Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

No Anne, I think you're the one who needs to stop. Jubjub has made a very valid point. You have simply decided to treat him as less of a human because he runs businesses in SL. I've had just as many "home builders" throw up ugly, prefab crap they got for free, then start complaining and whining about other home builders. You alway have something to complain about. If it wasn't ads it would be the style of home or the types of trees and flowers.

The fact is Jubjub is CORRECT, advertising is 100% legal in SL. The majority of legitimate advertisers don't want to put an ad next to your home. But just like RL the SL real estate market is "Caveat Emptor" ie "Buyer Beware". LOOK before you buy a lot. Just because you made a noob mistake and bought the first cheap lot you saw. Did you ever wonder why it was so cheap? Seriously. Don't blame your poor choice of land on people who where there before you came.

I made the same mistakes but I didn't blame the system and every legal SL resident around me. I simply worked within the system to improve the situation, and I was patient.
What I didn't do is organize a vigilante group to find ways to get around the TOS to punish people who are doing completely legal things that you just don't like.

Now I'm with you on extortion and all that bad stuff, but you lose me when you go off on legitimate SL business people doing things that are 100% legal and allowed by LL. You may not like it, but in some cases it's YOU who are in the wrong, NOT the advertiser.

The land is for sale so of course it is. Why wouldn't it be?

(now redundant)

So the ad farmers want the residents to be forced to view their advertisements. Perhaps the Lab should just go along and make a border frame around the viewer display area for the advertisements. Like the television in Idiocracy. That movie reminded me of the Secondlife mainland.

As long as the parcel is 512 sqm or larger. IMO

Of course, now you *know* we want to see what he said even more.

Thats not what i said and not at all my point.. Ads are allowed - get over it. And you bought in an uncovenanted sim. Business and housing allowed side by side. Expect that signage is going to be there.

I can prove that there is money in ads..in fact the an ad drew considerable traffic and raised turnover by over 160% even at half price

Compared to a good reputation?

Not sure about other people, but when I see a place that uses extortion ads like these I specifically do *not* buy from them, even if going to their competition costs me more/

Shimada

I think you can blame the system and so can every other user.

Does a new user get told how to search out small plots in the middle of a plot before they buy one?

No

Does a new user think Oh this is a virtual world with people holding small plots that might be in the land I am about to buy?

I would think it is highly unlikely

So people make mistakes and the extortion plot market relies on this to operate.

The real issue is extortion is a crime and should not be tolerated by Linden Labs it needs to be stopped, Advertising is only effective in areas of high traffic and then only if targeted at the audience directly.
Failure to choose desirable location, suggests either at best little understanding of this basic concept or at worst the desire to harass with the advert.

Please as you seem to be a sincere businessman, show some of the others why placement of advertising is important and how if done with a little thought the problems of blocking etc. should not be a huge problem.

I have similar situations and depending on who owns the parcel it could go a few ways. That's the first thing you want to look for. If it's Governor Linden, jump for joy because it's abandoned and a quick ticket and phone call to concierge will get you those lots for 1$L per sqm.

If it's someone reasonable like Jubjub or Gnusense, and you ask, instead of flying off the handle like some here, you'll have the option of trading them for another 16M in the same sim. This isn't as hard as you'd think or as expensive.

If however, it's some group with no description, owned by someone with a brand new, blank profile, then you could have problems. As soon as you inquire, a 9999$L price tag could appear, and red "NO ENTRY" lines could appear. If this happens, don't panic, don't hurl insults. Take a deep breath and calmly file an abuse report for harassment, follow it up with a ticket, and report it every day. These are the hardest to get rid of, but after October 1st, a simple phone call should remedy this. The land will be reclaimed and sold to you for 1$L per sqm. At least it should if you surround the parcels.

Millions? Blatent exaggeration... upwards of 60,000 on at a time yet only a few care enough to post here
Histronics... more exaggeration
Evil residents? your words, i have never said that.
Your suggestion to remove curtains? well any Sl resident can put em up.
I dont block views... i am only allowed an 8 m high ad at ground level (and have none out). But yet can point to a 32 m high ad used for the sole purpose of surrounding land that hasn't been removed despite AR.
I am not one against millions - more exaggeration.
Ann..while i can see you're very motivated as to your view that i should be removed from SL and it's forums (despite not sending back my buddha i gifted you some time ago) ...just as you are allowed your view.. so am i allowed to ask questions to get clarity on this policy. Is that not fair?

Believe me, it really was not anything essential, just a reference to a post which was made which was deleted.

Talking to, or about, folk such as JubJub or Shimasa is really only going to result in this thread going the same way as the previous one.

Yes advertising is allowed but it isn't going to draw considerable traffic if it is placed in a low traffic private area is it?

Business and houses are allowed side by side but putting a advert between to houses isn't going to be a sensible move.

If a business or an advert is beside a house then a wall or line of trees are going to appear more than likely.
Sometimes the advertiser might get lucky but surely its better to plan before choosing the placement for an advert.


Jack

Please answer Jub Jubs question for him before the thread becomes pointless again.

Possibly there should be set areas where advertising is going to be allowed only, like say roadsides for instance as this seems like an area where further problems will arise.
Although I know some people don't like the roadside idea and can accept that.

Need I say more!
But anyway corrections happen on their own, they are not forced the market decides. Yes rates are stabilized to regulate the economy (to control inflation recession or worse)the land supply and prices arent. In this case LL does have some control over the land prices by printing land like the fed prints money. But eventually new users must be brought into the market to buy up supply. In RL people utilize US currency as safe have, LL does not have that luxury. Either way its not full proof the market has the final say!

If they decided to do some policy making to increase prices they may consider stopping all future land cuts on the present ML below a certain sqm. Why dont they? Ask them! Maybe they like land cuts, more cut up land equals more reason to buy new land they create. But as I said you should ask them.

BTW Dont even challenge me in this realm not only have have I charted and LOOKED at graphs. Ive developed market indicators to compare markets decades apart on a college thesis. Unless your one of those Wharton graduates cause theyd kick my a$# in the Econ Fair, then i would concede LOL! Enough said!

What specifically is extortion about an ad? i am aware that some use pseudo ads to extort...that is clearly going to be banned.
However ads are not banned - so the lindens obviously do not see them as extortion. It is a users choice to click on them or not.

and to answer Esther.. i will be sticking to roadside from now on anyways..see i can take valid suggestions on board.

Tell you what Robo, IM me sometime when you have made a $2,000 investment on the stock exchange (no, not with play money and toy markets, USD on NASDAQ) and grow it to $40,000. People who know about economics and how to run a business are trying to give you some worthwhile advice. Please listen.

Jack

This is such a huge problem, We have a similar problem with some of our land, the prices are ridiculous on some of these plots one 16sqm for 9999L in our area.

Can I suggest again that the number of small plots allowed is set at the same number of individual adverts allowed as this would push adfarmers into selling or rejoining many of the plots they hold onto for no other reason than to extort.

We have very low traffic on our land as it is just our own private area to relax in although any user is allowed to visit without restriction, so the only justification for the price of this 16sqm plot is the potential we want it badly enough to pay that price.

That's Shimada, and if you actually READ the last thread, instead of just posting insults and hyperbole, you'd know that I am a responsible SL businessman and not an ad farmer. But apparently you decide the "mob mentality", self appointed shouter down of anyone who doesn't agree with with you or your very narrow perspective of SL.

If you read that thread you'd know that I put forth a lot of positive feedback and if you paid attention instead of pointing fingers you'd realize that I have just reclaimed an ad farm and turned it into a public park.

What have you done except criticize? FYI, Blocker walls are just as hideous and obnoxious as rotating banner ads. You don't consider your other neighbors when you go on these little ad griefer crusades do you? After cleaning up one war zone, I can tell you that you're just as bad as the ad farmers, worse in some respects.

YAY!! Ad Farmers Die part 2

I do hope no one here seriously takes that statement as a death threat ahahahaahahah. ROFLOL

But I do hope LL makes it very very very hard for scumbag residents to run around splitting up land into 16 meter lots putting up advertising and then posting these lots for sale at OUTRAGEOUS prices ... every one has already left the mainland for the most part I to am leaving... too bad I am getting 10Cents on the Linden dollar for my mainland

Die Ad framers !!! simply means the end of a very unpleasant chapter in the metaverse of SL where a small amount of residents abused, manipulated and extorted the rest of the population

Then LL was going to join in on it and licence it and the residents STOOD UP to be heard

We will not go quietly into the night
We will not allow ad farmers to make our land worthless
We will not pay LL for crappie service

They seem to be listening only time will tell but all of my main land is for sale cheap

I hope you are right on this one Shimada

This will be the test of Linden intent for me.

There is no need for "For Sale" signs AT ALL.
When somebody wants to buy land, that somebody just turn on "View Land Owners" in the viewer and all land for sale will be painted yellow.
That is easier and more straight forward than any sign Signs are ridiculous for this.
I never had trouble finding land for sale and I never had any use for signs to do it.

Jes worth quoting. Let's keep to the topic and avoid the personal attacks. Much easier that way, anyway.

If this isn't a watered down policy, why are the ad farmers dancing with glee?

What will the surrounding land owners rights be?

If the ads who piggyback on traffic can blend in with what the surroundings are and work with neighbors, there is no need for panels. But 8m can be a really tall sign if the surroundings aren't.

Thank you Jub Jub

Yes but this is hard for a new user.
Personally I don't like to fly around looking for land with the entire landscape coloured in.

A discrete for sale sign is not really a problem on reasonable sized plots, it only becomes a problem on small plots.