Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

It is 1 ad per advertiser per region. So, if you have 100 advertisers, you can have 100 ads in a region. Yeah, this is going to work out well *rolls eyes*

I thought this was about managing the mainland and preventing hideous advertising coupled to extortion..

So forgive me for asking, but isnt this not only equally an attempt to harass, but also poor business practices? Wasting your 50 lot cap on being pig headed where others have openly shown you are not wanted, instead of moving to more welcome areas that would receive more traffic & generate revenue. More clicks for your Linden instead of zero clicks for the satisfaction of being plain stubborn (and mean, imho).

Not to mention putting your business(es) in a bad light by openly stating your reasons for not selling those lots. If a business in my town used such tactics against their community, those who were aware of it would never give them their money and rightfully so. Companies like that generally end up closing or moving.

Business 101 teaches you that. If you really want to bring in customers and generate positive, (not to mention FREE) publicity you would offer those lots to the neighbors at a small fee. You look like the good guy & generous businessman. There is no better advertising than that.


i am very new to Sl, but eager to learn about this incredible community. So i read the forums as it seems to be where everyone comes together to communicate about issues and happenings.

i dont own land (I hope to soon, though!) yet but my sister does and i have heard her talk about ad problems. So i have been keeping up with these 2 threads and see the same comments over and over by each side.


To people on the outside looking in, advertisers are looking bad to everyone and i see why now. It looks like it comes down to lack of respect by the advertisers to work with neighbours (in an effort to make $$) and alot of 'i can do it because TOS says so/there is no covenant'.

So like in RL when a community has had enough, they rise up and fight back. Who is right? The ones just wanting peace and quiet or the ones demanding its their right to come in and put ads where clearly the already existing residents do not want them?

i guess this has been going on for a long time which is sad. Money makes people do very unethical things.

i think if you move to an ad filled location that's one thing. But this business of advertisers coming in and throwing up signs that obviously disrupt the harmony and aesthetics of the area is bullying of the worst kind. Big business vs the little people. The people who spend a great deal of their SL time on their land vs the ad person who is there just long enough to place his ads.

i wish you and the others a clearer mind in the future so that you can build a more harmonious relationship with the residents of SL. There is enough hate & bullying in RL why drag it into SL too.

good luck to you all. i hope it can all be worked out.

Sorry my first forum post is so long.

Jack this is bad if so, as any land seller puts out signs to clearly identify their plots.
Yes the big red ones are ugly and a nuisance, but most are ground based and often with the amount of land on the market it is common to see 10 or more from one land seller in a sim.

No offence Starfire but i see three things wrong with your statement.
1/ Those who buy land surrounding an ad are clearly aware the ad is there already - then they block it...i consider that harassment of an existing land owner. If i surrounded your land and then blocked it in to 40 metre heights you would consider it harassment too.
2/ Unless you are an advertiser - you cannot say what they would pick. Any area with high traffic is a legitimate area for an ad. I want as many people as possible to see ads.
3/ If an owner of an adjoining parcel buys the land AFTER the advertiser - he has already chosen to live with the ad. AND he doesn't have the right to decide what everyone else who passes by sees.

Ads get clicks and proveable results - therefore some people do appreciate them. No one person (or group of conspirators) should have the right to decide a valid, endorsed business practice should be hidden from others.

Where this happens - i wish to know if anything will be done by the Lindens

Congratulations. You having won the Nigerian lottery...

Dear Lindens
I propose that anyone who threatens another with death, or abuses another with names like Pr**ks, or accusations of criminality ... be banned from commenting on this forum.
It is obvious they are incapable of making intelligent input or discussion.

I doubt if this is the intent, but I'm also not sure that preserving such signs is really all that critically important. I doubt that more than a tiny percentage of sales are generated by those signs--and most of the sellers could easily boost that tenfold by just politely informing abutters that there's adjacent land for sale, perhaps with a logo-bearing landmark. (Would that be considered spam? I would hope not, because I'd really *like* to get such a notice when land comes up for sale next to mine. As a potential buyer, I'd certainly prefer that to the constant presence of even the most tasteful For Sale sign--not that I find them really troublesome.)

So, for smart land sellers, I think they shouldn't be too concerned about not being able to set their signs, if that's how it works out. I do agree, though, that this probably wasn't the intent of the policy terms.

Oh my goodness... do you actually believe all that you are spewing? If so, I have an email for you...

It is 1 ad per advertiser per region. So, if you have 100 advertisers, you can have 100 ads in a region. Yeah, this is going to work out well *rolls eyes*

Another user is already asking about whether they can be blocked by walls or not.

Land for sale signs, according to Jack's post, are covered under this policy the same as ads, 1 per sim per person/group.

That won't work at all. If I have more then one plot for sale in a sim, I'll put more than 1 for sale sign up. If LL acts according to the spirit of what they are trying to do, then it won't be a problem.

That won't work at all. If I have more than 1 plot for sale in a sim, I'll put more than 1 for sale sign up. If LL acts according to the spirit of what they are trying to do, then it won't be a problem.

As Ive said banlines are far more an irritant than ads are. Naturally some people wont want the subject to be brought under the spotlight but if I can get a seperate thread initiated thats fine - although this section is the mainland discussion and I see my comments as totally relevant to the discussion.

What isn't clear to me, and forgive me if someone else already touched on this - We have a restriction of no more than 50 locations per individual, and no more than one location in a specific region.

These restrictions alone do not seem to safeguard a region from being saturated with spam. They just prevent one individual from doing it.

Yet this is the very situation Coco, with all due respect the written permission does exactly that, some who are in the favour with the Lindens will be able to have more plots than those who are not in favour with the Lindens.

There is no "One rule", it's "One rule for you" and "Another rule for him/her".

There's also the issue that the ad farmers were looking at ways to get out of Dodge and have now been handed a lifeline.

However we'll see how it goes, but this really is a retreat and it's a big retreat.

This goes back to why do you even need a 'for sale' sign? I have sold land quite readily using the 'land sale' search and if I want to look in a specific area I just call up the map and look for yellow squares. People hardly fly around at random looking for land to buy (then waiting for everything in their area to rez).

I am not being stubborn. If you can give a good justification why they should not be treated as any other ad please enlighten us.

Yes on occasions these will be collocated with three or four adverts occurring in one sim but I think we will see the end to the level of advertising we now experience and more to the point the type of advertising we now experience

If I don't want to see an ad that faces my land I'll put something up to block it. I don't see a problem there.

I agree Phil but, we all know, from past experience, that the G-Team rarely looks at the "spirit" of the law and acts on the letter of the law. And I have no reason to believe Concierge will act any different.

As they say in Missouri, Show Me.

What isn't clear to me, and forgive me if someone else already touched on this - We have a restriction of no more than 50 locations per individual, and no more than one location in a specific region.

These restrictions alone do not seem to safeguard a region from being saturated with spam. They just prevent one individual from doing it.

What isn't clear to me, and forgive me if someone else already touched on this - We have a restriction of no more than 50 locations per individual, and no more than one location in a specific region.

These restrictions alone do not seem to safeguard a region from being saturated with spam. They just prevent one individual from doing it.

Q. What are you doing about other forms of land extortion and harassment?
A. This concerns us very much, and we’ll be doing all we can to remove this behaviour. Deliberately misleading other residents, for example with doughnut shaped parcels, is unacceptable. You can expect that any practices that negatively impact the Mainland will be looked at, and where possible stopped.

If you are engaged in something that clearly has a negative and widespread impact on the Mainland experience, we will request that you stop.

Not sure if you've read back through the thread, Phil; if not: The problem is that adfarmers have been successfully using ARs against neighbors who erect phantom, inside-alpha screens around ads, claiming a fantastical right to "visual access" to their parcels. This just started happening a few weeks before the blog announcement, so it's as if whoever was addressing those ARs were under orders to do the adfarmers' bidding.