advertising land sale, that signs can only be for exploit purposes.
Extreme Terra forming on minor plots should be considered exploitation.
The same goes for ban lines on small plots and ban lines on land for sale any time!

I'm not reading the affiliate issue that way at all, affiliate ads aren't for microparcels, they're to be contained within larger parcels. Affiliate ads are not suitable for microparcels in any way, shape or form.



Disagree entirely with this notion of banning all outdoor advertising. Plenty of people have outdoor ads, including plenty who despise ad farms. I have them, I've never received a complaint. They're attached to the walls of buildings in the shopping area, they aren't facing neighbours.

So if all outdoor advertising is banned I turn my shopping area into an indoor one, which means a higher build that damages the view and skyline of my neighbours in a much more brutal fashion than the adverts inside my mall.

The SL Shakespears advertise their performances outside their theatre, I doubt anyone objects to their outdoor advert.

Interesting:


Now THAT is an encouraging sign.

I don't see the point of for sale signs... ever. When I am looking for land I don't fly around looking for signs. I look at the map. I suppose some people might do that though. In that case I would say, in order for a sign to be big enough and attention-grabbing enough to do it's job, it would have to be big enough and ugly enough to annoy the neighbors.

For sale signs attract the attention of those who aren't actively looking but realise that the parcel next to their current one would be a nice little expansion. Those actively seeking land don't use them, but they are useful in certain circumstances. There is no need for them to be spinning in the air, or large.

Put them flat against the ground, no more than 15 square meters in area (so they cant hide a donut hole).
And the downside of this is what?

I have read almost all post in the old thread and most on this (I always skip personal attacks on both sides as default). Here is my opnion;

- The smiles and lolcats:
Any land owner pays a increasing tier so if he own a big plot or many small he still have to pay for it montly. To pay this costs the bad guy or extortionist place advertisement to pay for his/her extortion, most of this are payed by XXX ads and gambling ads because it is what revert on money.

No same real store pays for 16 sqm because it does no efectivelly sell the product. To mantain smiles and lolcats will cost money to then and it what will realy hurt the extortionist. He is here to get money not to loose.

The only hole in the theory is the free 512 sqm it gets for free, so the extrotionist will make many different acounts to not have to pay tier, and divide it. so I sugest the following:

1) The first free 512 sqm plot (no tier), can't be used to adv in TOS. To make a adv the owner must own above 512 sqm plots (means pay tier). The free 512 plots exist to newcomers to make their humbly first abode, not to promote adv.

2) In the event it is possible technically, the owners of land below 512 may not subdived land. Only owners that pay a tier may be able to subdivide.

Using this two simple sugestions, will kill the attacker hole used by extortionists. If he have to pay a montly fee, the extortion will be useless, because they will place money montly to keep his tatics, and he will not want to do it, The people being extortioned will just have to do not accept it for a time and the extortionis will have to desist prior to have no reserves.

3) Multiple 16 sqm with lolcats and smiles are no art, simple as that. so must be considered a way to circunvent TOS.

Correct.

The purpose of a build is irrelevant to anyone except the owner.

The purpose of a build is irrelevant to anyone except the owner.

Don't we just wish.

You can use your land for its purpose - *on your own land*. What you can't have is any part of someone else's land - not even line of sight across it.

Moin Jack of all trades,



what about texture trashing. This is mainly a problem for people with 128mb graphic cards and on laptops. But there are several ads who are replacing their textures faster than I can view them. In result they are mostly gray, and other textures become lower resolution or also gray. I mainly think about a big Christian sign, telling me to go to hell, every time when I login with my shuttle or eeepc in Apoda.



I don't sell parcels, but there is a for sale sign next to my parcel, that is not destroying landscape, because its flat on the ground of a 512sqm parcel. Imho for sale signs should be allowed, if they conform to the rules (no rotating, flashing, particles, glow, texture trashing), and if they are nowhere higher than their distance to next parcel boarder. So a typical 512sqm parcel could have an 8m height sign of 16m length across the parcel.

This distance to parcel boarder for max height would also be good rule for all ads that are directed to the outside of the parcel, so a 16sqm parcel might have an 1x1x1.5m box on it, not more. Ads directed to the inside of the parcel should not be affected.

ciao,Kephra

You mean "an alleged legitimate form of business".
What's the problem with any of this? If you're doing business in an area and it is making your neighbors that angry, you need to reconsider whether you should be doing business in that area.

Also, if you believe rendering the land useless is a problem that Linden Labs needs to address, why did you choose a business model based on rendering other people's land useless?

A couple of thoughts after reading through this thread.

- On blocking advertisements:

If you're an advertiser and you buy land that can be blocked by other residents and you expect to use this land for advertising, then you're doing it wrong and you should probably consider getting out of the business. If you're an advertiser, then you should be buying land that can't be blocked, not asking Linden Lab to step in to protect the easily blocked donut hole you purchased in the middle of another resident's land. In most cases, this means buying land along roads or next to protected land, and in other cases it means buying enough land around the ad to make blocking impractical or impossible.

- On land transactions:

It's obvious that extortionists rely on certain tricks and techniques to take advantage of the ignorance of other residents, especially newer residents. Linden Lab should seriously consider some kind of easy-to-use tutorial or reference which would include possible scams (such as donut holes, edge cuts, etc.) and their implications. Ideally, this would be integrated into the land transaction process itself, with residents being unable to finish a transaction until they've gone through it. This won't eliminate extortion completely, but it will help to starve its practitioners.

Thanks for your time,
Liandra

Doesn't work. Even on level ground the "repulsion zone" pushed you down into the ban lines. I've even tried hacking my Cyberflight script (the one I wrote for Flight Feather) to keep that from happening without having other problems, and it's a pain in the butt. Maybe after I finish cleaning up after the hurricane I'll have another look at it, but in the meantime I think my JIRA proposal to let people flip their ban zone up into a "skybox zone" and leave the ground level open would be more practical.
If your ban lines only prevented people from climbing over the roof of your house, climbing over your back fence, and so on, that wouldn't be a problem. But they don't, they blow up cars and planes and boats that were never even intending to enter your property, and often were trying scrupulously to stay on public land.

Ban lines should be invisible and go all the way up then they wouldn't be so much of a visual problem and might actually do what they were intended to, the real nuisance is those orbs that bounce you off your own land because they are nearly always set badly.
Because they have a radius they nearly always go into the parcel next door.

Certainly neither orbs or ban lines should be allowed on small parcels.

Spot on. If you want an advert on a 16M parcel then you should own the surrounding parcels, even if they're all 16M too, to protect your advert, otherwise you have no real room for complaint.

If that still means it's blocked from view, then the advert is in the wrong place.

if adfarmers want the view, they can buy it just like anyone else.
as far as i am concerned i have no obligation whatsoever to ensure your ads are visible to people on my parcel.